The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE. Herostratus 12:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

13 Winters

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Non notable band, speedy deleted on 1 March 2007. The author has recreated it, which is tantamount to contesting the speedy - see the talk page. Richard Cavell 04:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also nominating:

Delete non notable band, non notable members, the sources are a store and their website. Low google hits [1].--Paloma Walker 04:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: With all due respect, that's a crock. Band members are barely notable, true, but do me a favor and search on google. Guarenteed you'll get at least 50 results. Most of which are reviews, stores such as AMG and amazon, lyric sites such as Darklyrics.com, interviews, and videos. Also, I'd like to see you try to form a band and submit the lyrics to Darklyrics.com Seriously, try it, be cause you can't, and If you do I'd like to see it. Then and only then do you have room to talk. 13 Winters is just as, if not more notable than Demilich, or Entombed --Emevas 15:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination; they are non-notable. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 05:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: No offense, but I'd like to see a plausable, legit, and convincing reason. --Emevas 15:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per nomination; they are notable. I have gone into the listing and provided notable sources listed here on Wiki. They have existed for half a decade. They dominate the first fifteen pages on Google.[2] You don't use quotes in a search engine unless you are looking for a quote. -- User: darkvalleyrecords(UTC)

Comment It doesn't help your case though that you deleted the AfD notice which means it's unlikely that many people will come here to comment. I've restored it now, but you should bear in mind for the future that you're not supposed to delete that notice. StuartDouglas 14:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgiveness is a virtue my friend, I'm sure it was just a mistake. --Emevas 15:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I know it was - the editor said so, below. :-) StuartDouglas 16:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yeah, Sorry about that. I over writed the page's code from a project file I was using to build the page with and didn't realize that was included with the original code I wrote over. It wasn't my intent to come off as misleading. darkvalleyrecords (UTC)

Delete You use quotes when you're looking for an exact match. Completely non notable band, fails WP:ATT for attribution and reliable sources, as well as being a valid CSDa7 in the first place. ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 10:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep References section just point to the wiki pages for the various sites, but this is author error rather than deliberately misleading I suspect which I'll fix just now. Band has an AMG listing and two purchasable CDs so seem notable enough to me. Indivudal band members are likely not though. StuartDouglas 13:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - for what it is worth, they seem to have reviews in a number of different sites and magazines. There's a few featured here-K@ngi e ^meep! 22:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fervently Strong Keep: Band is notable as a Goth Metal Band. They have an all music entry a couple of music videos and a seemingly large following. Definately not a bedroom recording band. --Emevas 14:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per K@ngi e's point. Band should be given a fair trial as an entry. XKrozz 22:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
STRONG DELETE - not notable and probably self-promotional. Ward3001 22:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure rather to be flattered or insulted by the fact that you used "Self Promotional" to describe the article. I submitted the article, I am a fan of the band, but I am in no way a member of (Nor directly affiliated with) the band 13 Winters. I havn't even met the members in person yet (As much as I'd love to). So "Self Promotional" is directly ruled out. Who would be desparate enough to stoop to such a low? --Emevas 01:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I think labelling the contributions of someone taking part in this very AFD who has behaved very civil as "self promotional" toes the line of failing to WP:AGF... it also doesn't add anything to the debate-K@ngi e ^meep! 02:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Also, I'm very surprised that anyone would now say they were non-notable. I don; tlike metal in any of its forms, but this band certainly seem to be notable enough examples of the genre. StuartDouglas 18:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.