The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. IronGargoyle 00:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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A band stated to have a few hundred fans worldwide, two albums on an unknown label, three references cited of which one is 404, one does not mention them and one is a publisher's blurb in an online catalogue. Reads as original research. Guy (Help!) 13:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I fixed the appeerance of the references. All three worked for me, however, but one loads slowly and another (Punk planet) is printed (as mentioned), but I found a secondary quote for it [1]. Tikiwont 14:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - under 1000 fans, despite being on myspace and forming five years ago. Politicised lyrics in rock are nothing new and not grounds for notability Totnesmartin 14:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the substance of the claim to Notability had nothing to do with any lyrics.--Jeandjinni 14:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Totnesmartin, doesn't your vote here represent something of a double standard, seeing that you created [this] article, which makes scant attempt to present itself as verifiable, and has never been nominated for deletion?--Jeandjinni 16:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - There are three verifiable referecnes and I found them now also featured on the Canadian Public Radio webpage which should raise their claim to notability. As regards the number of fans (of which I am not one), that is actually an unsourced statement (about popularity) and how would that be counted anyway? Tikiwont 14:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That's the number of friends on their myspace. Totnesmartin 15:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Thanks, I cannot see myspace right now, but then it is my impression that WP would not consider such a myspace friend number a determining factor, whether it is high or low. Tikiwont 15:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - failure of WP:BAND; not enough external sources. Walton monarchist89 15:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - doesn't "multiple" include "three"?--Jeandjinni 14:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Punk Planet is a well known music monthly, Georgia Straight is a mainstream entertainment weekly, and Starvox (now defunct) was arguably the most important online review magazine for gothic/deathrock music in the early 00s. Ask anyone who knows anything about the DR scene whether or not the band is notable. The band also contains a former member of Skinny Puppy, as asserted in the article.--Jeandjinni 02:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Totnesmartin and Walton monarchist. -- Scorpion 02:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - the proposal for deletion is based on a misreading of the article (the band has released music on multiple record labels, one of which is a well known DR label based in Germany, not a single "unknown label"), and uses criteria that have nothing to do with Notability (number of fans) to assert non-Notability. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeandjinni (talk • contribs) 02:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
• Comment - I've cleaned up some of the writing and added in five more references. Are eight sources sufficient to satisfy the primary notability criterion (considering other relevant criteria, such as notable cross membership), or what? If not, there are more sources that can be added, but I fear that doing so would make the contestation over this article's notability look rather overwrought, which might reflect unfavourably on its detractors, who are probably well intentioned people that for some reason won't admit that they're wrong about a topic about which they lack basic knowledge. I notice no one's given The Vanity Set or even Jeremy Inkel equivalent scrutiny. Seems that the whole AfD process is rather biased in this case. What gives? Does the mention of socialism freak some of you out?--Jeandjinni 05:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• While I agree on the article to be kept, I also see no evidence of a systematic bias. The nomination and earlier votes, however, are related to an earlier version of the article, so leaving irrelevant comparisons apart, they might be revisited. Tikiwont 18:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.