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Hi. There are some problems with your DYK nomination of Albania (periodical). Please visit the nomination discussion for a full explanation. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Upon closer inspection of your contribs since your post on FP's talkpage, I note you have performed quite a few reverts over the past few days. Maybe it's time revert restrictions were imposed on you as well. Athenean (talk) 22:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Can you please participate in the discussion, since the article has important historical inaccuracies that need to be fixed (I would appreciate if you avoid accusations this time [[1]])Alexikoua (talk) 07:04, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
faleminderit që po më ndihmon, gjithnjë i harroj talket :P. Rrofsh për bashkëpunimin, Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for the article Victuallers (talk) 06:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
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Wizardman Operation Big Bear 12:04, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Is it possible to write down some lyrics of this song? (even in a snippet) I believe I've found something about an Albanian version of this but I'm not sure if this is the specific song.Alexikoua (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
[2]. The one you found was probably a small part of this or the song Kapedan Marko Boçari.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
There are a lot of songs about Marko Boçari, but I guess that this is either, Medet për Vezir Alinë, që kur s'dëgjoi Boçarinë të mblidhej me Bushatllinë, për të bërë Shqipërinë. Marko Boçari i tha: Dëgjomë Ali Pasha, po s'u bëmë me ata, Shqipëria për ne nuk ka, do grihemi lakra, do këndojë qyqeja.
or Ngrehu Marko trimëria ngrehu të thërret Greqia të vijë Marko Shqipëria!
(Get up Marko brevery Get up, Greece is calling you: Come Marko Albania) Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually I've asked for the specific song of the article (some youtube stuff maybe?). Ruches has 3 songs about Botsaris, could be one of themAlexikoua (talk) 19:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Just saw the lyrics, well I can add the entire song.Alexikoua (talk) 21:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
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The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
It is irrelevant whether I removed 0k, 3k, or 500k. What matters is quality, not quantity. I removed out-of-contect snippets, which you've been told 100 times is bad sourcing and POV-pushing. I will remove the snippets again, and I trust you won't re-add them again. If you can't add good sources, then don't add anything at all. Athenean (talk) 18:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
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Eh, s'kam bere ndonje gje atje, jo. Ka shume pune ajo pasi vetem IP kane punuar dhe hajde merri vesh sources. --Sulmues Let's talk 20:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I thought that that IP was you.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 20:33, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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Hello ZjarriRrethues, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Fulvio Wetzl, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Film Drectors are frequently notable. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 15:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
You might want to comment here. --Sulmues Let's talk 12:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
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— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I wonder why you are following me around in every single article possible, creating disruption, without never initiating discussion. Now in Dimitrios Botsaris: you added an event about 1884 (no wonder some minutes after I've created this article), unfortunately this Dimitrios Botsaris (the son of Markos) died at 1870. So, suppose it would be kind of you to revert this stuff. Thank you.Alexikoua (talk) 10:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
As I see you confused Dimitrios Botsaris (son of Markos) with Dimitrios Botsaris (son of Timoleon).Alexikoua (talk) 10:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure, actually this one is Gerenal not Colonel. Actually, its him [[4]] he fought together with Dimitrios Doulis. Alexikoua (talk) 13:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
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I should have given to you this barnstar way earlier, and I am surprized why I never got to do that! Is it probably because I was busy reading all the articles that you created in such a short time? Let this be one of the many awards that you will receive in Wikipedia for your tireless contributions. Thank you for being around and creating something like 20DYKs in less than 3 months of your first edit in Wikipedia. Sulmues Let's talk 15:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC) |
Can you please explain what's the meaning of this edit? [[6]]. While the source says it clear that... "he was secretly marked for liquidation by the Albanian L.N.C." [[7]] during a Communist raid againd Gjirokastra. Would you please kind enough and revert yourself.Alexikoua (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
?Talk:Korçë#Kalpidis.3F. Also see my response Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_June_8--Sulmues Let's talk 16:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Thimio_Gogozoto_(2nd_nomination)#Thimio_Gogozoto --Sulmues Let's talk 22:21, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
HI. Can you expand some of these new stubs?Starzynka (talk) 15:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
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I brought to DYK Albanian Songs of the Frontier Warriors. You may now start thinking about doing Lahuta as it was inspired by it. I mentioned it in the article. --Sulmues Let's talk 16:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Brought him to DYK because tomorrow it will expire (5 days from creation) and I didn't want you to lose that DYK. Hope it's ok. --Sulmues Let's talk 12:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
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— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Simply speaking Axis-Cham collaboration was a fact. Since you are tagteaming [[11]] with Sulmues [[12]] in order to remove the historical sequence of events I placed the pov tag. At least this childish circus has to stop.Alexikoua (talk) 18:26, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi can you expand this? I have created the following template. Please add further missing landmarks to it and help start. I will do the same with Tirana and I encourage you do the same with other cities.
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Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
--Sulmues (talk) 15:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, this is not really my area of expertise, but I'll see what I can do. Also, do you only want people from Macedonia with a "Greek consciousness", or also the names of the Greek officers and volunteers who participated? Constantine ✍ 14:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Your vote won't count if you don't put it into parenthesis. [14]. --Sulmues (talk) 19:41, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Speak up boy!!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
ALBANIA WASNT EXIST AT 1405-1468! SEND ME HISTORICAL MAP OF ALBANIA AT 1405-1468 AND ILL ACCEPT THAT KASTRIOTIS WAS BORN IN ALBANIA. TILL THEN ACCEPT THAT HE WAS BORN AT DESPOTATE OF EPIRUS AND CORRECT IT OR THIS IS A PURE NATIONALISTIC ARTICLE ABOUT AN ORTHODOX HERO WHO LOVED CHRISTIANITY.
THANX —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.97.97.98 (talk) 10:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
This is the second [15] and third [16] time in the last two days that I catch you deliberately falsifying a source. Both sources are available online, and in the case of Himara, the quote is provided. For Preveza, the source is quite clear that Berenikia is not "nearby", and for Himara Minahan states quite clearly the "district" of Himara, not just the town. If this problem continues, I will seek measures, either at AE or RfC. Athenean (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) Actually Gregoric is more RS and you should read some academic reviews about Minahan's work before making this deduction. Athenean you could have made that simple edit half an hour ago instead of trying to make me do it. If you want to expand and re-organize the history section then don't ask me to re-organize the article's content, because all I did was to add a small sentence.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 21:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
This message is sent to inform you that you don't need to initiate any further private conversation on irc with me, due to flooding. Anything you need to discuss, there is always wikipedia where things are visible to everyone. Thank you.Alexikoua (talk) 22:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
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— Rlevse • Talk • 06:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Please avoid posting misleading messages. As I see you changed the the historical inaccuracy yourself [[18]]: that Albanians reached Preveza at late 13th century.Alexikoua (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
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— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
You should explain your vote in few sentences, as per propositions of the vote. Only votes with no explanation will be no useful. --Tadijaspeaks 14:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sarandioti. Thank you. Athenean (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
WP:OUCH --— ZjarriRrethues — talk 23:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Btw, how come you know about Sarandioti's unblock request so quickly? Athenean (talk) 00:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello ZjarriRrethues. At Demetrius of Pharos you cite The Cambridge Ancient History, with a page number, but that is a several volume work, what volume do you mean? Thanks, Paul August ☎ 10:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
http://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellazgu.
Nga Lekeli i Tepelenes ishte publikuesi i pare, Anastas Byku. Vangjel Zhapa shkroi ne te per shkollen e vet. Your knowledge of Greek would be helpful. --Sulmues (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Nice work! Think you can find enough to make it an Albanian DYK? We need three more to hit 50! Dr. Blofeld 21:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC) It will be an easy task since I didn't really expand the plot and the other sections.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 21:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for the reminder about the notability guidelines. Be assured I have read them long before you came along to tell me to. On the issue at hand, there are two problems: a) the issue of notability in his field and b) the issue of notability for an English-language encyclopedia... On a) I would consider him more notable, if there were more than two sources, of which one is an obituary in a local newspaper and the other a single mention in a book. If these are the only mentions of him you can find, then by definition he had no "significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed", since there are no "independent reliable sources" that are pertinent to the field to verify this. On the issue of him being awarded with an order, based on what I found on the internet, it is hardly "the highest decoration", but one among dozens of awards instituted by the Communist regime to honour a large variety of professions, in this case, writers/philologists. And he was not a Member of the Academy of Sciences, but an honorary member. There is a world of difference here. On b), he may be notable at a local level due to his writings on Eleusina [21] (certainly qualifies for the Greek WP), but there doesn't appear to be much on him for an international readership [22], [23], [24]. There have been dozens of articles on obscure personalities deleted who had far more Googlehits than he. Look, I am not asking for his deletion, but I do expect to see a couple of sources more that confer notability on him. Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I would do (and have done) the same if he were a Greek author writing on how great the Greeks are... Constantine ✍ 12:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Please respect this line: "--- All comments go ABOVE this line, please. --. Thank you.Alexikoua (talk) 11:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello ZjarriRrethues, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Alabama Christian Academy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to schools. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Theleftorium (talk) 09:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello ZjarriRrethues. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Animal Rights Cambridge, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 13:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Id saw that you restored my removal in Igoumenitsa. 1. Thank you. 2. Isn't it erroneous you want me blocked because I wanted this same removal? 3. Avoid lobbying against me everywhere.CrazyMartini (talk) 09:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello ZjarriRrethues. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Global intellectual history, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: to qualify under criterion A10, an article must have been created recently; this article was created on April, 4; therefore, I don't think it meets the criterion. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 13:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I moved the Oenotri people and related tribes to the peoples of disputed origin amongst the ancient peoples of Italy as it is possible they were of illyric origin Cunibertus (talk) 12:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I bera co-nom Fehimit dhe Ukshinit: ke shume inat me mua ti? --Sulmues (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2010 (UTC) Mire mire, se bera co-nom edhe Kamenica Tumulus. Ene flit se le nom. --Sulmues (talk) 19:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Hm, me bullet points ksaj rradhe. Mire mire, po te le rehat. --Sulmues (talk) 21:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello to you. I think, not 100%, but I think Nokshiq is the Albanian for the Novšici settlement. Evlekis (Евлекис) 03:32, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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Zjarri, This barnstar is dedicated to all your DYKs (especially the 50th one on WP:SQ). Keep the good work up and congrats. — Kedaditalk 00:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC) | |
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For giving an excellent contents on Albania articles in 2010. Sulmues (talk) 10:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC) |
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— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I have place a -cn- tag since your edit [[25]] appears to be unsourced. Alexikoua (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
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E cova ne DYK, 1700 characters. See if it's sufficient. --Sulmues (talk) 16:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
26,000 orthodox Albanians and 28,000 Muslim Albanians in 1936 also there were 600 killings in Muslim chams and lootings from Greek forces in November1940 - May1941 in Gomanica, Grakohari and in Paramithia other killings and lootings (note 85 page 107). Also the following Italian politics is explained in those pages. Plz take a read. Bests Aigest (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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In general: do not make any attempt to communicate with me off wiki: childish mails that contain nonsense such as disapproving my edits like this one [[26]] can be easily considered part of an endless crusade of disruption.Alexikoua (talk)
--Sulmues (talk) 01:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
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Albanian Revolt of 1844, please do some copy editing and formats like that of the rebellion of 1847. Bests Aigest (talk) 10:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hello, I respectfully address to you since I see that you are one of the main editors in the Souliotes article. I really like your work, although I would like to point certain considerations I think they could be useful.
I think that the fanatic interest on placing the Arbereshe, the Arvanites and the Souliotes within the modern Albanian nation or ethne (Shqipetars) with a supposed pure Thraco-Illyrian past is a complete mistake:
1.- The Arbereshe and the Arvanites always beared an "Albanian" conception about themselves in a geographical sence but not in terms of ethnicity. Arbereshe who immigrated to Italy, identified themselves as refugees from the Byzantine Empire. The same way the Arvanites in Greece.
2.- The Souliotes, although most likely originally a branch of the Tsamides by being Orthodox Christians were the torch bearers of Byzantine Christianity, since other fellow Tsamides had fallen into Islamization.
3.- Tosk Albanians and Epirote Greeks according to genetic evidence have very few differences. How is it posible ? The fact is that southern Albania has been inhabited by Epirotes who were considered semi-Hellenic. But the most certain fact is that Tosk Albanins and Epirote Greeks share both an older Pelasgian origin. Here is the connection between true Albanians and Greeks.
4.- The Arberesh consider themselves as the genuine Albanians and do not like to be confused with the modern Albanians (Shqipetars), since they deem these to be the result of foreign ammalgamation (mostly Turkish and Slavic). At this point the same happens with the Arvanites who regard themselves as Greeks but with Pelasgian roots and do not consider themselves as part of the "Albanian nation"
5.- The Souliotes and the Arvanites bravely fought for Greece independence because it meant fighting for Christendom and Byzantium against the Muslim enemies. They never considered the "Turkalbanians" as their brothers. Since modern Albania represent the installment of a recognized "Turkalbanian" state, as the figures depicting a broad majority of Muslim population show, therefore there is no proper sence about labelling the Souliotes within a "modern" albanian context. It would be a mistake such as labelling Bosnian Serbs within a Muslim Bosnian context.
The language question is not a matter to define ethnicity neither, since although the Byzantine empire extention there were many place from north to south were language vacuum was the common, therefore local languages and dialects reigned.
Modern Albania as a state had to build its own history and so they try to paint everything Albanian oriented to build a concience among their people. This way they place Alexander the Great, Skanderbeg, Karaiskakis, Ali Pasha, Markos Botsaris, Ibrahim Pasha, Muhammad Ali and many others as members of the same "Albanian" nation. But very few modern-day Albanians can claim they descend from the Souliotes, instead a considerable portion of modern Greeks can, as Souliotes are listed among the subgroups of the modern Hellenic nation (based mainly upon a geographical and cultural position).
But unfortunately modern Greek historians also need to make everything sound Hellenic to prove a racial purity and continuity from Antiquity to Byzantine Greece unto now-a-days. This way they tend to forgett that the Byzantine Empire was a multiethnic state, with Hellenism as the cultural cohesive pattern, which not necessarily reflects being Greek. As a matter of fact, universal consensus in Greece, tend to label the Maniots and Sphakians as "the purest branch of the Greeks", which should mean that other branches are not that pure. In other subgroups, admixture from every other ethnes certainly occured. Since neighbour states have always been Greece's foes, the Greeks tried to hide and get rid of every sort of alien compound that may be found in Greek history.
I think articles should not try to reflect modern nationalist point of views, because they will otherwise be biased, in this case either leaning towards Albania or towards Greece. I think that a Byzantine context or even an Ottoman context are the suitable, pointing out these people's local identities and that the remnants of the Souliotes and Arvanites are today integrated in the populations of Greece, the same way the Arbereshe are in present Italy.
Thank you very much and kindest regards.-Periptero (talk) 11:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)