On 6 July 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Fly-fisher's Entomology, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Alfred Ronalds' The Fly-fisher's Entomology (1836) (plate pictured) was the first work on fly fishing to illustrate named artificial flies and their counterpart natural insects? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
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Please see User talk:Montanabw#Montana_article_help. TksPumpkinSky talk 17:18, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
It wasn't a personal issue it was just a real issue. I have tried civil dialog with “BW” in the past and trust me it’s pointless. And I really tire of watching this person act as if they own the Montana page. There is really no need for the rude comments added whenever someone attempts to add something to the page, people have feelings. Maybe “BW” should take a few things to the talk page before kicking them out with a rude comment. Just calling it as I see it.
Thanks for your input and thank you for being civil I do appreciate it!
Soglad Tomeetyou (talk) 04:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Mike, do you want us to edit your sandbox or do you want to move it to main space first? Montanabw and I are ready to help. PumpkinSky talk 22:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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This DYK nomination is formatted incorrectly. I'm not sure how you managed it, but it looks like what you did was create the subpage (by entering the article name and clicking the "Create nomination" link at T:TDYK, but then pasting in your own nomination template rather than filling out the template that was preloaded. I think I have fixed it, but in the future please just fill out the template as detailed in the instructions. Thank you, rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.
In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.
Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.
--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Mike Cline. I think the above AfD should have been closed differently. Although there were five keep votes and only two deletes, three of the keep voters were SPAs and were tagged as such. None of the keep voters could refute the argument that the subject lacked significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Their main counter to this was that he was quoted a lot and so this constituted "recognition". That is not, in my understanding, the meaning of the word with respect to notability. Another argument used was that he fitted some subject-specific guideline. It is doubtful that he belongs to them, and even then it wasn't proved he satisfied any of them (eg it was claimed he was "cited by peers" when this was not proven). In any case, people satisfying subject specific guidelines still need to satisfy the GNG, and in this case, in which people were in contact with the article subject and exhaustive searches were performed, there is no reason to not do so. Therefore, I wonder if it is possible to overturn the close to a delete? Christopher Connor (talk) 19:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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Here: Talk:List_of_people_from_Montana#Montanans_needing_more_research is where I'm dropping all the names that need articles, better refs, etc as I work on getting this to FL: List of people from Montana. If you'd like to help that's great, if not that's okay too. PumpkinSky talk 23:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
On 2 August 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nelson Story, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Nelson Story was the first cattleman to drive Texas Longhorns to Montana along the Bozeman Trail in 1866? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Would Evel and his son be entertainers (where someone put them in the list) or athletes (which is what Sports Illustrated calls him)? His article calls him a daredevil and entertainer. Interesting question. Sort of like "Are billiards players athletes?" Or Sportsmen? Personally I don't consider golfers athletes. Did I just post that? I'd better run and hide ;-) PumpkinSky talk 23:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, thank you for creating the list of molluscs of Montana List of non-marine molluscs of Montana. I made some tweaks to get the list a bit more compatible with other similar lists. I very appreciate your work and I have added it to the Portal:Gastropods. It is the first complete list of molluscs of the certain U.S. state on Wikipedia. Congratulations! Thank you. Snek01 (talk) 22:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC) |
Wow, you got a lot done today. Thanks! But I noticed several of the entries don't have a ref. Would you like me to help with that or do you have a plan? PumpkinSky talk 20:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
John F. Yancey looks more like Wyoming. Is there something more solid than burial tying him to MT? PumpkinSky talk 22:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Hey Mike. Pls see List of Governors of Montana. Below the territorial govs, you find "Wiley Scribner, acting governor, 1869–1870". In the list you find people listed for 1869-1870. Then look at his article. It is not at all clear what occurred here. Why is he listed as being an acting gov? Any idea? PumpkinSky talk 13:45, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
It was recently suggested that WikiProject Montana might be inactive or semiactive and it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. I have started a discussion on the projects talk page soliciting the opinions of the members of the project if this project would be interested in being supported by WikiProject United States. Please feel free to comment on your opinions about this suggestion. --Kumioko (talk) 01:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Very outstanding effort...you are supposed to be retired ya know! Best wishes.--MONGO 03:30, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I have added a Medal of Honor section. I'll be adding all 8 recipients from MT. I thought you may be interested since you're a AF person.PumpkinSky talk 14:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
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Any comments to the comments by VioletRiga at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of athletes from Montana/archive1? PumpkinSky talk 20:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Mike me laddie, can you whip up a quick stub on Scratchgravel Hills]? This per the fact that I have a redlink --but also a photo -- at Lake Helena. I suck at all the geocoding and sourcing, you can do it way quicker than I. That said, am heading to YNP this weekend via the Bozone and US 191, probably returning via Paradise Valley, will have camera, so if you need an image shot, put in your requests now. Montanabw(talk) 17:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Good morning, Mike. I am trying to get the hang of how to communicate with you via talk pages, as you suggested. I got you message on my talk page and it makes sense that this be the preferred way that we communicate as I begin to learn how to navigate Wikipedia as an editor.Fairbury (talk) 11:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Please solve this mystery if you can...
On September 23rd, traffic to Portal:James Bond doubled, and has stayed at the new level since then. I can't figure out what happened.
See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Portal%3AJames_Bond
Traffic to Outline of James Bond stayed the same (though it was at the higher-level already), which leads me to suspect changes made somewhere in Wikipedia.
See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Outline%20of%20James_Bond
I'd like to find out what happened, in case it reveals helpful link placement tips that can double the traffic to outlines too!
I look forward to your reply on my talk page. The Transhumanist 23:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Mike Cline, a few of us, including myself LadyofShalott, are interested in broadening the scope of WikiProject Science pearls and making it into something like WikiProject Academic bibliographies. Would you like to join us? Please reply on my page. RockMagnetist (talk) 05:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
You emailed me and I replied. It was refused and you made me waste time going through a process of filling in a form, which when I submitted it, said my message was no longer available. Sorry, I am not going to waste anymore time pandering to your obsession about spam. If you are using wikipedia email, you should be totally open to replies to it. --Bduke (Discussion) 00:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
You asked me to email you, but I don't know how. RockMagnetist (talk) 17:50, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
--McMormor (talk) 19:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
New article on ceramics prof at MSU-Bozeman, if you care to help. PumpkinSky talk 17:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to do an article on the Yogo sapphire. Do you have or can you get one or more free images of them? I can't find any. I have, or perhaps used to have, a Yogo mounted in white gold, but I'll be darned if I can find it. PumpkinSky talk 22:33, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hi. I have endeavoured to rescue an article I remembered having viewed six months ago and could not find back on wikipedia. It had been considered OR although it was very well third-party sourced to me. Care to give your opinion on it? Here is the ongoing deletion review. Cheers --GrandPhilliesFan (talk) 11:24, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Can you delete File:Morgan 4606571616 b12e8d5e99 o.jpg? I've moved it to Commons and tagged the en wiki version with "nowcommons". Thanks. PumpkinSky talk 14:30, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Mike, List of important publications in biology has been reinstated and already people are discussing deletion. Mostly it's the usual suspects, but also Crusio (talk) has been weighing in, which worries me a bit. Can you have a look at this page? RockMagnetist (talk) 16:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Mike, once I noticed that Curb Chain had moved your Wikiproject into article space, I moved a template from your space to make it functional. I hope that is o.k. - I know that under normal circumstances it would not be kosher. If you like, I could give you a hand with completing the activation of this project. RockMagnetist (talk) 22:16, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
May want to watchlist the Missoula article, I just removed the same sort of claim from there. Montanabw(talk) 21:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Mike, I was looking over a project of PSky's and in passing noted a glaring omission in wikipedia articles: The best-known of the good trout streams west of the divide, Rock Creek. Aside from the usual topo maps, three quick sites: [2],[3], [4] . I think there is also a Rock Creek by Red Lodge and possibly another up by Wolf Point. But upon checking the disambiguation of Rock Creek, I see Wyoming lists two, so we need to catch up! And I could not think of a more qualified person to whip up the stub than YOU! If fish aren't a good enough reason, the bar by the freeway exit that is next to its confluence with the Clark Fork is the home of a major "Testicle Festival", kind of the opposite of a trout fishing experience, but notable in its own way. Montanabw(talk) 03:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
FYI. Per your comment, I have closed the discussion. --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey Mike,
Thanks for taking the time to send me that massage and kind offer : )
Missoulianette (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
May want to do your geographic magic on two new articles by a nice, friendly new user that used the Article Wizard. I approved them and did a little cleanup, but I'm not great on the coordinates and infobox stuff. May want to look them over: Lost Creek State Park and Thompson Falls State Park
Thank you for closing the renaming discussion at Talk:Xixabangma. There was one residual issue that I wanted to consult with an admin: I'm hoping you are willing to give your opinion, as a neutral third party.
Originally, User:虞海 boldly moved Shishapangma to Xixabangma. User:Racerx11 tried to move it back, but was unable to because of the history-preserving mechanism in Mediawiki. Thus, he moved it to Shishabangma and asked for my help. I started the WP:RM process. in the course of the discussion, I moved the page back to Xixabangma, because that was one of the two plausible titles. Now, with no consensus, it is left at Xixabangma.
This has left hard feelings amongst some of the editors. If MediaWiki had allowed Racerx11 to revert, the discussion would have closed with no consensus at Shishapangma. There was some sentiment to consult an admin to ask for a revert, but I pointed out that without consensus, we can't move anything. Defaulting to Xixabangma does seem unfair, though.
What do you think? I'm 10% tempted to move it to Shisha Pangma, but I certainly don't want to start an edit war. —hike395 (talk) 16:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello. You have a new message at Hike395's talk page.
hello mike, thanks for heads up. have removed all references as you requested. Irideus (talk) 21:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC) irideus
Can you create an article on this too? PumpkinSky talk 00:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Mike,
Sorry to bother you again (I'm one of the editors involved in the Sishapangma issue). I have just noticed that we can see all contributions from a user by clicking the "contribs" tag, and have found dozens and dozens of very controversial edits by user 虞海 with whom some could think I am a bit in conflict... :)
I have reverted some of the most obvious abuses, and have tried to move back the page Goinba to its original name Gompa. Gompas are buddhist monasteries/nunneries found in China (Tibet), Nepal, India, Bhutan. The name Goinpa (as Xixibangma) is not used in English, but in the Tibetan romanisation form used only in China. Nobody outside China, and in particular in Nepal, India and Bhutan where many Gompa can be found, will understand the word Goinpa.
I tried to change back the name (using the small sign on the top of the page), but was afraid to make a mistake that could block the page. Is it OK for me to try, or could you move back the page to its original title? Thanks, --Pseudois (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Can you delete File:Snowpatch.jpg? I have moved it to commons. Tks in advance. PumpkinSky talk 15:05, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you on Talk page, is there an Admin FAQ board? (it's a simple q. I'm just wondering if a non-Admin can close a merge discussion he started). In ictu oculi (talk) 04:25, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
See File:RubyRiver.jpg, I know you've done what this shows, fly fishing on the Ruby. I've moved to commons, can you delete the en wiki copy? Tks. PumpkinSky talk 15:59, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Old issue with arising from Bozeman now at Missoula article. See history of Missoula, Montana. Nuff said. I reverted, your turn. I'm tired. Montanabw(talk) 04:17, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi, thank you for taking the time to give me advice on how to become involved in Wikipedia. To be honest I often read the talk pages on the articles and I have been put off from contributing because of some of the things that have went on. The Genesis article is a case in point, I arrived at the discussion after it had been concluded and I made a suggestion that a compromise title should be created. I have been called a sock-puppet by someone, accused of insulting another editor when I said that I wasn't and it's not fair to just dismiss a new person like that. I ended the conversations last night by just sort of trying to draw a line under it all and apologising. Today someone else on that page has called me a troll and said I shouldn't contribute essentially. Could you intervene and just remind some of these people that bad faith is not acceptable? I have taken on board what you said, it just not fair that someone who is new and has a different opinion is called both a sock-puppet, a troll and what they have to say is dismissed. Bobert902101 (talk) 13:36, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Outstanding job on the advice you gave. I even took one of the lines for my favorite quotations... User:Born2cycle#Other. --Born2cycle 18:24, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Just a reminder that DEFAULTSORT
is a magic word, not a template, and uses a colon, not a pipe. e.g. ((DEFAULTSORT:Holdstock, Robert))
, not ((DEFAULTSORT|Holdstock, Robert))
—Paul A (talk) 05:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Mike, I was hoping to keep the second ANI focussed on the RfC itself, and your statement is more in line with your request to block Curb Chain. I'd appreciate it if you would move your timeline to the other RfC. RockMagnetist (talk) 15:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I was surprised to find that my ANI about Curb Chain got archived because it had lain dormant for 24 hours. I'm not sure whether it is worth the bother of reinstating it. RockMagnetist (talk) 07:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
What was that all about? RockMagnetist (talk) 01:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
It looks like we've been duped regarding the userfication of New New World Order. After GrandPhilliesFan wasted our time on the DRV and canvassed Jimbo, he didn't even touch the article during the three weeks since you've userfied it to his page. I suspect the whole purpose was to have it undeleted so he can reference it in his thesis or suchlike, assuming the reviewers wouldn't notice it's in the user namespace (or more likely, since GrandPhilliesFan doesn't realize the difference between the two namespaces).
I'll give him a chance to respond, but absent a valid reason, I suggest we undo the move and re-delete per the original AfD and subsequent DRV. Owen× ☎ 15:25, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
File:Beartooth Highway Showing Switchbacks.jpg. Can you take care of this move to Commons? Tks. PumpkinSky talk 20:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I've undertaken the cleaning up of the U.S. state outlines.
Alabama • Alaska • Arizona • Arkansas • California • Colorado • Connecticut • Delaware • Florida • Georgia • Hawaii • Idaho • Illinois • Indiana • Iowa • Kansas • Kentucky • Louisiana • Maine • Maryland • Massachusetts • Michigan • Minnesota • Mississippi • Missouri • Montana • Nebraska • Nevada • New Hampshire • New Jersey • New Mexico • New York • North Carolina • North Dakota • Ohio • Oklahoma • Oregon • Pennsylvania • Rhode Island • South Carolina • South Dakota • Tennessee • Texas • Utah • Vermont • Virginia • Washington • West Virginia • Wisconsin • Wyoming
Please browse through them and let me know what you think. All observations are welcome. The Transhumanist 00:53, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Mike. Just letting you know that to relist RMs you have to make a comment with a timestamp inside the original nomination like this. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 13:13, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Why not be bold and just do it? I created the article, practically no-one else looks at it ... and I'm happy either way. It does have a genuine long-term use, and will be expanded, but the chances of anyone other than me adding to it are minimal, IMO. - Sitush (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello! The move discussion at Talk:Margarita Teresa of Spain has been open for 7 days already. The request has not been opposed so I suppose the article should have been moved. Now that it has been relisted, shall I have to wait another 7 days? Cheers, Surtsicna (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I have left you a response on my talk page. Surtsicna (talk) 18:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I do not care for being reverted. Had you asked, I would have explained that I had other reasons to move that particular page, now explained on the talk page. But I will find another talk page for a test case. JCScaliger (talk) 03:30, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
But this is not a contest, merely a disagreement. I have been firm here because you were uncivil - and because you have ignored the existence of disagreement before. JCScaliger (talk) 04:21, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello Mike,
I don't like polling, but if there must be one, it's ok. Here, what I worried about is:
In previous discussion, I completely obey the Wikipedia:Canvassing rule and have never notify anyone to participate with me, but they notified many people to join, majority of whom are interested in mountainering, few are interested in Tibet, and none are interested in overall Chinese culture. If there will not be a poll, I may accept it reluctantly (actually I reluctantly accept many times in other move discussions); however, if there will be a poll, I don't think I should accept it. I think I may (suppose they notified mountainering participators and Tibetan language participators):
Are these ok? Can I do these? Or what should I do? ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 11:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi! Sorry to bother you again.
I'm sorry if my answering practice has been incorrect on the Shishapangma talk page, but lacking experience on how to reply in talk page, I actually used a similar way of doing (making insertions after clearly stating: Inserted) of user 虞海, see for example this chapter (I don't know either what the template saveto means, this was also added later by user 虞海). I understand that interrupting may render the reading more difficult, but my intention was to address specifically each point, so rather to make the reading more easy in this particular case. I have now seen that the proper way would be to use the template "interrupted", and have edited accordingly a posteriori. Anyway, all my additions were signed since the beginning.
In ABSOLUTELY NO CASE I have been "deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Xixabangma, is considered bad practice", but this is the kind of "advice/warning" I have received on my talk page (section November 2011). I consider this as an attempt to intimidate me or put some doubts on my credibility in the eyes of other editors who would visit my talk page. Is it legitimate to delete the comment, or have it deleted by some admins? Thanks for any suggestion.--Pseudois (talk) 16:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
@Mike: Actually the notification just worked well on Pseudois, the "bad practise" linked him into Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Editing_comments and he learned how to use ((Interrupted)) from it. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 05:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
See T:DYK/Q. Yogo sapphire is in queue 1 and should appear as the lead dyk with photo at 11am today, eastern US time. I think this is the best new article I've ever worked on and truly appreciate all the help. PumpkinSky talk 10:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Mike, I see that you have started motions to rename various articles. I agree with your preferred naming scheme, but it seems unwise to be making these proposals so soon after the debacle with Curb Chain. It is just adding fodder to the critics of WikiProject Bibliographies who think we want to impose our fledgling standards on everyone. I think it would be much better to work on the content of articles (and on the guidelines), and only propose renaming articles after establishing our bona fides. RockMagnetist (talk) 03:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Concerning your “No Consensus” close on the Ľubomír Višňovský RM: In your written reasons for the close you stated “Everyone made a good case based on policy and guidelines”. I am confused by this statement as the RM was nominated based on the established Wikipedia policy of WP:UE, including WP:COMMONNAME, with the Support side providing overwhelming evidence of reliable sources to support the policy-based Requested Move. The Oppose side quoted no established policy at all to oppose the move, instead arguing broad POV concepts of using the “correct” non-English name for biographies. Please enlighten me on exactly what established policy the opposed side based their “good case” upon, because I just don't see it. Dolovis (talk) 15:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, I've listed this for GA. It's the only one in it's category. Any help would be appreciated. We should look at its current state with GA-level in mind. I don't have any experience to speak of at this level, so help would be great. I think we need to expand the lead. PumpkinSky talk 20:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
You have been involved in the recent naming discussion at Talk:Xixabangma. There is a new poll to determine support for the move from Shishapangma to Xixabangma. If you are interested, please provide your opinion here.--Wikimedes (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Mike...the Wyoming article has been having a rash of unrelated items copy and pasted from other articles apparently about child obesity or juvenile delinquency etc...could I get you to watchlist that page and put semi-protection up on it...also, these vandals (probably the same kid) is just creating throw away accounts so they can be blocked...I may submit a checkuser to see if it all the same IP as I bet it is...if you're not interested, I can ask another admin.MONGO 17:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Probably a couple of weeks and then restore it to unprotected. This article doesn't seem to have such persistent vandalism and some edits from IP's have been constructive in the past. Back in the stone ages of Wikipedia when I was an admin whenever a page was semi-protected, we had to slap templates on the article and list the page at a board somewhere so other admins could evaluate our action...hopefully this is no longer the case now. Thanks again. MONGO 12:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Please advise further on why you recently removed Category:Lists of books by topic from List of bridge books. Your edit summary re "redundant" is unclear to me. What is redundant? (1) the existence of the category? or (2) the application of the category to this list? I am indifferent to whether or not the category exists, but if it exists, then it seems to me that the List of bridge books is within its scope. Thanks and regards. BTW, good job on all that fishing stuff - the more people that stay off the golf course the happier I am - I'm sure the reverse is true for you! Newwhist (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
The Teamwork Barnstar | ||
For all the great work in getting Yogo sapphire to Good Article, my first. Thanks to users Dreadstar, Montanabw, Tim1965, Mike Cline, and Gerda Arendt! PumpkinSky talk 01:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC) |
Mike, thanks for closing the RM on Talk:The Mitzvah of sanctifying the Kohen, you're absolutely correct (sorry) that something more in accordance with WP:EN and WP:RS is not sufficient for RM, and not even close to being specific enough for RM. What do you think is the best uninvolved WP space to ask for input into narrowing down vague/general concern about an existing article title into something MOS-compliant that can be proposed as a RM? I was thinking RFC might be a neutral place? Or is there a WP space which is more appropriate to attract uninvolved/neutral 1-step-before-RM discussion? Very best regards, and thanks for your time. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of some major changes and additions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies. I did this for the most part because I linked the project advice section at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists of works#Bibliographies and wanted to make sure the whole page was inline and linked to current policy. This should avoid any objects to the link on the guideline page because its all reflective of our overall guidelines. Having a link from a guideline page gets much scrutiny. I think no one should reject any project "recommendation " because of the neutral-policy based wording. Plus lets face-it its very informative overall. Cant belive we have never meet before now ..have we?Moxy (talk) 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I hope this is ok, but I have re-listed the articles 5 O'Clock and 5 O'clock (song) with a move proposal together at 5 O'clock (song)'s talk page here: Talk:5 O'clock (song)#Requested move 2. I asked on said talk page whether or not I should do so and waited 24 hrs with no response so I just went ahead and did it. There is also new evidence to consider regarding why they should be moved and my move proposal involves slightly different proposed names then others have proposed before. I hope that this helps make things clearer for everyone and not more confusing :-)
I am letting all the editors who were involved in recent discussions know.
Please see the talk page for more info.
Thanks, MsBatfish (talk) 08:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I have decided to reply here first in attempt to avoid some confusion.
I think your numbers are correct assuming you counted Wikimedes as a support Shishapangma vote. Which brings me to my first point. It may be better to list each of the user names under each vote choice like someone did before in a previous attempt at a consensus. That way each editor will see their name and their vote and they will know they were counted. Here is something like it looked before the last time we did a tally of votes:
Shishapangma
*Kauffner *Wikimedes *Ratagonia *Pseudois
Weak Shishapangma
*Nat Krause *hike395
Neutral
*Racerx11
Xixabangma
*Yu Hai *Quigley
It may have been laid out differently at the time but these were the positions a few weeks ago which brings me to my next point. A couple of the editors above did not vote this time around (at least Kauffner and Quigley I think), so may we count their previous positions above as their current vote or just ignore those positions from a few weeks ago and not represent those editors as voting at all?
Thanks for all your help.--Racerx11 (talk) 04:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
And of course now that someone attempted the move, you (or another admin) will have to fix the mess.--Racerx11 (talk) 11:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
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If you Google the word notability and look for recent references, it appears that the Wikipedia editors are re-defining the word from the hopelessly vague ideas of fame, infamy, oddity, etc. to the process done here namely to evaluate what's been published about the topic in a reliable source. The dictionary entry of the future for notability might be "the tests for inclusion of a topic as Wikipedia article." patsw (talk) 18:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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I noticed that you move-protected B'rov am hadrat melech. Why did you do that? The moves were made about three weeks ago, and ever since I warned editors not to make any unilateral moves (so to say), all was quit. I do not think that anybody would move it of his/her own accord, now that the discussion has been closed as "no consensus". Please explain why you deemed it necessary to move-protect this page nevertheless. Debresser (talk) 18:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
The current title does no harm to WP, the current state of the article does. Editors spent a lot of energy in this discussion, including a lot of sourcing, yet the article itself has not benefited substantially from that energy. FIX the article folks. Move protected for 30 days. Mike Cline (talk) 16:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Mike, thanks for your close and comment. I couldn't agree more with the assessment, but attempts to restore deleted academic sources on this article would only invite more personal attacks, and having been stalked there once I personally intend to leave the "article" in the lousy state it is. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Would you mind reverting your close at Talk:Catholic_Memorial_School_(West_Roxbury,_Massachusetts)#Requested_move so more discussion could occur? I, for one, did not get to participate, and I'm sure others would like to weigh in. I think an RFC is in order, because the underlying issue here is general: is additional information in the title like this, which is not necessary for disambiguation, appropriate to be there.
Thanks! --Born2cycle (talk) 02:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Jay E. Adams bibliography, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. If you had read this template, instead of simply deleting it, you would have noticed that redirection is explicitly listed as a remedy for lack of notability, rendering this edit summary completely unfounded. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 03:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Hrafn, I think you should familarize yourself with WP:NOTESAL. This article is a bibliography and subject to the notability standard for lists, not Books. --Mike Cline (talk) 03:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Yea, I looked at that a few days ago. I believe that it is going to be no consensus. But I'll wait and see if anyone jumps in. BTW, any interest in my proposal for a subpage at RM to have discussions on how to close the difficult RMs? I made it a while ago, but I suspect you might see the wisdom and folly in the suggestion after some of the closes you did. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hello Mike (sorry to bring this up again)
I notice you closed these two RM’s (and, fairly even-handedly refused both of them) I’ve been somewhat frustrated by the whole diacritic/no-diacritic dispute (hence not being around much recently). I supported the first move (and would have opposed the second) as I feel policy/guidelines are fairly emphatic that we follow English language usage (ie if a word is used in English with a diacritic in it, we use it, and if not, we don’t (and if English usage is ambivalent we follow ENGVAR and stick with the way it was first written)
So I was puzzled by your comment “Everyone made a good case based on policy and guidelines” as I really can’t see what the policy-based argument is for adding them when not supported by use in English sources ( I appreciate there’s a "Correctness" argument, and that those in favour are pretty insistent about it: I’m not sure that over-rides the guidelines we have, or makes it right) I see Dolovis already asked you this, and I’ve read your reply to him, but I have to say I’m none the wiser; can you give me an idea what you had in mind by that?
You also said that RM wasn’t the forum ("issues involved in this discussion need resolution before requesting moves like this"); can you suggest what the appropriate forum would be? It seems to have been discussed for years, all over the place, and is no nearer an agreement. There also seems to be (on one side) no willingness to adhere to the guidelines we have on the subject, and (on the other) no appetite for changing the guidelines to allow for “natural” diacritic use. And there doesn’t seem to be any possibility/likelihood of a compromise.
You also said there’s no consensus on the subject, and that’s certainly true; what usually happens when two parties can’t agree, and end up being disruptive in the process? Is there a facility for an impartial third party to make a final judgement? To say to one side or the other: “you’re wrong, they’re right, get used to it”? Swanny18 (talk) 23:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Mike, Would it be possible to help move back "Yarlung Tsangpo River" to its original common English title as per discussion on the talk page (discussion closed on 9 May 2009, but the title was changed again on 19 July and 5 August of the same year? I tried to move it back myself, but it wasn't possible for technical reasons and the help of an admin is requested. Thanks, --Pseudois (talk) 04:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Pseudo was mentioning an outdated discussion result to you[edit]The discussion Pseudo mentioned was an outdated one - the Yarlung Zangbo was even once moved to Yalu Tsangpo River by Davidchatet right after the discussion mentioned by Pseudois, showing that there's no consensus about the name by then. The last consensus was reached in 22 Nov 2009, and prefer the term "Yarlung Zangbo". So the article should be moved back to the last ratified one (Yarlung Zangbo River) until new consensus reached. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 08:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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I just found another mistake on a Tibet related page, which I cannot fix alone (or doesn't know how to do correctly). The Tingkye page is redirecting to Zhongba County page (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tingkye&redirect=no, while it should instead redirect towards Dinggyê County. Could you please help fix this bug? Thanks,--Pseudois (talk) 13:51, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
We have someone looking at this for FAC preparation. Casliber is commenting on the article talk page. Help addressing his comments and any FAC comments once we get it there would be appreciated. PumpkinSky talk 12:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)