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I delayed replying until I had checked the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Nothing there despite some very minor figures with the same name being included. I will try Linn Soc etc.Perhaps you could contact Mike Kearney Best regards Robert
Hi, Invertzoo. Here's the image Image:Tide pools in Mombasa.jpg , which was taken in tide pools in Mombasa, Kenya. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Mila, Nice image of a snail that we did not have represented on WP yet. I just now created a stub for subfamily Vasinae for that image. But I might have to ask the Graphics Lab to crop the image so people can see the snail better. Thanks again, I always like to see what you have seen! I assume you turned the snail over yourself?Invertzoo (talk) 14:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Mila, Nice image of a snail that we did not have represented on WP yet. I just now created a stub for subfamily Vasinae for that image. But I might have to ask the Graphics Lab to crop the image so people can see the snail better. Thanks again, I always like to see what you have seen! I assume you turned the snail over yourself? Invertzoo (talk) 14:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
How about:
... that a colony of Mediterranean land snails Papillifera papillaris lived through English winters for over 100 years on an Italian travertine balustrade in a formal garden, until they were finally discovered in 2004?
Too much characters: 214. There is need to be less than 200 characters. What about this:
... that the successful introduction of Mediterranean land snails Papillifera papillaris to England was discovered after more than 100 years?
Hmm, that's OK, but how about:
... that the Mediterranean land snail Papillifera papillaris lived in England for over 100 years before being discovered?
or:
... that the Mediterranean land snail Papillifera papillaris came to England in an Italian balustrade, over 100 years ago?
Invertzoo (talk) 19:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Very good! DYK hook proposed. I will improve the surrounding image too. --Snek01 (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for putting it up for DYK, and putting it in my name, although I would have been happy to have it be in both our names. By the way, I think the facts in the hook need a clear citation linked directly to them, which they don't really have now, do they? Invertzoo (talk) 20:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
There is not the same scientific name of Alabama heelsplitter in its article and in the article Lasmigona. --Snek01 (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh I see, they are completely different! I will have to do some research later. Maybe there are two species that both have been called that? I don't know. I will let you know later if/when I find something out.Invertzoo (talk) 19:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, it seems that it should be this way:
I don't know where the mistake was made. Anyway, I "moved" the Potamilus inflatus to the title Inflated heelsplitter and changed the text in that article, but right now I have not checked the redirects to see if all is correct there or not.Invertzoo (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC) A small tweak. Invertzoo (talk) 19:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I tried to fix the redirects to read correctly, but I did something wrong I guess because now I cannot get to the Lasmigona article. What did I do? And what should I have done really? Sorry Snek, maybe you know how to fix it. Invertzoo (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you agree? Can I do it like that? Then I will fix it. OK? --Snek01 (talk) 12:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I am certainly no expert on American river mussels, but that sounds perfect to me. Thanks Snek! Invertzoo (talk) 13:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
--Snek01 (talk) 12:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Good work, Snek. I try to go over your contributions list and check the prose/organization on everything you work on. It is nice to see the articles expanding and new articles being created. Invertzoo (talk) 14:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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Gatoclass (talk) 11:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
... that Triodopsis platysayoides is protected by fence at area of greater than 4 km² and likes rock features? --Snek01 (talk) 23:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
There was suggestion to supply an alternate DYK hook, so I suggested one directly at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on November 9. --Snek01 (talk) 10:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Invertzoo. I'm not sure. Will this do? --Geronimo20 (talk) 21:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Geronimo, Thanks! Yes I reckon that will do nicely! Many thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you could help with this one? I think you;'re the ed. with the closest interests, though she did crustacea, not mollusks. DGG (talk) 18:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I did a little work on this article as you requested. Unfortunately I do not have a desk at the AMNH museum, and therefore I cannot get free access to the journals which have the best obituaries of Gordon online, instead, each one requires a fee to be paid. And although I know quite a lot about mollusks and malacologists, I know very little about Crustacea and carcinologists. If something else occurs to me over time, I will make more contributions to this article. If you want to reply to this, please do so on my talk page, thanks. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Tumbling creek cavesnail - article expanded and probably finished. There is no much information about this little one. --Snek01 (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
OK, looks good, I cleaned up the prose. Invertzoo (talk) 17:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Invertzoo. I admit I prefer short paras, per most "writing for the web" guides, but WP:MOS perversely prefers longer ones. --Philcha (talk) 18:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Philca, As far as I can tell, the paragraph use in Mollusc does not contravene any of the WP MOS guidelines:
"Paragraphs should be short enough to be readable, but long enough to develop an idea. Overly long paragraphs should be split up, as long as the cousin paragraphs keep the idea in focus."
"One-sentence paragraphs are unusually emphatic, and should be used sparingly. Articles should rarely, if ever, consist solely of such paragraphs."
It seems to me that intro sections are one place that often really can benefit from short paragraphs, because ideas or themes are not developed there, but merely stated so that they can be developed later on in the body of the article.
Very best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 19:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Image:Cymbiola magnifica.jpg cropped and uploaded as a new file Image:Cymbiola magnifica edit 1.jpg for DYK. --Snek01 (talk) 20:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
As far as images/templates go, the "clear" commands prevent any text that follows from being displayed until prior images/templates have finished displaying. The variants are:
Also sometimes useful when images are getting in the way, is forcing the TOC (table of contents at the top) to the left, ((TOCleft)), or to the right, ((TOCright)). --Geronimo20 (talk) 21:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all very useful info about the templates for clearing, I really appreciate it. One more thing: do you know why two of the images on the Siphon article are not appearing right now? Is it because the server is a bit overloaded at this time of day and things are running slow? And maybe those images are very big files? Does that matter do you think or not? Invertzoo (talk) 21:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with your second suggestion (disambiguation page and a separate neuroanatomy article). --Geronimo20 (talk) 23:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm a bit tired and it's a bit late, but I had a go at making those changes. I will check it again tomorrowInvertzoo (talk) 02:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Could you, please, check out Valvata utahensis once more. I have added public domain the description by Bryant Walker. --Snek01 (talk) 23:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
OK. I fixed it up pretty good. Invertzoo (talk) 02:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, you just made an edit with the summary "remove tags to place them on the Siphon neuroanatomy talkpage". I don't understand what is going on here. Could you clarify, please? Fyi, "pallium" is a very important term in neuroanatomy -- it denotes the part of the brain that becomes the neocortex in mammals. Regards, looie496 (talk) 22:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I have verified your article for DYK, but I also left the following message: "currently the only inline citations in the article are all for the three hook facts. So while this article is waiting to be put in the queue, please work on adding more inline citations wherever you can." —Politizer talk/contribs 05:06, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Invertzoo. I'm not sure the images is of any use to you, but just in case here they are:Image:Sea otter fith shells at Moss Landing.jpg, Image:Sae otter on moss landing 1.jpg,Best.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Mila! Oh yes that is useful, thanks. I believe the species of clam that the sea otter is eating is an invasive species, Mya arenaria, the soft-shell clam, so I put one of the images in that article. By the way, if you are still in the area and if you know one of the park service naturalists, can you ask them whether they know if the soft-shell clam Mya arenaria has been recorded from their part of the coast? It lives buried in mud on mud flats. Invertzoo (talk) 15:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi again Mila, OK, I had to look it up, but I guess there might be someone at the Elkhorn Slough National Estuarine Research Reserve who would know (perhaps). I could try to call them and ask I guess. To answer your question about "amazing things", it is just that you have been to so many different places on dry earth and under the water, and you have seen so many different very, very beautiful things, in the sea, on the land and in the sky. Wow. When I look at your photos I see what you have seen, and I am blown away. Part of it is that you know how to "look" ... which most of us don't know, but another part is that you and your camera have been to some really beautiful places. As for the yellow crab, yes that was clever of you to notice that: it is a pea crab, also see [1]. These little crabs live inside a lot of bivalves, They don't seem to do much damage and were considered to be symbiotic. Apparently now they are considered to be parasitic, however there is no real citation for that piece of information, but even if it is true, the clams I have seen that had pea crabs in them appeared to be perfectly healthy, so the damage must only be very mild. So I should put one of the images in the pea crab article too! Great! Best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 21:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Until a sea otter gets the host.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Invertzoo. It is not very important matter, but the sea otter brought up at least three clams as you could see from this image Image:Sea otter with shells 1.jpg, which was taken only a second before the one that is in the article now. I believe you think that the broken one she has in her paws and the one she has on her belly are two part of the same clam, but they are not. These are two different clams. So she has two clams on her belly (not yet opened) and one broken in her paws, which means she brouht up three clams. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Mila, Yes, I was having a lot of difficulty working out how many clams there were. At first I thought three, and then I started to think maybe it was only two. I wonder: do you think she must have brought one up in her mouth and one in each paw? I don't know how sea otters do these things. Invertzoo (talk) 18:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Article expanded: Flat pebblesnail (Lepyrium showalteri). --Snek01 (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Invertzoo, I hope your back is better.
I'd like to ask you a question please. I took this image Image:Mussel at Ocean Beach.jpg few days ago. Could you please tell me, if the "hairs" are part of the animal and if, yes, what purpose they serve? Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Mila, Was this taken at Ocean Beach, San Francisco? Because there is also an Ocean Beach in San Diego. Thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 22:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I just started article Euspira lewisii, but there already is Polinices lewisii. Which one is a valid name? --Snek01 (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I have to say that don't know the literature hardly at all, so I am not absolutely sure who worked on the somewhat recent revision of the Naticidae, but I think it was Alan Kabat:
Before his revision, Naticidae had more or less only two genera: Natica with a calcareous operculum, and Polynices (genus) with a protein operculum. But now there are several more genera. I think the family needed a revision, and he is an expert on this family, so I think I would trust him and go with Euspira. Invertzoo (talk) 15:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)