Olá meu amigo, tudo bem (as nossas selecções já foram, quer dizer a tua, a minha nem por isso, sendo Portugal um Brasil B)?
Sobre a primeira parte do título da mensagem: fogo, que gajo mais obscuro, procurei em NATIONAL-FOOTBALL-TEAMS.COM, nada, procurei em FORADEJOGO.NET (pensava que continha todos os jogadores que já jogaram em Portugal, e ele jogou um jogo), nada, em BDFUTBOL.COM nada de estatísticas em Espanha (vê por exemplo o plantel do CD Ourense em 1994-95, não aparece http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/t/t1994-9568.html - e pela história sabemos que não jogou oficialmente pelo SD Compostela).
Além disso, o "link" que puseste de um blog qualquer já "rebentou". Felizmente, arranjei, também em espanhol, um site oficial - El País - que contém a sua biografia, e lá diz - daí a minha alteração no artigo - que também não jogou pelo Ourense de maneira oficial. Vê as alterações e espero que gostes...
Na tua ausência, o amigo Zombie já teve direito a uma discussão no WP:FOOTY (ver aqui http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#User:Zombie433), e pensas que liga? Continua com o "overlinking", o seu "Inglês especial", criar categorias atrás de categorias, etc.
Sobre outro utilizador: não me quero armar em má-língua (e ainda bem que fizeste "as pazes" com o tipo), mas que tipo mais arrogante é o Matthew hk, 90% das mensagens são a ameaçar com bloqueios e etcs. Ao contrário do outro, ao menos reconhece que não domina nada da língua inglesa, mas não sabe ter uma palavra amiga, e é pena.
Para finalizar - só agora olhei como deve ser - os meus parabéns pela tua página de utilizador, muito fixe, e com muitos "prémios", aposto que todos merecidos. Se quiseres ver a minha, perdes três segundos :( Abraços amigos, bom fim-de-semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:27, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
No entanto, se fores para a frente, e precisares de ajuda com alguma coisa, apita que eu faço o melhor que puder. Abraços, boa semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Da siguran sam, navijac sam Vojvodine, stoga dosta pratim situaciju u i oko kluba. Mojsov je potpisao prethodne zime za klub, ali zbog nekih "problema", vezanih za njegov prethodni klub Makedoniju Gjorce Petrov, on je postao igrac Vardara, koji je preuzeo igrace iz Makedonije GJP(mislim da se Makedonija GJP, fuzionisala sa Vardarom i prestala da postoji). Uprava Vojvodine je iznela problem pred UEFA-u, i zbog cinjenice da je Mojsov vec potpisao za klub, UEFA je presudila u nasu korist. Od Vojvodine se zahtevalo da isplati novac koji je dugovala Makedoniji, na ime transfera Mojsova(tu je i nastao bio problem na pocetku). Znam da je ovo malo konfuzno napisano ali se nadam da si razumeo. Klub je to, koliko znam, uradio i sada je Mojsov i zvanicno igrac Vojvodine
Pozdrav —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.200.139.145 (talk) 10:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
No concerns, sounds good to me. JJ (talk) 19:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Ciao, ho trovato qui http://emeroteca.coni.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=6039&p=2#page/2/mode/1up un riferimento a Monsideri (pagina 2, dove c'è l'articolo "Tre giocatori in prova allo stadio"), un portiere di una delle squadre di Zagabria: secondo te si tratta della stessa persona? Ci sono due notizie sulla sua permanenza in Italia, che fece il provino al Napoli e che era fuggito dalla Jugoslavia.. eventtualmente non è che mi potresti aiutare con la traduzione dalla voce di Monsider dalla wikipedia croata? 93.32.243.70 (talk) 09:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Born in Zagreb... is a Croatian international goalkeeper and manager. During WWII, he was a Croatian (NDH) Air Force pilot.
Croatia
He started playing football as a 10 years old high school (high school? with 10 years old?) kid in Požega. In 1934 he returns to his birth city, Zagreb, continues his studies in the III high school, and plays with the less known NK Juventus Zagreb. Next, he playes with NK Mladost Zagreb, NK Trgovački Zagreb (1937-38) and HŠK Ferraria Zagreb (1938-39). In 1939 he moves to HŠK Concordia Zagreb where he plays until 1945 winning with them the 1942 Croatian First League. In 1945, with the end of the Second World War, he signs with NK Dinamo Zagreb playing with them until 1948. On 26 ozujak 1948 in Trieste, before the league (Yugoslav First League) match against Poziana Trieste, together with Josip Babić, he leaves his teamates and emigrates.
Emigration
He signs with Lazio SS. Club direction, together with the Italian Football Federation officially asked from the Yugoslav Football Federation from Belgrade the necesary documents so he could start playing for Lazio. But the club and Monsider had to wait for the documents more than a year and a half. Because of this, Lazio loans him to Calcio Padova where he plays the second half of the 1949-50 season. After the end of that season, he returns to Rome and joins the newly formed Hungaria FbC that was formed by renamed footballers from the Eastern Block countries, such as Ladislao Kubala, György Sárosi, Gyula Zsengellér, Ferenc Nyers, Aleksandar Aranđelović and others that were representing Italian clubs in that period. Their coach was a Slovakian emigrant Ferdinad Daučik, who until the end of the World War II was the main coach of the Slovakian national team. In several tournaments held in Spain and Latin America they archived great results, and their goalkeeper Monsider was among the most distinguished. That was the main reason why Monsider signed with Colombian club Universidad Bogotá. He made excellent axhibitions during the one year he had a contract with them. After that season, Monsider returns (me saying: returns?) to Spain and installs himself in Barcelona. The decition of the Spanish Football Federation that forbitten domestic clubs of signing foreign players changed Monsider´s plans, since the law was made official only 24 hours prior to his signing with FC Barcelona.
National team career
In 1941, just before the start of the World War II, he plays one match in Budapest against Hungary for the Yugoslav B national team. For the Croatian national team he played 6 matches between 1942 and 1943, 3 of them against Slovakia, and one against Hungary, Switzerland and Romania, receving a total of 6 goals in those matches. He also played one match for the Croatian youth natioanl team (under-21), in 1943 in Padova against Italy, and he also played 4 matches for the Zagreb sub-association team. He played a total of 7 matches for the Yugoslav national team.
Coaching career
After the impossibility to sign with FC Barcelona, in 1952, he studied the national coaching school in Barcelona, and finished it as the 5th best among 30, becoming a licenced coach of the Spanish Football Federation. But, C.D. Sabadell from Barcelona offered him better conditions and a 2 years contract, having Monsidered accepted the offer staying with the club until 1955. Between 1955 and 1961 he coached several teams in the 2nd and 3th Spanish Leagues: Barakaldo CF, Terrassa FC, Unió Esportiva Sans, CE L´Hospitalet. After 2 years in Italy, 1 in Colombia, and 10 in Spain as a coach, in 1961 Monsider leaves Europe and moves to USA. Since football there was played mostly by European emmigrants of divesrse nationalities, Monsider coached some amater and semi-amater clubs such as Croatian club Toronto Croatia.
There are some grammar and logical inconsistences, as the "return to Spain" sentence, but I translated to you the most precise as possible to the version found there. FkpCascais (talk) 23:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
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Barnstar strameritata, per aver fatto a me e ad it.wiki un enorme favore!! 93.32.241.124 (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC) |
Hehe, wasn´t necessary but feels good! Molte grazie. FkpCascais (talk) 16:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
A Serbian and Serb are technically one and the same, even if they are not from Serbia itself. The two versions of the word are interchangeable, with Serbian being more formal in the English speaking world.
As for my most recent edit concerning the List of... page, I'm not sure which flag you believe I removed/changed apart from the flag of the Republic of Serbian Krajina, which in fact did not have any emblem on it (you may check the article itself) the remainder however I left untouched. There are several flags which are unsourced not to mention unofficial, for instants the flag of Serbian Vojvodina, first Serbian uprising (no official flag) and archaic flags. (Buttons (talk) 23:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC))
Moving on to more important matters concerning the flags. My main intention in editing was grammar correction and making the page more aesthetically appealing. In future edits I might just move some stuff around or change the way something is written to make the page more simple and organized. Like this page for example: List of German flags. Unfortunately Serbian related articles have a tendency to be a little messy and disorganized, know what I'm saying? Cheers (Buttons (talk) 00:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC))
Então amigo que tal vai isso (pelo que vejo, WIKI-bem, mais uma estrelinha, eu nem cheirá-las...não não, não estou com ciúmes, descansa :))
As notícias: o User:Matthew hk foi bloqueado, após continuar com as dele (ameaçar com bloqueios por erros de nada! Pediram-lhe para pedir desculpa, respondeu "nada disso, estavas a pedi-las", assim mesmo!). Continuou a editar anónimo, eu "topei" e relatei, e já lhe pediram para se identificar, continuam à espera. Enfim...
O pedido: um utilizador Croata anónimo insultou-me no sumário do Tomislav Ivković, depois de eu me esfalfar a tentar melhorar o artigo (eu não insultei, posso ter sido um pouco brusco): tenho esta abordagem de, sempre e quando os jogadores tenham carreiras suficientemente grandes em clube e selecção, de só por CLUB CAREER e INTERNATIONAL CAREER, o COACHING não é preciso, se treinar um clube vai na secção #1, se for na selecção vai na #2, só se for uma carreira de jogador muito pequena (Óscar Tabárez por exemplo) é que opto por PLAYING CAREER e COACHING C. Se quiseres dar uma olhadela, não me parece assim tão horrível como ele chama (já lhe deixei uma mensagem, mas se o IP dele for dinâmico, nem sequer a vai ver).
Tudo de bom, abraços - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Abraços (e pois é, é uma questão de negociação isto tudo...), ótima semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Recently you made a number of statements directed at me on the mediation case page [1], [2]. I consider this disruptive to the progress of the mediation. I may not have been clear in some of the things I said, or you may have have misunderstood something. It seems to me important to resolve this. To move in that direction, I have two requests: 1) Would you be willing to remove those statements from the mediation case page? and, 2) If you have questions about anything I have said or done, would you be willing to ask them on my talk page? Please bear in mind that you and I are not in dispute—and I would like to keep it that way. I am on the road right now, so it may be several hours or even a day or two until I will be able to respond. Sunray (talk) 17:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I have momentary access to the Internet and noticed you hadn't done anything about those remarks, so I moved them to my talk page. You would be most welcome to continue there if you wish. I intend to review what you have said and respond to you, but will have only sporadic access for the next few days. Once I've responded and heard your further thoughts, I will summarize our discussion for the other participants. Fair enough? Sunray (talk) 18:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
http://kramarsic.com/PDF/hajduk/hajduk02.pdf in pratica potresti trovare molti dati sul calcio dalmata, magari ti può essere utile.. 93.32.224.66 (talk) 22:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi and thank You for discussing the article. I was also not shure what to do with the new merger of clubs from Sevojno and Uzice, but the article "FK Sevojno" states:
So, because of this last thing I thought that the new club is actually the successor to FK Sloboda Uzice, so I made a redirect to "FK Sloboda Uzice" article. Do You agree or do You think we need new article "FK Sloboda Point Sevojno"? Vanjagenije (talk) 23:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
FYI I moved your message about the Mk V bot to it's talk page. Still awaiting respone from task sponsor. –xenotalk 18:41, 18 July 2010 (UTC) P.S. Might I reccomend WP:ARCHIVING your talk page? It is quite large!
http://www.sampdorianews.net/storage/sampdorianews.net/palla_in_campo/02052010.pdf magari può servirti, anche se è di un calciatore del recente passato.. 93.32.240.175 (talk) 20:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
visto che t'interessi anche del calcio yugoslavo tra le due guerre ti passo quest'indizio un po' fumoso :)), io ho ampliato la sua voce in italiano di un pochino però vagando sulla rete ho trovato che c'era un Ossoinak tra i primi giocatori di Fiume e forse tra i fondatori di una delle squadre cittadine.. vagando poi su en.wiki ho visto che c'è un Luigi Ossoinack e ho il vago sospetto che possa essere stato suo parente e quindi ci sarebbe la possibilità di ricostruire il calcio in quella città, se si riuscisse a dimostrare un legame tra queste persone.. ed in questo caso la voce su Ossoinach in inglese dovrebbe essere ampliata di un bel po': tu che dici, si può trovare qualcuno in quella città (magari sulla wikipedia croata c'è un italofono) che possa fare delle ricerche in materia o c'è il rischio che i fatti della seconda guerra mondiale abbiano distrutto fonti relative? Per quanto riguarda le differenze tra le lettere finali del cognome: noi italiani siamo davvero imbranati con le lingue, quando ci cimentiamo con le altre lingue facciamo solo disastri e facciamo solo ridere, per cui capitava regolarmente che i cognomi di origine dalmata o istriana venissero (magari anche nello stesso articolo) scritti in maniera diversa e questo capitò sinchè mussolini (per altri motivi) ordinò che tutti i cognomi che non "suonavano" italiano dovevano per leggere essere italianizzati, creando altri pasticci.. per cui imho se si cerca notizie su una persona di quella zona vissuta in quel periodo bisogna cercare con ogni possibile diversa combinazione finale.. 93.32.244.127 (talk) 08:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Fkp, could you take a look at FK Novi Sad? It's pretty badly written and I believe this is an area of interest to you. --Nuujinn (talk) 21:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
You welcome, buddy. :) I did some slight changes. The only problem is with interwar footballers. There aren't many records about them, and even some national team members have unknown dates and places of death. Another problem are their names. These interwar footballers were all born before the fall of European empires. Most of them were thus born in Austria-Hungary. As a result, many of them could have misspelled names or surnames. It was a part of popular folklore back then. Since the 1918 independence, many of such people changed their names and surnames to purer versions as part of Czechization, which was going on back then. German surnames became suddenly Czech, like Schubert -> Šubrt. Same with Polish surnames, like Piątkiewicz -> Piatkevič. Also formerly misspelled or Germanized surnames turned back to their Slavic form, like Stiastny -> Šťastný or Schmeykal -> Šmejkal. It was a wild era, and also that's why it is so hard to determine now if names of some people from that period are misspelled in literature or are actually correct. - Darwinek (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Olá Filipe, Vasco "por aqui",
a sério que não percebi a tua "cena" no Pablo Coira, e por muito que o meu sumário tenha sido um pouco exagerado. O CANYSP não fez só actualizar as estatísticas do jogador, também voltou a pôr os nomes todos no box - por exemplo, achas que Budapest Honvéd FC deve estar todo na caixinha? Ou este clube? Ou este? Eu acho que não, e para quem gosta do nome todo, tem sempre a história, o artigo em si, realmente não percebo a confusão...
Assim que vi que tinha "desactualizado" as estatísticas, pu-las lá logo, só não actualizei o PC. E não, eu não tenho sempre razão, longe disso, não sei como assumiste isso. Abraços, bom fim-de-semana - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Parece-me bem mais "tolerante" que alguns tipos que comprimem quer o "box" quer a história/artigo. Já propus a discussão e não houve consenso de nenhuma das vezes, apenas me disseram que os únicos clubes que tem que ser totalmente "piped" são os Ingleses/Britânicos, nada mais...
Tenho a certeza que o compadre Canysp é um gajo porreiro, e só quer é ajudar, espero que ele não leve a mal (aliás mandei-lhe uma mensagem a explicar a "cena"). Jogadores Húngaros? Editei muito poucos em 4 anos sabe-se lá porquê, hoje estou numa onda de velhitos Jugoslavos (podes ir vendo as minhas contribuições e vê se está tudo bem). Abraços amigo(s) - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:58, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Bom, eu meto SEMPRE "National team data", nos Sérvios e em qualquer outro país. Eu não pesco nada de Sérvio, mas parece-me que esse site versa mais sobre os jogadores enquanto internacionais não é (e já agora o que quer dizer "REPREZENTACIJA"?). Se reparares, o mítico site "national-football-teams.com" é sobre os internacionais dos diversos países, e também tem estatísticas dos clubes. No entanto, fica descansado, não vou reverter. Boa "sesta" - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 02:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Can you show me where was this decision made? And also if it is important to every biography or the consensus is only for infoboxes of athletes? --Sulmues (talk) 21:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello,
I haven't been doing much of anything, to be honest (at least not on wikipedia). I've been on holyday myself, and haven't even visited wikipedia for several weeks, for lack of time and enthusiasm. I just saw your message by chance, really. I think I'll take some time to return later this week. cheers, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 12:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Are you sure that we can trust Playerhistory (that Diego is Roque's brother)? Here in BBC Roque's profile [4] only 2 brothers: Julio and Oscar (killed in car accident) were mentioned. WTM (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi FkpCascais, I hope all is well. I noticed you reverted my edits to Srečko Katanec, Darko Pančev, Slaven Bilić, Vahid Halilhodžić articles in which I've updated the infobox template and introduced a somewhat different format for their birth countries. I thought I would change it in a few articles to see what it would look like. To be honest, I'm tired of reverting edits from anonymous editors amost every single day who replace SFR Yugoslavia with Croatia/Bosnia and Hezegovina and so forth, so I think some kind of compromise solution might be in order. I ran into Edgar Davids article the other day, which I though had a nice compromise about his situation (being born in Suriname which was at the time part of the Neherlands). I was never entirely happy with putting in "SFR Yugoslavia (present-day Croatia/Serbia/etc)" (ascan be seen in some biography infoboxes of Yugoslav artists) as this might be interpreted to mean that the whole country is just differently called today. I was going to ask you what you thought about this and I changed these articles to illustrate my proposal. I'm just sick and tired of reverting vandalism on ex-Yugoslav player articles and I think some sort of compromise is in order to reduce the number of reverts needed on a daily basis. As for the "SFR" prefix, I simply don't think it's necessary (if that's so important, we should probably rename the national team's article "SFR Yugoslavia national football team", which is currently a redirect). You can imagine the sort of complications this would lead to. Also, while I was editing Katanec and Pančev's infoboxes, I noticed they were two of the large number of players whose careers were interrupted with the compulsory JNA service (for example, Katanec didn't really play anywhere in the 1984-85 season, and Pančev skipped the 1988-89 season for the same reason). I was planning to ask your opinion about whether we should put JNA in their infoboxes (and all other such players) to indicate this (as it is already the case with Pančev's entry at Reprezentacija.rs). Although players such as these effectively stopped playing league football for a season, some of them were still somewhat active as army garrisons competed in the preliminary rounds of the Yugoslav Cup every year. Best regards. Timbouctou 09:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
This does not concern the relations of you and me. But, you were involved in in the mediation dispute involving direktor's insistence that DM was a nazi. Well, he has gone about insisting that the chetniks were nazi - check the Yugoslav Front page. I have tried to do some stuff but it's in vain. He keeps changing it back. Perhaps you could do something there. (LAz17 (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)). And on a side note... hopefully we'll get gold o'er in Turkey soon. :) (LAz17 (talk) 21:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)).
Hey Fkp I hope all is well and that you haven't stopped editing (I know myself how Wikipedia tests one's patience all too often). I've noticed that the FR Yugoslavia article (about the country) redirects to Serbia and Montenegro and I was wondering wouldn't it be an elegant solution once and for all for players' infoboxes to adopt a policy to drop the "SFR" and "FR" prefixes and simply go with "Kingdom of Yugoslavia", "Yugoslavia" and "Serbia and Montenegro" as countries of birth? Sure, Serbia & Montenegro was known as FR Yugoslavia 1992-2003, but it was essentially the same country when it was renamed for the last 3 years of its existence and since we already agreed that the Kingdom of Yugoslavia should be used for the period 1918-1940 (ignoring the SHS official name used for the first 11 years of its existence) this shouldn't be a precedent. What do you think? Timbouctou 15:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
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Hi. I'm fed up with this and I have proposed here that the mediation should just end, so the article can be rewritten and improved. What do you think ? cheers, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 21:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
JJG should understand that he'll not be able to "kill the piece of shit" on his own terms (I really ought to copy-paste that on ANI). He should realize that he'll not simply be allowed to have his way once the mediation is over, and that he may count on his "killing of the piece of shit" will likely be reverted almost immediately. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 11:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)