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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 18:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aggie Moffat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Subject was a tea-lady who made one comment to Graeme Souness which was picked up by the media. Ms Moffat is not individually notable - not close to WP:BIO - and all relevant information is already in the Souness article. Redirected, contested. Deiz talk 09:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 09:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete One very minor argument with a celebrity does not make someone notable. Number 57 09:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Wow. This is one of the most non-notable people I've ever read about--assuming there are degrees of not meriting an article, this subject really really really doesn't merit one. We should archive this somewhere as an example of an article that has no significance whatsoever. Maybe we can start a So What? Award and give this article the 2007 prize hands-down. Even the guy she had the extremely tame "argument" with nearly 20 years ago is a barely notable person. Are sports fans so obliviously obsessed that these footnotes to footnotes read like the stone-chiseled word of God to them? Qworty 10:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I think that 20 years playing professional sport at the highest level possible and another 20 years coaching professional sport at the highest level possible qualify Graeme Souness as a tad more than "barely notable"..... ChrisTheDude 10:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Welp, you've nearly convinced me. Has he had any other cleaning ladies we should write articles about? Qworty 10:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• AfD is a place to offer opinions about articles which have been nominated for deletion. "Delete, completely non-notable" would cover it, so maybe chill out on the diatribes, possible awards for uselessness and sweeping generalisations about sports fans? You could read the Graeme Souness article if you have some time on your hands. Deiz talk 11:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks, but I did read it. It failed to establish notability for his cleaning lady. I think you'll have to agree that this is one of the very thinnest articles to dome down the VfD pike in quite some time. And the highly assiduous manner in which it is cited makes it read almost like a spoof. But in all fairness, I'm sure that the article's author(s) had no intention of satirizing the limitless obsessiveness of (some) sports fans. Qworty 11:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Maybe you'll nail her profession the next time you read it. Hurry now; it looks like it might not have long left. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• If she's not a cleaning woman, why does she care if a soccer coach is a slob? Oh, I see, she's a tea lady. What, she pushes a tea cart through a Scottish locker room? And objects because the place is messy? And European soccer hooligans are consequently enraged over this local "sports" incident? Am I getting close to why she is "notable"? We are truly separated by a common language, my friends, as well as caffeine-delivery systems--a tea cart? Perhaps she'll become notable when she is the last survivor of her dying profession. In any event, I hope not too many people were injured in any riots that might have followed this grave incident. Qworty 18:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I "feel" like I'm in an endless "Jay" Leno "monologue". There must be a door around here somewhere... - Dudesleeper · Talk 18:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don;t know I liked reading this article, and felt like I would like to meet her and shake her hand afterwards. I guess she isn't really notable, but she did make the Independent. Jihad Shaar down below got two newspaper mentions and has people arguing that he is notable because of that. Aggie Moffat got more newspaper mentions, but is not notable because of her profession? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarchia (talk • contribs)

Delete The person that the article is about is not notable. The event is notable and therefore belongs in the article about Graeme Souness. Pedro |  Chat  12:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm not at all convinced the event is notable, though I'm willing to admit that I need my cultural awareness raised a bit in this area. Americans drink beer and watch football; Brits, apparently, drink tea and watch soccer. A man who coaches soccer is a great cultural figure in the British isles and the British aisles. No less significant is the woman who rolls the cart up the aisles to serve him his vitally important national beverage, tea. When these two great cultural icons have a disagreement of any sort, it's like Bush and Putin going at it, and the British media is transfixed. Well, I'm sorry, but the United States is not a democracy on anything near that kind of level. Over here, a football player has to murder two people with a knife and then get away with it before he (and the incident in question) become truly notable. Being admonished on personal cleanliness by the guy who sells the hot dogs just isn't going to, uh, "cut it." Qworty 18:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Nice bit of generalisation there. ;) But I agree the event is not notable. Dave101→talk  19:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Graeme Souness as she's mentioned in that article and it's (barely) a plausible search term. Not notable in her own right per WP:BLP1E. Iain99 13:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Graeme Souness. GiantSnowman 16:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not notable at all. --Malcolmxl5 19:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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