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The result was merge‎ to Mississippi College Collegians football, 1907–1909. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:11, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1907 Mississippi College Collegians football team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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No notability found for this one game season to meet the WP:NSEASONS. PROD was declined. Let'srun (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football, and Mississippi. Let'srun (talk) 18:56, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This was neither a "season" nor "college football". There was a single game played against a local boarding school. No sources are presented providing coverage of the game. (Also, the Choctaws are even today a lower division team.) Cbl62 (talk) 03:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as non-notable. Suitskvarts (talk) 13:01, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to and create Mississippi College Collegians football, 1907–1910. Mississippi College really didn't have regular-sized schedules (5+ games) until after 1910 - as we have articles on all their early seasons, some type of merger would likely be best, as recommended by WP:NSEASONS. @Cbl62 and Suitskvarts: BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Merger is not something a closer can consider unless the proposed merger target exists, and deletion of a one-sentence sub-stub on a single game against a boarding school is no great loss IMO. Cbl62 (talk) 23:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Cbl, huh? This AfD can mandate the creation of such a proposed merged article. You led the charge for exactly that action just two weeks ago at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1924 Delaware State Hornets football team. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Did you miss the "relisting comment" at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1924 Delaware State Hornets football team? Cbl62 (talk) 00:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I did miss the "relisting comment" from Liz. I see it now. If that's a policy, it's a bad one that should be changed. It put the onus on an editor to create a new target for the merge, which kind of subverts the AfD process. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:48, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  As I understand, that is the current policy. I did create the target article at that AfD, but I have no interest in doing that here, as I don't see the value that would be lost from a simple deletion. WP:OSE is not a good rationale even for a merge, IMO. If you or someone else wants to create it though in case that is the consensus, be my guest. Let'srun (talk) 01:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  In addition, NSEASONS says that "In cases in which the individual season notability is insufficient for an article, multiple seasons may be grouped together in a single article. This grouping might be based on head coaches, conference affiliation, or any other reasonable standard that results in sufficient coverage for the period to warrant an article." However, that doesn't mean that the topic is exempt from the notability guidelines simply because the seasons are combined. Let'srun (talk) 14:23, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Mississippi College Collegians football, 1907–1909; I think 1910 Mississippi College Collegians football team is substantial enough to stand alone, and we typically group seasons by decade, e.g. Delaware State Hornets football, 1924–1929, Temple Owls football, 1894–1899, Henry Kendall Orange and Black football, 1895–1899. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Although the consensus to remove the article is clear, the views are split between whether to delete or merge. That is worthy of further discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 08:37, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Suggestion. Why not redirect to Mississippi College Choctaws football#History where this inaugaural 'season' is mentioned and manually write in the score and opposition for the team's very first recorded match? I don't see how one match amounts to a season, but do recognise the match has historic importance for the team. Surely, the detail has better context placed in that article? Rupples (talk) 09:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note I have created Mississippi College Collegians football, 1907–1909 and redirected 1908 Mississippi College Collegians football team and 1909 Mississippi College Collegians football team there. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Why is it thought necessary to repeat the long table detailing other teams' results when the same table is included in the wikilinked season article? Presentation wise it's leaving large blank spaces. Other than that, the merge looks Ok. Rupples (talk) 20:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• As such, a note to the closer that if the result is to "merge", that has already been done, so this can close as a redirect. Let'srun (talk) 15:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Quwestion @Jweiss11: why not 1910 Mississippi College Collegians football team too? Geschichte (talk) 19:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Geschichte: Jweiss11 answered that question just above the relisting. Let'srun (talk) 01:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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