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The result was redirect to Flemish American Football League. Unfortunately, I can't find enough material to evidence this team's notability, but outright deletion isn't necessary when a redirect is possible. If they garner attention in the future, an independent article can be re-created. m.o.p 03:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bornem Titans

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Contested prod. Fails WP:N, hasn't receieved significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. Even het Nieuwsblad, which devotes lots of attention to even minor sports in Flanders, has only mentioned the team twice in passing and never devoted significant attention to it[1]. This is an amateur team for a sport with very limited popularity in Belgium. Looking through Google[2] reveals no other good sources. Fram (talk) 12:21, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Titans are a member of the Belgium Football League, the highest level American style football league in the country. The Chicago Bandits don't get a lot of coverage, because the Chicago Bears, Chicago Bulls, and Chicago Cubs are more popular sports. This team participates at a national level, therefore they should be kept. --Tbennert (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Same argumant as Tbennert. Also, because the sport doesn't get a lot of media attention it does not have a lot of sponsors, the sport in belgian is fully based on volunteer work. So keeping a website online just for historic results is expensive. I volunteered to put al records on wikipedia with as much references to newspaper articles, etc, to make it reliable material on wikipedia. Giving the people information and knowledge through wikipedia is what wikipedia is all about, not just the popular sports but all sports. Arkangel lucifer (talk) 20:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a "free web hosting server" and if this is indeed original research by policy it must be deleted.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: the second keep opinion canvassed the first keep opinion: [3]. Fram (talk) 20:12, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Sorry, but the sources in the article are the league itself. We need someething independent. If independent reliable sources are found, I'll change my position.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.football-aktuell.de this is an independent source, German site about american football in europa, no way connected to the belgian league. also they got some media coverage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBtuG9yIPmg Arkangel lucifer (talk) 08:53, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also the sport is recognised by the government: http://www.topsportvlaanderen.be Arkangel lucifer (talk) 08:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube, I'm afraid, doesn't count as it is notoriously unreliable. The other sources are in a language that I do not comprehend, which makes it difficult for use in an English-language encyclopedia (not sure if there is a policy on this or not). However, the article could well be a candidate for one of the other language projects.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources may be in any language, that doesn't make any difference. But that a sport federation is recognised by the government doesn't make any of the teams more notable, and that a specialist website sometimes has attention for it doesn't help either, and I couldn't find any articles that were really about the Titans there either (a few articles mentioning them when reveiwing the competition, that seems to be it). Fram (talk) 06:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

keep As Secretary/Board member of the Bornem Titans club and board member of Flemisch and Belgian League, I would like to support this page. Allthough You are right that A.Football is not that wide spread in Belgium, it still is an international recognized sport. Therefore there should be at least be the posibility to create the necessary info on Wiki about the teams in First dvivision. There are 2 regional competitions (Flemisch and Wallonian) and the highest ranked teams go into Belgian Playoffs and Belgian Bowl final. The Bornem Titans were 2 out of the 3 last years in the playoffs so not the smallest team in the league too. For closure I would like to point out that it is this kind of information (independant Wikipedia) wich is very important for our sport to get that growth and wider support. Thank you for your understanding. Please do not hesitate to contact me (info@bornem-titans.be) for any official information about American Football in Belgium. HansDeLeenheer (talk) 04:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Krakatoa Katie 22:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Flemish American Football League. I don't see how an independent article can be supported, but a redirect the conference in which it plays is appropriate. -- Whpq (talk) 16:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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