Hi, I think I now qualify for this:
If you need more info let me know.— Rod talk 07:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear Durova, I do greatly appreciate your sensitivity as well as courage regarding your recent suggestions about using the 613 Mitzvot article. IZAK (talk) 10:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The Special Barnstar | ||
You are a very brave and wise person. See Wikipedia:Barnstars: "The Special Barnstar may be awarded to a user as a gesture of appreciation..." With best wishes, IZAK (talk) 10:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC) |
OK, here goes, I thought of something we could work on. There is no article about the Israel Defense Forces Women's Corps known as "Chen" in Hebrew, an abbrevaition for "Cheil Nashim" ("Women's Corps"). In the main Israel Defense Forces article there is a sub-section for Women in the IDF, but there is no full-blooded in-depth analytical well-researched comprehensive article on this topic, and the time is ripe to write one because since the creation of Israel in 1948 the policy of its secular political leaders has always been to have young women conscripted like men (they serve two years instead of three) something that no other modern nation has ever done. Not a single Arab or Islamic nation requires any (certainly not a majority of) its females to do compulsory military training! There are many reasons for Israel's tradition of conscripting its young women. One is that Israel has few citizens compared to the Arabs so it needs every person's service. Another reason is that the state uses the army as a great integrator and socializer of a society that is made up of Jews who arrive/d from many different countries and cultures. It is also a continuation of the Socialist egalitarian mind-set of Israel's early pioneers where young men and women worked and defended the land together, as in the Kibbutz ethic. Israeli females' role in the IDF has expanded in recent years and wowmen have begun to serve in other roles outside of the Women's Corps, see this recent article in Haaretz for example IDF commission to recommend women soldiers serve in all units (17/09/2007) and this IDF to integrate more women in army (March 8, 2007) about the most recent trends. Another important issue is that service in the army by women, or the refusal to serve, reflects the various political and religious positions of Israeli society, its religious leaders and the political parties that reflect those views. Thus all those affiliated with Haredi Judaism absolutely forbid their daughters or women from their groups to go to the army upon pain of being excommunicated. This was also a great political debate and an arrangement was reached to relieve very religious girls from serving, see Religion in Israel#The secular-religious Status Quo. The ssue of conscription of women should have its own article actually called Giyus banot meaning "conscription or the drafting of women" (the word "banot" means "daughters" in Hebrew.) There are those who are part of Religious Zionism who allow and encourage their daughters to serve in a non-military National Service that the state offers (such as teaching or communal work in places where there are needs for this), but most secular Israeli female high school graduates have no choice but to submit to the rules of the state and fulfil their two years of compulsory army training with many doing so enthusiastically, see this 9 minute YouTube short about IDF Israel female soldiers or this shorter 4 minute version from MySpace Women Of The IDF. These young women, like the young men, will not go to college and will not be accepted for jobs unless they first serve, so that this means that the Israeli college population starts out at a later age than in Western countries and results in a student body that is more focused and more serious (as befits soldiers.) Take a look at this Women of the IDF on the Jewish Virtual Library, it's a reliable source and see the links there. See this Israel Women in the IDF (from CIA World Factbook 1988). There are many more articles online and it's a great topic. Feel free to start the article with the material and the comments I have made here. I have no doubt you will enjoy it, and I would help out as best I can. Thanks again. IZAK (talk) 11:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I left a nomination at your triple crown nomination page, but since you requested a note to be left on your talk page, here you go:
Cheers, Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 10:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
See User:Qst. He seems like he qualifies for at least one Triple Crown, and that came after his community-ban got lifted and while he was on parole. His featured contribution is portal, Portal:England, the first DYK I found on a random search through his archives was Francis George Anstey, and a random GA would be Bill and Peter's Bogus Journey. He also has 12 more GAs and 6 more DYKs. Maxim(talk) 13:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
And I will call it wikitroll.org
I cannot believe how often that word is used to abuse people! Igor Berger (talk) 19:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Through centuries what has changed? It is just a Rose as by other name.
Wow, I really don't know how to answer that question without coming over as a little arrogant :). But yes, I wouldn't mind, whichever is easiest for you :) Qst (talk) 20:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
sent--Filll (talk) 20:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello again,
While surfing some articles I stumbled over this, and, verifying your Mentoree's contribution history since the RfArb, also came up with this and this.
In the first two cases, he completely wipes any occurrence of the word "Palestine" from the article, even where completely justified (i.e. referring to the region before 1948, before Israel even existed), and in the first case with a very misleading summary. In the third, he gets a sourced statement and turns it completely on its head.
Tendentious editing is nothing new regarding your Mentoree, but it looks to me that since the closure of the RfArb, he hast only been looking for relatively quiet, low-profile articles in which to systematically push his POV.
As with the last time I contacted you regarding your Mentoree, I thought it might be wiser to give you a "heads up" before taking this to enforcement.
Cheers and thanks, pedro gonnet - talk - 29.01.2008 07:45
User:Durova there is a very big problem when editors calling other editors Trolls. We need to educate ourselves as to what is an Internet Troll. When I tried to add the caveat to Troll (Internet) it was deleted pointing me to a link on the top of the page to Wikipedia essay on Wikipedia:What is a troll. In my opinion one small link is not enough and the issue needs to be made more prominent following Folksonomy. Can you chime in on it Talk:Troll_(Internet)#Wikipedia_Troll. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 08:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
for this you deserve a cookie.
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I lol'd. daveh4h 21:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it would help to explain my take on this by analogy. Someday an editor may come to Wikipedia who consistently writes good articles and featured articles about sex scandals connected to the Catholic Church. Is that POV-pushing? Not really, if the community approves each of the articles as neutral and balanced. Some Catholic editors might be unhappy, but the way to resolve that is to raise the quality of other material. There's a wikiproject whose whole purpose is to improve Wikipedia's coverage of saints' biographies. That's really not much different from my offer, except that one religion is older and more established than another. DurovaCharge! 00:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
If that's all they do, then they are a single-purpose account. People that do that are generally emotional nutcases who could never compromise on anything or follow policy when it leads to edits they don't like, and I can't think of any example otherwise. They may sometimes be forced to compromise out of the fear of being blocked, but their whole modus operandi is to skirt policy in any way that they can in order push a particular point-of-view.
For an idea of my perspective on Wikipedia, see M:Conflict-driven view of wiki, M:Factionalism, M:Wikindividualism, and WP:FAIL. Also, see my essays WP:WIARRM and WP:Zombies. If any of that makes you think I'm "anti-Wiki", there is a satirical essay at WP:Anti-Wikipedianism. ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 00:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Two English gentlemen are sitting down, having a cup of tea.
"I say, old chap. What is that there in the distance?" one of them asks, squinting his eyes.
The other replies, "Well, I don't know, old bean. Hmm. It appears to be a tiger of some sort."
A saber-toothed tiger zips over to them in a blur, leaps on top of them, knocking their teacups to the ground, clobbering both of them, ripping both to pieces.
Destruction is what trolls, vandals, and bad-faith users do to our wiki. I agree with WP:No angry mastodons and in assuming good faith, but on the other hand, you don't invite a tiger to sit down with you and drink tea. In discussions about trolls, I've even had several folks ask the absurd question, "Troll -- according to whom?"
It is true that I have a tendency to idiotically assume bad faith and be irrationally paranoid, at times, but I generally acknowledge fault when I'm wrong (see here) On the other hand, I do see that Wikipedia, in general, is very complacent about dealing with POV-pushing trolls and mobs.
Also, an essay of mine you might like better is: User:Zenwhat/Zen guide ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 04:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't read German, but I'm good with Google, including its translator and think I know what those words say. First, I did a search and the correct German, from what I see, should read:
"Siehe, die Bäume SIND, Die Häuser, die wir bewohnen, bestehen noch. Wir nur ziehen allem vorbei, wie ein luftiger Austausce." [2]
From what I gather, it's from his poem, "Elegies from the Castle of Duino," and it says:
"Behold, there are trees, the houses we inhabit, existing still. We just move over everything, like a dizzy exchange."
19th and 20th century philosophers, artists, and scientists in the west have largely re-discovered ancient eastern concepts. ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 04:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, Durova, for your fair-mindedness. I have made my final statement on the WikiNews thing over at WP:ANI and am finished tilting at that particular windmill. I will not be looking at WikiNews again if I can help it and certainly will no longer be surprised at what I see there. Thank you for you offer to create some articles. There are actually two very good articles that were AfD'ed by "another editor" about two months ago. They were quite good, represent considerable effort on the part of the author (User:Slightlyright, if I recall), and need very little work to get back up. They are in my user space as User:JustaHulk/Sandbox1 (KRC), User:JustaHulk/Sandbox2 (ARC). Please let me know what you think of them. Thanks again. --JustaHulk (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
For a moment, could we set aside the particulars about which religion this is? I don't see an inherent problem with having articles about the central tenets of any significant religion. The key thing is to establish and maintain some objective distance. Wikipedia's trinity article doesn't encourage readers to become trinitarians, nor does it offer a wholly internal triniatrian perspective. If JustaHulk's sandbox versions expand beyond Hubbard's formulation to set these concepts in the context of their history within Scientology and independent academic study, then it appears to me they could both become viable articles. DurovaCharge! 05:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
From what I see here, it looks like there's a big gap between the level of sourcing that gets tolerated for a run-of-the-mill article and the actual quality of a GA or FA. For instance, Category:Sikh beliefs is really sketchy and basic. Ideally I'd like to see JustaHulk's sandbox pages at GA or FA level; I'd like to see all articles at that level. But I have to concede this point: with a bit of expansion and outside sourcing these would be at the same quality as comparable coverage for other religions. So first, let's get enough expansion and independent sourcing to move this into article space. Then let's see about continuing to improve them where more people can see the articles and contribute to them. DurovaCharge! 00:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Homeopathy has been placed on article probation via a discussion at the Administrators' noticeboard. As far as I know, this is the first time such a thing has been accomplished without arbitration. Jehochman Talk 22:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
User:Igorberger/Social engineering (Internet)
I think I hit a sore nerver with this one! Igor Berger (talk) 04:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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Durova, just wanted you to know how helpful it's been for me to run into you. I had never paid attention to DYK before, and largely due to your positive energy I've now contributed to 4 DYKs, 3 nearly on my own. Now I'd like to work on a GA. Care to give me any guidance or mentoring on how to go about it? I realize you're already dealing with me on IPCOLL, plus you're quite busy, so it's fine if you'd that I see help elsewhere. (If so, any suggestions?) Anyway, thanks again, see you around, HG | Talk 03:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, Image:Yeager supersonic flight 1947.ogv, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. MER-C 07:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Durova,
Just to let you know that User:Jaakobou just did it again. What makes it all the more ridiculous is that the coordinates in the top-right corner of the page are smack in the middle of the West Bank, just east of Bethlehem.
I'm preparing a post for WP:AE, I'll link you to it as soon as its done.
Cheers and thanks, pedro gonnet - talk - 01.02.2008 08:20
The Photographer's Barnstar | ||
For your work on restoring historic images, I award you this barnstar.-- Muhammad(talk) 08:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC) |
The Barnstar of Diligence | ||
For recognizing a star in me while many other did not see it, and for your support for WP:SEI which already captured an abuser. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2008 (UTC) |
Hi, the discussion moved forward and I don't know where to answer you in this.
There is a misunderstanding. The idea I have is to go more into details to see how respect WP:RS in practice in writings :
In all case, this is just a matter of WP:undue. Ceedjee (talk) 11:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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User:VirtualSteve WP:canvassing for consensus of WP:MFD for WP:SEI. You know I am going on vacation for about 3 weeks in a few days, so try to defend the article how you can. I have life case of social engineering on Wikipedia that I will submit to WP:DRV if we ever have to go there. I do not want to devulge the case evidence untill need to be. Or I will bring it to WP:MFD if the guy can wait till I come back! Igor Berger (talk) 10:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Igor, would you agree to cut down on the links to this page? There's a fine line with a newly created essay between being enthusiastic and going too far. Just take your time, post a link once or twice a month when it really fits in best, and people will spread the word themselves if they agree it's valuable. Steve, I do think Igor means well. Best wishes to you both, DurovaCharge! 10:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
EC again - Well that is not the only issue - the issue from others relates to the question of what the page is and means. Put simply Igor is attempting to harass other editors with this (currently nonsensical) document and by linking it everywhere he is attempting to force its being read widely. Indeed he is also posting it in such a way as to make it look like a policy or guide, and at least one person has thought he is an administrator as a result of his posts. Put even more simply (and using your talk page because he started this thread here) - if Igor places an appropriate comment that explains the essay a little bit more and that he will only list it a couple of times a month as detailed above, on the talk page at WP:SEI before he goes on holidays I certainly will leave it alone - if not I can only assume that he is not being sincere with this essay and I will take it to MfD for wider consideration, this week after I have prepared the submission.--VS talk 11:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Please Igor just an answer to my legitimate question and to Durova's legitimate attempt at compromise. As for above it is a "joke" page - you are the one that put the joke alert label on the page. Please just an answer to my question so we can all get back to som serious wiki?--VS talk 11:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
We are concluded Igor - I have just posted this response to the "essay" talk page... Okay thank you Igor - I take it that you are not going to SPAM this essay again - and I thank you for not being mendacious any further with your finally answering my specific question. As I said before I do not speak for others but if you do not SPAM the article again I will certainly leave it alone. Now we can be friends again . . . best wishes to you - trust your skiing trip will go well.--VS talk 11:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)