Terjen is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia soon. |
Response on my talk page. Kalkin 19:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
If you're creating stub articles, please add ((stub)) to the bottom of the article so that others can find it easier.
Chrisch 05:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
And, while we're discussing your stub creation, thank you for getting the Telonemia stub up and running and doing the maintenance work. KP Botany 03:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thank you for adding some content to Mate (beverage) and, above all, thank you for referencing your material! far too much of the writing in this article is unsourced and i, for one, appreciate any addition of references to the article. -- frymaster 02:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not understand the edits you made on the JROTC page here [1]. Removing the "large national" designation diminishes the reader's perception of what has become a nationwide movement against the JROTC. Also, where you changed "are against" to "criticize" is wrong, because some of the groups (such as the Project on Youth and Non-military Opportunities) exist primarily to campaign against the JROTC. Also, the removal of the words "campaign against" makes these organizations appear to be philosophical ones that don't actually do anything, and they in fact do quite a lot. I don't see any reason for these edits other than trying to understate the impact and actions of the organizations against the JROTC. If there is a good reason for these edits, that is fine, but otherwise they will stay reverted. Heavy Metal Cellisttalkcontribs
Check the history of the JROTC entry and you will find that it was I that added references to these groups in the first place. You should see how the entry was two months ago. The referenced evidence doesn't support that these organizations "do quite a lot" about JROTC. I encourage you to dig up information that demonstrates their activities and build the case. I removed the "large national" designation as it doesn't fit all groups listed, case in point, Project YANO, who's "outreach focuses on youths in San Diego County". Terjen 01:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Heavy Metal Cellisttalkcontribs
I put a comment on the role and purpose section about making a text move to improve flow. Without doing any actual re-wording, there are the makings of a good, well-balanced controversy section from parts of the article that already exist. Hotfeba 18:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with what you did on the creed thing, but do you think someone could argue that your summary of the creed is subjective and demonstrates bias in favor of JROTC? In other words someone could say that your interpretation is not what there's is, whereas simply quoting the creed in it's full text leaves it open for one to make draw their own conclusion. sf46
You just heavily violated the 3RR - a policy I know for a fact that you are very familiar with. You did a large number of revisions in the IIUS article since last night. I urge you to revert them less I am compelled to report them. Thank you.-Psychohistorian 13:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The article Esequiel Hernandez Jr has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done because the article seemed to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it did not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources.
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Having run across this article, I undeleted your first two versions, Terjen, for the sake of making the complete records available to all readers. It should be safe now, but let me know if it's ever nominated for deletion. —Toby Bartels (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
When you get a chance, please take a look at my comments at Talk:Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry to say that I am not convinced that these forks were a good think, or that they were handled well. These were significant changes and I think it would have been far better to do something like filll does when he puts potentially controversial changes on his personal discussion pages, works out the kinks, and then seeks feedback from others. I am going to post essentially this message on the creation evolution controvesry talk page. StudyAndBeWise 03:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Great job on getting this to be a current event! You definately did most of the heavy lifting. Remember 21:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, You cannot attribute stories on the current events portal to AP because AP links are 1. temporary and the urls quickly change, and 2. AP is unreliable. KazakhPol 21:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but the NPOV wording has to stand for more than five seconds, don't you think? I think your removal of the tag I placed is premature, and should wait until there's some stability in this section when I'd be happy to remove it. (Also, my observation has been that the person who placed it is usually asked if changes are sufficient for its removal.) So I'd appreciate it if you;d self-revert your removal for now. Tvoz |talk 18:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
At the instigation of User:Bdushaw I have drafted something (based on his questions) for the Wikipedia:Peer Review page for Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. I'm interested in knowing your level of interest in participating in responding to suggestions made there, whether such a review would be worthwhile, given the changing nature of the article, and your suggestions for revisions to the request for review, which is in draft form at User:Yellowdesk/scratch4. -- Regards, Yellowdesk 05:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello Terjen, Thanks for helping with the Ron Paul 2008 Section! ITS EXCELLENT!
Anappealtoheaven —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anappealtoheaven (talk • contribs) 18:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC).
We already have almost the same quote a few lines up - actually looks like an excerpt from the same or a very similar quote - but the way we have it is from his own congressional website which I think is a better source than Lew Rockwell, and it is from April 2007 which makes it more timely. I'm going to see if the original congressional site quote was longer and will expand it and take yours out - no point in saying virtually the same thing twice. Tvoz |talk 19:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
This section is so big it is hard to keep track of it from one minute to another.
I would like to see it reduced considerably and stop focusing on the comments of people other than RON PAUL.
Anappealtoheaven 23:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Why did you exicse the John Yoo example?
Further explanation please.
Cheers! Geo Swan 15:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
hey there, you reverted a summary of his votes, taken from his page, on his voting record. Please explain exactly what is unsupported by the source, what needs expansion or improvement. It does not get much better than his own page. thanks.
23:00, June 9, 2007 Terjen (Talk | contribs) (53,349 bytes) (→Political positions - rm POV commentary not supported by source; expand; improve reference)
Skywriter 01:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I respectfully draw your attention to my recent comments at horse slaughter, whose title change you opposed. BrainyBabe 16:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for catching and correcting that vandalism at the CAMS entry. We had a logo up there, any idea how to get it back?
Also did a trackback on the IP, goes to Denver Qwest. Do you think it might be good for me to send a statement to abuse@qwest?
Thanks again! GS at CAMS ~ Coalition Against Militarism in Our Schools
Terjen, I appreciate your help at Ron Paul, though I have not been able to follow all of the recent spate of edits. In the fracas I may have gotten your and Vidor's edits confused in parts. I'd like to recommend against calling the objectionable newsletter comments "politically incorrect", first because the wikilink was a disambiguation leading to "political correctness" (which is confusing even if fixed), and second because that does not appear a neutral description (looking at either the WP article, the source(s), or common sense). It seems that "derogatory" has stood consensus the longest, while "disparaging" and "controversial" have also been tried. If you think this is important, please respond at Talk:Ron Paul. Thanks! John J. Bulten 03:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Ron Paul Revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ron_Paul_Revolution#Ron_Paul_Revolution
If you have time I would like to hear your comments on this page. Thank you.--Duchamps comb (talk) 00:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Fine with Frum content being moved wherever you want in the page (I find Frum repugnant, but during the GOP primary cycle, what he has to say is highly notable). I thought about putting a section break between Frum and the New Republic article, but it looked funky. I don't think they're related (I mean, I think the "disturbing" stuff Frum's talking about is the fact that Paul may be a crypto-confederate), but the article read that way. Is that what you were alerting me about?
--- tqbf 00:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I reverted your Houston Chronicle change, but didn't notice you were reorg'ing the section; since you're editing more heavily than I am, I'll let you sort it out, but sorry for scrambling the text. We can take the Chron discussion to talk if you need to (as long as you're around to talk it out, I'm not going to revert your next change; just WP:BRD).
--- tqbf 17:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Be careful what you call "editorializing" my friend. Saying "others showed him lower" is a FACT, not my opinion. Also "but" is not always a "weasel word", so perhaps you can get off your high horse for a minute. For someone demanding such careful wording, I can't see why you are fighting to give a false impression about the percentage of votes Paul got. He did not actually get 10%, so when you keep "rounding up" while talking about "weasel words", it does lead one to believe that you're not being very neutral. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I think this phrase was meant as a positive thing about the campaign; maybe you want to rephrase it? The point was he had more donors who contributed less each, which is sort of impressive. --- tqbf 03:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I've put back the tag. Someone else can look at it. —Random832 19:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Not disputing the edit --- totally valid --- but, have you checked out the demos on Paul's district? Winning an overwhelmingly white southern district "despite" disputed evidence of racism is hardly evidence of much. =)
--- tqbf 19:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the wiki article on these states, they are winner take all. Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008. I think it is important to mention since Paul and other candidates, have won delegates because they've been in states that allocate based on percentage. This won't occur in these states, which have significant numbers that will only go to one candidate. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Winner-take-all Florida, home to many New York émigrés, is where Giuliani has campaigned almost exclusively for the past several weeks. Here is the rest: [6] Niteshift36 (talk) 05:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Look at this list from Real Clear Politics. [8] Every state with a W is a winner take all state. As are FL and NY found on this page: [9] Stop being disruptive. Niteshift36 (talk) 05:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice work refactoring. Also, I have a personal problem with saying something just shy of 100% is 100%, but as it's the reference which made the claim, I have no ground to argue. —XSG 06:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
In what sense do you mean that there are only 116 million "American taxpayers"? Shouldn't your precise sense be described in the article? 216.165.199.50 (talk) 05:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Try knowing what you are talking about. Go look up libel and come back when you are educated enough to discuss the topic. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:00, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you added the semi-protected template to Talk: Ron Paul, but the page isn't semi-protected. Protection can only be applied by administrators, and the template merely informs people about the protection. If you want to request protection in the future, you can drop a note on an admin's talk page or at requests for page protection. Natalie (talk) 06:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Paul is running as a Republican. The Libertarian decided if he loses as a Republican, they'd like to put him on their ticket. Paul says no. What is relevent about that? And why is a party he isn't campaigning for relevent to his campaign? Niteshift36 (talk) 04:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello. WikiProject Equine is discussing an article importance scale here. Your POV would be appreciated. --Una Smith (talk) 17:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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I see you've taken up some further clean-up of Illegal immigration to the United States. Thanks for the help.... and keep up the good edits! Wikidemo (talk) 05:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Regarding the multiple IP addresses reportedly being used by Psychohistorian, it was my understanding that this activity has been alleged for some time on his/her user page, and without any attempt by Psychohistorian him/herself to challenge or remove the allegation on that page (if he/she in fact disagrees with it).
You might also want to check with Brimba, who (judging from this note in my own talk page) has apparently had dealings with Psychohistorian in the past and was able to identify some of the IP addresses in question as belonging to that user.
In my view (which might just be my own personal opinion), I would think that anyone with an established Wikipedia account ought to use that account when editing Wikipedia, instead of editing anonymously — especially when the edits may be contentious, and more especially when evidence (or, at least, a credible claim) has been posted linking specific IP addresses with the user in question. If (as now appears to be the case) Psychohistorian is denying being the anonymous editor using these IP addresses, I would think he/she should welcome the suggestion that the "illegal immigration" article should be semi-protected — along with any other articles that have been recently edited from the addresses in question — or perhaps even that anonymous editing of any article from these IP addresses should be blocked — in order to dispel any possible confusion. Does this make sense to you? Or are there some valid reasons (which I'm missing right now) which could make this sort of activity legitimate after all? Richwales (talk) 16:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
How did I miss that? I read though it quickly looking for a discussion of "religion"... thanks for undoing my mistake. Verbal chat 06:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Terjen! I recognized that the editors involved agreed that the page needed to move, but did not know what to move it to. If you feel strongly, try doing a straw poll on the various available titles. When there is consensus, please re-list at the requested moves again. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 00:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar | ||
For your excellent article Illegal entry I give you this barnstar. Well done. mboverload@ 07:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
It's a start... ;-) Thanks. Terjen (talk) 07:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
--WPLaw? Victuallers (talk) 11:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Chain migration is more specific to the particular instance, whereas family reunification is a more general type of immigration; I think the definite and specific should be preferred over the more general and vague. I'm also a little surprised by your copying the material from the immigration section of Anchor baby over to the family reunification article; it may not be appropriate there as currently written. The legal discussion in the Anchor baby article is very specific to citizen children of non-citizen parents (with particular emphasis on illegal immigration to the US). US law concerning family reunification is actually far broader and encompasses such things as legal immigrants bringing their family over, bringing spouses over, siblings, children, etc. RayAYang (talk) 08:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I did not add WPLaw to anchor baby. WPLaw already existed. I merely classified it and added an importance level. Afterward I thought to remove it from WPLaw, but became busy doing someting else. EECavazos (talk) 05:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. I'm a bit new to this wiki game and realize that I should've gotten in touch before making a full-scale edit. That said, I'd like to dig in there and add back most of that information from yesterday. Much of the current info is out of date. I work for the series, and we've got lots of other information that we think would be helpful/instructive/interesting/etc. Obviously let me know if I'm going astray on that. Love to learn as I go. Thanks! Seelbach (talk) 15:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for cleaning up immigration. It looks much better now - easily understood. I'm a little new to editing Wikipedia, so I wasn't exactly sure how to proceed. You fixed it nicely.The Fiddly Leprechaun (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see my comment on the talk page to Illegal immigration to the United States. You seem to be revert warring with an IP editor over a change to the lead. It's not clear to me, reviewing things, exactly what the change is, which is right, and why it matters. So best to lay it out on the talk page. You may have (barely) violated WP:3RR on this so please be careful. I will not file anything, but to avoid a block you should probably indicate that you do not plan further reverts. Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Original research, and WP:SYNTH. You've now repeatedly inserted content that is not in sources cited, merely because you believe it is true, or because you think it could possibly be sourced elsewhere. For example, you've added text such as "capsaicin aerosol" — even though the source cited makes no mention of "capsaicin" or "aerosol." The text you're adding could be true, but that's quite beside the point: the point is that we follow what the reliable sources say on a particular point and we don't engage in original research here. Please knock it off. Neutralitytalk 04:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
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NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Have you ever stopped to ponder what even is usual, or what sets those things apart from those others, those few, those "unusual" sort? Can the abnormal be normalized? If the unexpected later become reality once, should we expect the unexpected in the future? What about twice, or thrice? I bet Socrates, Confucius and Triple H also pondered such thoughts. Or at least I would bet, in theory. Hard to find a bookie that would cover a thing like that...isn't it?
Long story short, thanks for trying. Now go on and indulge yourself, grab a glass of wine, your favourite easy chair and of course, this compact disc playing in your home stereo system. After all, music soothes even the savage beast.
Or do whatever you will, it's your weekend! But seriously, though. The Offspring were right all along, at least up until they changed, man. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Your persistent refusal to drop the stick as to the description of the Boogaloo movement as far-right
is verging on tendentious and disruptive editing behavior. There is a clearly-expressed formal consensus in a RFC that the article will describe the movement as far-right
. If you wish to change this recent and formally-determined consensus, you will need to open another formal RFC and ask that the prior consensus be overturned. That is your one and only option at this point. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I have filed an Arbitration Enforcement request in regards to your editing behavior at Boogaloo movement. Your participation is invited. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:37, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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I got my first - and hopefully last - block. Here is the verdict: "There is a clear disconnect between what he thinks is acceptable and what the greater community expects. Looking at his history, it is clear he is fascinated by American Politics in general, but so far, I've only seen problems in the one article, so a topic ban seems too broad. I've actually dedicated a lot of time debating the "solution", more than Terjen has in explaining it, to be sure. A sanction should accomplish two things: 1. stop disruption and 2. discourage future disruption. With that in mind, I've decided to keep it simple and block Terjen for two weeks as a logged WP:AE action, as they have not been blocked before."
Background
I inserted a [disputed ] tag next to the "far-right" label in the lede of the Boogaloo movement page, linking to a discussion on the Talk page, which lists reasons the label needs an in-text attribution:
My goal of inserting the tag was to bring attention to the ongoing but slow discussion on the Talk page, with the hope of building a consensus for in-text attribution of the "far-right" label. In the discussion, I recognized the recent RfC consensus finding plenty of reliable sources using the "far-right" label in their description of the movement, and emphasized I was not advocating removing the label from the lede.
Here is the sequence of events that led to the block:
04:21, 15 April 2021 Terjen adds a "disputed" tag to the "far-right" label in the lede, linking to the discussion on the Talk page.
05:18, 15 April 2021 NorthBySouthBaranof reverts to remove the tag, with the comment "an RFC already determined that this is appropriate. You'll need new consensus to change it."
21:57, 20 April 2021 Terjen restores the "disputed" tag, with the edit comment explaining it is "linking to ongoing discussion"
22:30, 20 April 2021 NorthBySouthBaranof reverts the edit, removing the "disputed" tag, with the comment "per clear and undisputed RfC, closed with "Firm consensus to describe Boogaloo movememnt as far-right as per overwhelming majority of reliable sources"
0:09, 26 April 2021 Terjen adds a new "disputed" tag linking to the updated ongoing discussion, with the edit comment "tag bringing attention to ongoing discussion about mislabeling"
0:12, 26 April 2021 NorthBySouthBaranof reverts the edit, removing the tag, with the comment "Again, you have two options: open a new RFC to reverse the previous formal consensus, or WP:DROPTHESTICK"
03:41, 26 April 2021 Terjen adds a different "Contentious label" tag linking to the discussion, with the edit comment "tag contentious label - see discussion"
7:35, 26 April 2021 Bacondrum reverts the edit, removing the tag, with no edit comment.
Complaint
The complaint was regarding placing a "disputed" tag on the "far-right" label in the lede of the Boogaloo movement article, with a link to an open discussion on the Talk page about the label needing an in-text attribution. The filer claimed I was "[a]ttempting to permanently tag the section until they get the outcome they want."
Filings
On 26 April 2021 NorthBySouthBaranof files an arbitration enforcement request, with GorillaWarfare and Bacondrum listed as parties. NorthBySouthBaranof states "Terjen rejects an overwhelming and formally-expressed community consensus, and refuses to understand that their options are limited to opening a new RfC, or accepting the status quo." Bacondrum states "Even a cursory glance at sourcing for this claim shows it is very well cited. The far-right descriptor is not only well cited, it is used in the vast majority of sources." GorillaWarfare states "This should have been resolved the first time Terjen was told that a new formal RfC would be needed to override the previous one. Terjen could have just opened a new RfC, preferably with a good explanation of what has changed since the June/July 2020 RfC to warrant revisiting the topic, and that would have been that. Refusing to do this simple thing, and continuing to edit war the tag into the article despite clear explanations that there was a formal decision to include the wording, is tendentious."
on 27 April 2021 Bacondrum reports the same issue as an 1RR violation, stating "They've been warned about edit warring and disruptive editing before, there's an ongoing Arbitration Enforcement request etc. They're continuing being generally disruptive, but they've clearly violated the 1RR sanctions on the page".
Aftermath
On 01:12, 30 April 2021 starship.paint closes the active discussion on the Boogaloo movement talk page about adding an in-text attribution to the "far-right" label, arguing "I don’t think further discussion in here is productive. If anyone wants to water down / change the Wikivoice 'far right' description in the first sentence, please start a new WP:RFC with your proposed new sentence, and bring reliable sources (some you can find at WP:RSP)."
Learnings
@Dennis Brown: I appreciate the time and effort you took evaluating the Arbitration Enforcement regarding my edits to the Boogaloo movement page. I am sorry I didn't get my response submitted in time. I have reflected on my mistakes and have documented the experience as well as some of the lessons learned above. If you have time - and I fully understand if you have other priorities - I appreciate if you let me know whether there are any serious issues that I have missed. My goal is to become a better editor and return to editing without making such mistakes again. Terjen (talk) 22:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
This Just In: InedibleHulk chains his compassionate ass to a tree and nails his symbolic balls to the wall, vowing to return in two weeks or whenever the system adequately reforms, whichever comes first! InedibleHulk (talk) 11:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
@InedibleHulk: Lies, lies, lies. I fell into that one. Now you've seen a political assassination up close. Killed the messenger. Too much drama for me. Can't wait to get back to editing again and help to move the project forward, wiser and stronger than ever. PS: I am neither right nor left but an equal opportunity neutralizer Terjen (talk) 05:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Please copy my appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard or administrators' noticeboard. Terjen (talk) 07:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Accept reason:
Procedural accept only. I've already unblocked him without an AE discussion, which would have taken too long. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 12:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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WP:AE#Terjen, logged at [13]
"There is a clear disconnect between what he thinks is acceptable and what the greater community expects. Looking at his history, it is clear he is fascinated by American Politics in general, but so far, I've only seen problems in the one article, so a topic ban seems too broad. I've actually dedicated a lot of time debating the "solution", more than Terjen has in explaining it, to be sure. A sanction should accomplish two things: 1. stop disruption and 2. discourage future disruption. With that in mind, I've decided to keep it simple and block Terjen for two weeks as a logged WP:AE action, as they have not been blocked before."
I am blocked from editing their Talk page, thus cannot notify the administrator who made the enforcement action. However, they are already evidently aware of the appeal.
The sanction was for an incident on a single article, where the complaint was about adding a tag to the "far-right" label in the lede of the Boogaloo movement article, with the tag linking to an ongoing discussion on the Talk page regarding the label needing an in-text attribution.
Upon being notified about the AE request, I immediately self-quarantined from all further editing of main pages, demonstrating the discipline to cause no further disruption.
I have reflected on the incident and taken my mistakes to heart. I pledge to do my best to avoid repetition in the future. Further sitewide blocking is unlikely to bring additional insights. It will be beneficial for WP to let me return to editing and practice what I've learned including resolving conflicts adhering to WP:BRD, allowing me to continue contributions I had in the works before the AE.
I have documented my perspective as well as lessons learned on my Talk page.
I am requesting a modification: Narrowing the sanction to a partial block limited to the single article where the transgression occurred, the Boogaloo movement main page.
I object to the unblock and think further investigation of this editors behavior is warranted. At a brief glance their recent activity is telling. They've gotten straight back into it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Starship.paint#Request_for_reopening_discussion apparently colluding to stop what they call "activist" editors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Terjen#Solidarity WP:HOUNDING me, making a personal attack, insinuating that I am an activist: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Erlend_Kvitrud&diff=next&oldid=1023696373 We appear to have a tendentious editor who is gaming us and is WP:NOTHERE Bacondrum 00:14, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Terjen (talk) 07:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
You are welcome to appeal at WP:AE, but I was already debating unblocking you early due to the reasons you are appealing about. My intention was to wait until Thursday and see what happens. That would be one week into the two week block. AE actions aren't "consensus", even if we discuss them and often act in consensus. They are unilateral, meaning no one can change my block without a group consensus, except me. I can change it for any reason without consulting with anyone. You haven't been blocked before so probably not aware of that, but any time an admin sanctions you, it's often a good idea to just ask them to modify first. It isn't required, and if you choose to go to AE instead, I won't take any offense, of course, and I would say the same thing I just said. I'm just saying it might be easier and faster if you didn't and discussed an unblock with me, as I am open to consideration, due to how you've conducted yourself since the block. Because I did the block, I can't really close or reply to the actual request above. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
RE: [14] - I don’t think WP:NPOV is what you think it is. NPOV doesn’t mean Wikipedia’s end product is neutral (see WP:FALSEBALANCE). It means we should neutrally reflect what the reliable sources say. That means that if a the majority of reliable sources take a stance, so do we. starship.paint (exalt) 15:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
I've unblocked you. You stated you wanted to appeal at AE but that takes a few days and your block would be over by the time a decision was made, so this late in the game, it is kind of pointless to do. I'm unblocking based on the discussions on this talk page. It doesn't require you agree with the block or "ask forgiveness", just that you understand there is a process for dealing with editing disagreements, and you showed early on you understand that. I have high confidence you intend to follow WP:BRD, as per your own unsolicited comments. Mainly, you didn't throw blame on everyone else, which is helpful and a bit refreshing. Waiting would make the block punitive rather than preventative, and that is something I really try to avoid. Time to move on past this bump in the road. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 11:58, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Hey to stop the back and forth I created a dispute resolution here. [15] 3Kingdoms (talk) 19:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Please self revert this personal attack this is a bad faith act and violates WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. I'm giving you a chance to correct your behavior here rather than going straight to the admins. If it is not reverted or removed you'll leave me with no other choice than to take this to the admins. Bacondrum 21:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.JBL (talk) 12:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi Terjen, I don't want to further clog up that already extremely long ArbE. I think at this point, admins have enough info to render verdicts. By all means, keep adding stuff, that is your right and I am absolutely not saying you should not use it. Keep using it of your own volition. But I personally feel uncomfortable continuing to add the same arguments there, because word limits, walls of text, and added difficulty in figuring out the result, so I am coming here.
Re: your recent claim that I am conducting OR on BLPs on talk pages, and therefore should be sanctioned--
The relevant passage of WP:BLP, in my opinion is this (emphasis mine):
"Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced and not related to making content choices should be removed, deleted, or oversighted, as appropriate.
"
You may be right that BLP applies to talk pages, but it does not apply to discussions and debates about content choices on talk pages. When such content is not describing someone as doing something illegal, is not posting personal identity-theft info, is useful to making content decisions, and is on a talk page, neither WP:OR nor WP:BLP applies. That is my reading, and I am guessing, the reading of some of the other users who have commented on that ArbE case.
I would like to work with you on these contentious articles. It would help if we could not spend hours arguing about very specific tiny details, and figure out the middle ground where we agree. Instead of spending all our time (and my time too, I want to be clear) trying to find the things we disagree on.--Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 01:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm relatively new to Wikipedia. I just tried to ping you in a conversation that I thought you might be interested in. I hope that's not annoying!KristinaLu (talk) 23:37, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Terjen. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Purity culture".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:51, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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In a process that began last year with WP:DS2021, the Arbitration Committee is evaluating Discretionary Sanctions (DS) in order to improve it. A larger package of reforms is slated for sometime this year. From the work done so far, it became clear a number of areas may no longer need DS or that some DS areas may be overly broad.
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