The result was keep. Regardless of whether the nomination has been withdrawn/extant keep vote, there is a consensus to keep Star Mississippi 02:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:RS, mentions in sources are in passing or are from it's own website. Was unable to find anything sources that independently cover this website. Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 04:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Bloody Elbow is one of the most famous and most visited MMA websites in the world. It's verified on twitter and Facebook and has hundreds of thousands of followers across those platforms. I write for this site and am struggling to see why this article would be recommended for deletion when similar site MMA Fighting (which is also owned by Vox Media) has a Wikipedia page. This is my first time attempting to post something o Wikipedia, so please forgive my lack of skill and knowledge in this process. But Bloody Elbow is extremely well known within the MMA media world and is at the forefront of reporting when it comes tonissues like anti-labor practices in MMA and the intersections between combat sports and politics/crime/conflicts. If I need to put more sources in there, I will, but I really feel as though the current links show thay this site is notable (our work being featured on HBO's Real Sports feels like undeniable proof of this). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:3C01:FA00:AD5B:D5F9:436D:1AB6 (talk) 05:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much for getting back to me and providing this advice. I must admit making a page is quite intimidating, so I appreciate the encouragement here. Below are some links which I think demonstrate Bloody Elbow's renown and popularity within the mma website industry (thanks again!):
https://blog.sbnation.com/2010/3/6/1357488/better-know-a-blogger-bloody
https://www.websiteiq.com/top-sites/fighting-mma/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1731394-the-ufc-fans-guide-to-the-internet-the-mma-media-musts
https://martialartsdesigner.com.au/top-martial-arts-websites/
https://mymmanews.com/top-mma-news-sites/
https://aelieve.com/rankings/websites/category/sports/top-mma-sites/
https://feedly.com/i/top/mma-blogs
https://blog.feedspot.com/mma_blogs/
Do you believe these are sufficient? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:3C01:FA00:AD5B:D5F9:436D:1AB6 (talk) 13:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
All of those links are not "self-published blogs/websites". Bleacher Report is owned by Warner Bros. And SB Nation is owned by Vox media. Neither are akin to Tumblr or something without editorial oversight.
Also, I believe you may be discounting the edits on the oage which show the multiple award nominations for the site and their journalists from The World MMA Awards, which is a respected award within the industry.
The recent edits also show that BE's work has been cited by HBO, The New York Times and the Washington Post. I don't think those outlets would do second hand reporting sourcing a non notable media source.
When a NYT writer decided to learn about how to cover MMA, they studied Bloody Elbow. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/insider/reporter-mixed-martial-arts.html
The updates also show that notablenjndivoduals have worked at Bloody Elbow, including pro fighters past and present.
BE's work, within the industry, is known to be unique and important. They are the only site that rigorously covers incidents of domestic violence, anti-labor practices and connections between fighters and criminals (Kinahan) and warlords (Kadyrov) at the expense of gaining access to organizations like the UFC.
BE is also home to Karim Zidan, whose coverage specializes in sportswashing. He has traveled the world to talk to audiences about this practise. He was on a panel with Gary Kasparov at the Oslo Freedom Forum and has also given a talk at Princeton University.
https://oslofreedomforum.com/speakers/karim-zidan/
https://karimzidan.com/the-politics-of-mma-in-russia-a-conversation-with-karim-zidan-at-princeton/
BE is an extremely notable media source in the world of MMA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:3C01:FA00:AD5B:D5F9:436D:1AB6 (talk) 00:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Ok, but what about The New York Times, Washington Post, HBO Real Sports and all the academic papers?
Here's an article from deadspin:
"SB Nation’s combat-sports sites—MMA Fighting, MMA Mania, Cageside Seats, Bloody Elbow, and Bad Left Hook—account for a sizable chunk of total SB Nation traffic, about 15-20 percent over the seven months we analyzed. While staffers at the high-profile blog MMA Fighting, which was acquired by Vox Media in 2011, are full-time, salaried employees like those at SBNation.com, the other combat-sports sites, like the team sites, are staffed mostly by people earning a small monthly stipend. “SB Nation employs three full-time employees and approximately 45-50 paid contributors across Bloody Elbow, Cagesideseats, MMAmania, and Bad Left Hook,” a Vox spokeswoman told me."
https://deadspin.com/leaked-data-show-vast-majority-of-sb-nation-page-views-1803138754
Here is Business Insider citing an original report from BE https://www.businessinsider.com/ufc-fighter-jon-jones-could-get-slapped-with-a-4-year-ban-2018-2
Here is the American Prospect interviewing a BE writer https://prospect.org/power/incredible-fight-trump-and-ultimate-fighting-championship/
Here is the National Center for Domestic and Sexual Violence citing original BE reporting. http://www.ncdsv.org/publications_UFC.html
Reference from Tech Crunch https://techcrunch.com/2013/10/15/sb-nation-partners-with-blogtalkradio/
The Verge citing original reporting https://www.theverge.com/2013/4/9/4204908/martial-arts-champ-responds-to-rape-allegations-with-internet-marketing-trickery
The SBN Lakers site referencing Bloody Elbow's success within the network:
"And, if you only consider blogs which started from scratch (some blogs, like CelticsBlog, existed in another form before transferring to SB Nation), SSR might be the fastest growing blog in SB Nation's history. I asked my boss if anybody had accomplished what we've done faster. It turns out this isn't exactly a known fact, but the only possibility he could think of was Bloody Elbow, which is only one of the foremost Mixed Martial Arts blog on the entire web. As a point of reference, Bloody Elbow had 1.9 million hits last month alone, and we might not have started out as fast as they did."
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/platform/amp/2010/7/10/1563020/silver-screen-and-roll-hits-the
Print publication The Week referencing Bloody Elbow https://www.theweek.co.uk/ufc/100417/conor-mcgregor-retires-how-ufc-mma-fans-reacted-twitter-dana-white
A Bloody Elbow piece featured in the book 'Best Canadian Sportswriting' https://books.google.ca/books?id=y2a1DgAAQBAJ&pg=PT298&lpg=PT298&dq=%22sb+nation%22+%22bloody+elbow%22+-bloodyelbow.com&source=bl&ots=TXhcTrwN0T&sig=ACfU3U0SJnNnNs1WVLtVv3ErXh4S83o8VQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSg-TjquL6AhXKDEQIHc4FBD04KBDoAXoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22sb%20nation%22%20%22bloody%20elbow%22%20-bloodyelbow.com&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:3C01:FA00:AD5B:D5F9:436D:1AB6 (talk) 13:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The importance of those nominations at the World MMA Awards shouldn't be understated, either. It's the major awards show for the sport and is also televised
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020/12/reminder-12th-annual-world-mma-awards-air-tonight-on-cbs-sports-network — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:3C01:FA00:AD5B:D5F9:436D:1AB6 (talk) 13:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting and noting that the nomination has been withdrawn by the AFD nominator.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)