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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 07:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camelia Voin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Non notable. Still a (doctoral) student. She is obviously talented and may well become notable in the future, but apparently not notable yet. We have a list of roles and a statement that "She performs both in the US and Europe, as soloist in opera as well as in oratorio." but no engagements with professional companies are identified. Sources are local media reviews that probably don't imply notability. Maybe in a couple of years she will have made it and we can have an article? Kleinzach 06:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been notified to WikiProject Opera - Voceditenore (talk) 07:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I don't have much time to search right now but I did find this article [1] which lists her as the winner of several notable competitions and gives performing credits for such prestegious houses as La Scala.Nrswanson (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The source 'www.inlandempire.us' claims "She has performed with opera houses such as Teatro Gayarre in Spain, Teatro alla Scala in Milan . . . ." but this isn't confirmed anywhere else. I've investigated and so far I've been unable to get any solid information. The competitions are of course student competitions . . . --Kleinzach 23:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Actually she has won three professional competitions. The NATS competition, Palm Beach Opera competition and the Barry Alexander International Vocal Competition were all professional competitions. Although some of those competitions also have student categories, she's too old to have entered in those areas as a student (look at the age caps for them). She would have had to have won them on the professional level. The article also indicates that she was in the professional level for those competitions. The fact that she won the international NATS competition alone should be notable enough. However, I do think we need more sources for confirmation. If we can't find anything more concrete than I will switch to a weak delete.Nrswanson (talk) 00:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm currently inclined to delete unless something major pops up, like proof that Ms. Voin actually won First Prize in the NATS contest. She is at the bottom of the list of the 17 "winners" of the 2003 Palm Beach Opera Competition here, but winners can include those who also won some kind of minor scholarship or prize. She certainly isn't in their list of the top finalists here. The Barry Alexander competition is so far not a notable competition. It's only run for one year and has very little coverage. Winners are selected solely via submitted recordings.[2] There were 5 "first prize" winners listed in the professional category (including Ms. Voin) and 5 "second prize" winners [3] but no indication of how many actually competed overall. She was amongst the finalists at the 1998 Julian Gayarre Competition in Pamplona, but did not win either first or second prize.[4]. The theatres listed where she has performed are vague. She could have sung there in the chorus, or (as in the Teatro Gayarre) in a finalists' concert. If she had actually performed a leading role in a full opera in any of those theatres, I'm pretty sure the article (and her CV) would have specified the role and the date. There is definitely not enough significant coverage of her, apart from very local one. The Loma Linda Lyric Symphony is a community orchestra and her performances with them are often free concerts (with a "suggested donation") in churches etc. e.g.[5], [6]. Other local performances in operas are not with a full orchestra or a professional company, and are sometimes in abridged concert versions e.g. [7], [8], [9]. Like Kleinzach, I think she is obviously talented and may well become notable in the future, but she isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia article yet. Voceditenore (talk) 09:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete Changed my vote per Voceditenore.Nrswanson (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: insufficient 3rd party sources WP:MUSICBIO. JamesBurns (talk) 07:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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