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-Poli (talk • contribs) 22:03, 2005 July 25 (UTC)
Not sure of the exact source but I think I got it from the encyclopedia brittanica or a book that I read on bodhidharma. 528 is what most people seem to use; i had the same problem as you when I read this in that the dates seem to conflict -ie in one source he died at that date but in the other he was alive at that date. Regardless, that seems to be around the date. Thus the whole idea that the guy is a semilegendary figure in literature. Nothing seems to correlate. Kennethtennyson 04:25, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
What is interesting is that the first source stating that he was persian might be true. Everything else written later on about bodhidharma was written years after the first source and seem to conflict with it. Chinese considered anything west and buddhist from them later on to be indian, but there were persian buddhists west of them in the Sassanid empire. The Sassanid empire was quite buddhist at the time. Regardless, the bodhidharma legends are quite interesting. Kennethtennyson 04:33, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Wow, you're really interested in Bodhidharma - are you Zen buddhist by chance or just a historian buff?Kennethtennyson 21:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
More as inherited individual postures than complete routines. Ride Tiger (跨虎) is a good example. As well as themes such as snake, dragon, crane, etc. Soft stylists traditionally attribute the influence to the time of the Song dynasty Neo-Confucians. Regards, Fire Star 13:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
you wonder why my earlier posts on the subject matter were so vitriolic. I've been dealing with people like this at conferences and on the internet and in publications. you would be amazed at the people out there (especially in regards to Indian history) who have absolutely no ability to see the world beyond their own POV. See the whole Taj Mahal debate. That's why I thoguht there was a Hindutva connection - brainwashing or some form of it. Kennethtennyson 03:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Good work at Baguazhang and the other articles, they look great! Fire Star 16:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Great work with the tables and such, much better than the bullet lists I put in. The book reference was useful as an example too ;)
Interesting to compare the character for blowfish that you added, and the character used by Sun Lutang in his Xingyiquan Xue text for Tai (flycatcher) that I just added. Is this another example of translation or transcription problems? --Medains 06:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, it does seem that it could be just more spam. I didn't want to take it out without looking at it more carefully (which I haven't had time to do, I've been spending most of my time at acupuncture, a debate you may find interesting, BTW). If you want to remove it, I won't object.
Also, there was a proposal to merge the Kung fu, Wushu and Chinese martial arts articles that I've just noticed. It should be possible, but it would make for one whacking huge article! I'm sure there is much redundancy to be eliminated, perhaps with the aid of some shiny html tables! ;-)
Cheers, Fire Star 17:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you suggested a merge. I think Pai Mei should be kept separate as a character in works of fiction, with links to the real life person the character is based on. -Ajshm 10:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I'm wondering if you knew how to input Chinese characters in wikipedia. It's usually # followed by numbers. Could you tell me how to do that? Illusionz 03:56, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi there, I see you have contributed to the Leopard style Kung fu page. There has been another author, 24.131.148.98, who has been adding a lot of content that seems like personal opinion ("its the best of the five elements" etc), which seemed a bit out of place. I was wondering if you could take a gander at it and see if you think some of that content is a bit too much. I don't know enough about the styles to say so, but it sounds like those edits were made by someone who is trying to boast about how their style is the best, etc etc (of course, who doesn't think that, it seems...). If you agree, we could NPOV tag it I guess? I'm not really that up on wiki-procedure with that stuff. I've added a note on the talk page there as well. Cheers. --Vanchuck 05:38, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
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Yo guy, thanks for the reply. The reason I originally wrote the bit on Shaolin Kung Fu was that I used to keep useful bits of information from TV and stuff lying around. That what you read was from a National Geographic article on Shaolin Kung Fu, and I hoped someone would be able to use it in the article. (I kept these things before I knew about Wikipedia).
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JFD, I have a cover picture of Zhou Tong's biography. How do I upload a picture of it? I've gone to the "Upload file" section and tried it before, but It didn't work out the last time I tried putting a picture on Wikipedia.(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 05:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC))
I think the info about Yue Fei expanding Elephant boxing into the 108 qinna techniques should be left on the page. I agree with your statement that the Zhou Tong page isn't a thesis; however, some info should be left that links elepahnt boxing to eagle claw. Otherwise, people are going to read about Zhou Tong's skill in Elephant boxing and say "What the hell is that?"
Maybe a sentence like this, "Elephant boxing was later adapted by Yue Fei to create the 108 qinna techniques of Eagle Claw," something short and too the point. This extra sentence will link the two pages together. I'll leave these changes to you since you seem to be a far more experienced wikipedian than myself. Thanks. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 22:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC))
As far as I know it is correct. I have spoken with a Chinese friend of mine and he assures me that the characters are correct. His actual words were "there are many different kinds of qigong" (as in spelling and context). I believe he even said that the characters used for qigong could also be a variation for the word "technique". I found the info on a chinese website. So if the info is indeed wrong, the original chinese author made the mistake.(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 09:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC))
As I'm sure you have realized by now, Yue Fei is my favorite Chinese general. One thing that doesn't set well with me about him is the number of martial arts attributed to him. Most educated people would guess these styles were not created by him but by others, either before or after Yue Fei's time, whose disciples attributed them to the general because of his legendary status.
The only information I have seen that points to Yue Fei's involvement with Xing Yi is the so-called "Ji family Chronicle" that says Ji Longfeng found Yue Fei's manual of boxing. I think that is it. As you have explained, as well as what I have read, Xingyi, in one form or another, predates Yue Fei. I will, however, accept the very meek possibility that he indeed learned the style at one point in his very busy life. But this raises an interesting question. Did Yue Fei actually train his soldiers in Xingyi?
I don't believe he trained his soldiers in Xingyi at all. My basis for this is that Xingyi is such an advanced art and his soldiers were constantly on the move. I just don't think the average person, under those harsh conditions, would have been able to effectively utilize this style on the battlefield. This could be compared to the “Northern” and “Southern” schools of Shaolin. Originally, “Northern” Shaolin was a softer style (but with hard techniques of course), which took many years to master. During the struggle between Ming loyalists and Qing forces, the “Southern” Shaolin adopted harsher training regimes in order to turn out an effective fighter in a much shorter amount of time. I don’t think Yue Fei’s soldiers were afforded the time necessary to learn this complex system. However, I believe he might have taught them Chuojiao, Fanzi, and the 108 joint-locks techniques. These systems seem to be quicker to learn.
If he did teach it to anyone, I believe he would have taught Xingyi to his most trusted generals. What is your view on this subject? (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 22:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC))
Thanks. I recently found this information about Xinyi quan:
I find it interesting that Master Wang claims Xinyi was also known as "Old Three Punches". Of course this nickname is in reference to the footwork and stance and not the number of fist techniques used. The last sentence is interesting because it makes it sound like the "5 Fists" were not inherent in all of the earliest forms of xinyiquan. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 21:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC))
Sorry for the delay in the reply I believe that the citations above actually came from Zarilli's work and he cited other authors. I don't believe that current historians believe that the Chera and Chola war ever existed. As for the redundancy I can rewrite what i've written. The ban under the Raj is in Zarilli's text and I believe that I've read it in other descriptions of kalaripayattu's history
i think it's necessary to place that he is semi-legendary or legendary to preface the article. most encyclopedias do this... it lends a belief that bodhdiharma was truly a figure in history if you do not. Kennethtennyson 20:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)