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The result was delete.   -- Lear's Fool 12:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bitfighter[edit]

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Computer game; article fails to establish notability (all but one reference are to the project website). Also nominating Zap! (video game) [1]; the two pages had been alternately redirects to each other in the past. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 09:11, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Marasmusine (talk) 14:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete both - I could not locate any coverage - significant or otherwise - in any reliable sources. Fails verification policy and notability guidelines. I tagged it for maintenance back in February, so it has had it's chance. Marasmusine (talk) 14:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. Found pretty much the most minimal coverage imaginable -- "story" probably doesn't rise above the trivial-mention bar, and the only other RS coverage I found is an even more bare-bones mention from the same source. (Edit: modified to weak delete after seeing additional coverage noted below.) —chaos5023 (talk) 14:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is an ongoing debate. What would it take to get this entry to meet notability guidelines? It was included in Tom's Guide, which is a pretty notable source. It will soon have an official listing in the IANA directory, which is also notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.215.133.22 (talk) 16:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would take significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The Tom's Guide spot is actually pretty decent and may contribute to notability, though we don't have any consensus on whether Tom's Guide is a reliable source as yet (related site Tom's Games was previously discussed and no consensus formed one way or the other). Directory listings don't contribute to notability if they don't provide significant coverage or aren't independent (like if the material in the directory was supplied by first parties), and in any event things that haven't happened yet don't contribute to anything. I'm modifying my opinion to a weak delete considering the Tom's Guide coverage. —chaos5023 (talk) 20:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't so much dispute its reliability; however, the link says little more than that the game exists. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that. It provides enough information to contribute usefully toward an article, which has always seemed like a natural threshold for trivial vs. substantial coverage to me. —chaos5023 (talk) 00:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point about events that haven't happened yet; I just noted that it is something in process that will contribute to the notability when it happens (and I seen written confirmation from IANA that it will happen). That will provide at least two external, reliable, independent sources that should contribute towards notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.215.133.22 (talk) 21:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really clear whether the IANA thing will contribute to notability. Can you link to some current entries in whatever directory it is that you're referring to? —chaos5023 (talk) 00:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Presumedly, this mens that Bitfighter will have an officially sanctioned port number. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 05:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even if we accept Tom's Guide as reliable, it is not significant coverage. At best, we can use it for verification in a broader topic. As for IANA, again, a listing in a directory is unlikely to be significant. For notability, I want to see some nice big fat reviews in magazines, books, or certain websites. Marasmusine (talk) 09:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zap! (computer game). - Mike Rosoft (talk) 18:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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