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If arbitration doesn't open[edit]JM, I'd like to reopen the article to contributions. If the requested arbitration doesn't become a case I'm contemplating seeking some type of community based sanction on both you and Chrisjnelson to contain the dispute so other editors can participate. I'm posting to both of your talk pages for input on what would be best. Our options are limited and crude. Your input is welcome. Whatever the solution, it'll apply equally for the two of you:
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I'm not inclined to accept any topic wide ban for a couple of reasons. A) It's what I'm most qualified to contribute to. B) I'm really not the problem. I'm asking for people to take their time and be slow and allow for discussion, but they then say i'm "refusing to discuss". I say I'm disengaging and let's see waht other's thing and they say they are going to continue "editing in full". It's a small group of users who seem to have a significant number of NFL related watched pages that are being most problematic. There are several discussions where I don't agree with everyone's "perspective", but I do recognize WP:CON and move on. There is nothing wrong with that. What's basically happening is that we're talking about a template that has the potential to be used on as many sports related pages as almost any template i can think of. Thus, you can't really walk away from it as it will "break" or cause edit waring on thousands of articles. I have asked for the template to be locked, I've asked for people to respect others, i've asked that we just focus on content, and no matter what i do, and no matter how many days i spend being overly nice - here's what happens: A) A bunch of people violate multiple policy and guideline pages B) Nobody puts a stop to it and C) I am spent more time explaing this than either a) editing the actual content (the most important thing to do) or b) trying to discuss things with people (which really cuts into the editing time). I'm here to take resopnsibility for my actions, but I'm not going to stop editing because someone else can't seem to help but attack me personally. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 11:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Please direct your attention to the article Michael Lucas (porn star). Editor 216.57.17.234, who has a history of improper editing and conflicts with other editors, insists on inserting material cited from blogs to this bio article. The case has been made in talk that this is not allowable, however, this editor refuses to listen. I see from the talk history that you've resolved a conflict previously with this article regarding sourcing; please give this matter your attention. 72.68.127.82 17:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks much for your review of the COI issue at WP:COIN about Kandisky123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), regarding the insertion and linking to the editor's promotional website in various articles closely aligned with the topic of the article. The person in question also revealed personally identifiable information about him/herself in the WP image library, based a comparison of WHOIS information about the site and edit summaries and/or copyright information for a few of the uploaded images. (NOTE: Parts of this response also appears on WP:COIN in the section regarding the editor and repeated here for your convenience.)
The editor has since posted a response on my userpage, demanding a reason as to why the link to the site cannot remain (like one for HGTV). The same editor later tempered the message to this one in spite of the specific warnings regarding that editor's actions. Although I've removed instances of links to the website, the poster decided to post the link on my talk page in the demand for a response. My impression is that the editor decided instead to post the live link on my talk page to make a WP:POINT.
I don't believe that posting a notice in response about the external link in question that was left on my talk page will solve anything at the moment; instead, leaving the editor a notice about posting the questionable link on my talk page may simply inflame and escalate the situation. So, for right now, I'll leave my talk page intact for the time being.
Again, many thanks to you for looking into this matter. →Lwalt ♦ talk 19:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Another great article.[1] Thanks for taking the time to get the word out. Today's Signpost mentions both your published articles. -- Jreferee (Talk) 20:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I've actually just left the discussion there, so go ahead and unlock it. The disputes aren't solved, these guys aren't willing to compromise, so i'll leave it be. I'm not planning on editing that article anytime soon until some of these people are dealt with anyway. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 05:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for you offer, but I am not interested in a time consuming, painful arbitration, nor do i think it is needed at this point. My interactions with csloat have been limited of late (my choice), and seem to be concentrated around a minor content dispute at MEMRI. I believe the RfC around that dispute was pretty helpful - both editors that came in to comment based on the rfC supported the position proposed by Armonand me, so there seems to be a consensus around that. There also seems to be consensus around minimising the amount of quotes in the article through a summariizng paraphrase, which would make the recent disput around InFocus moot. Isarig 17:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
RfC says:
So I'm wondering, what dispute that is and who those editors are, and where they failed to resolve the dispute. Any clues? Can you ask them to contact me directly? Please archive your talk page too, its 200 sections and loads long. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 18:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I've unilaterally backed off the MEMRI dispute and I responded to you on my talk page. If those guys leave me alone I will leave them alone, it's that simple. Hopefully my actions on MEMRI will defuse the situation; if you still want to go to arbitration let me know and I will write something up. Otherwise perhaps this can work out for a while. The reality is that I won't have that much time to spend on wikipedia in the near future, and I don't want what little time I have here to be spent on he-said she-said in a messy and ultimately probably fruitless arbitration. csloat 00:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear Durova, I did made some gestures of cooperation to Eyrian, but I just noticed something strange: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Eyrian I posted this at the noticeboard, because now I'm curious what happened that caused the deletion of ALL of his user, talk, and article space. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Subject: Actual mainspace work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Barrett_Moulton:_%22Pinkie%22
I've entered it for "Did you know?"
-Durova
You attack me, you call me a liar, you call me a vandal, you drag me into arbitration....
You basically made wikipedia so distasteful that I don't even edit here now.... and now you have the audacity to send me an email bragging about your mainspace work?
And rather than let someone else submit it, you submit it to DYK yourself?
Babe, you have a serious ego issue here. sort it out.
Peace.Lsi john 12:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
PS If you were really doing it for the 'good of the community' you wouldn't need or want the recognition. Announcing your work via wholesale spam to everyone on your list, friend or foe, shows you have a serious need for recognition.
Perhaps that's why you get so nasty whenever anyone questions or challenges you publicly. Think about it. Peace.Lsi john 13:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
John, I apologize for the e-mail. It was late at night and I intended to mail it to somebody else who had a similar e-mail address and who had been nudging me to do more mainspace work. I didn't realize the mistake until I logged on and read your message here. By no means did I intend to antagonize you; after staying up much later than planned to confirm the citations and copyedit the page I was half asleep. I sent only one e-mail and meant to address the person who had inspired me to start the article.
The bitterness of these complaints is surprising since you've chosen not to submit any of them as evidence at the arbitration case. You have taken time to participate there in other ways and I have, repeatedly, urged you to air your grievances in the forum best suited to remedy them. If they have any merit I deserve to be rebuked, and probably desysopped. The Committee can also block me or ban me. Administrators have no special shield at these proceedings; a review of past cases demonstrates how readily they act upon verifiable instances of abuse.
Any person who selectively broadcasts accusations at out-of-process fora and neglects the obvious legitimate venues is unlikely to be taken seriously. John, this option remains open to you at this final stage; once it closes - if anyone questions this matter again - I intend to cite diffs of my invitations that you present a case against me and link to the page where you failed to do so. That will speak for itself unless you act now to change the outcome.
Again, please accept this statement in good faith. I readily apologize on occasions when I realize that I am wrong (the other day I checked and counted nine apologies since last December; this is the tenth). I simply don't think I've wronged you in any other way than the mistaken e-mail last night. If I have and don't realize it, then the way to show me the error of my ways is arbitration. I would also accept the opinion of Jimbo Wales or of the community at admin conduct RFC. You have already tried the former and the latter would be redundant while the case is open. DurovaCharge! 15:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
You are being mentioned at WP:ANI#Civility and personal attacks by User:Lsi_john. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to ask you to extend the protection on ((la|Morgellons]] for another week. I have gotten involved in the article (not as a mediator but as a content editor taking a middle of the road position) and we have made significant progress. However, the issue of treatment has not been dealt with yet and is seems that protection has helped to force the other editors to cooperate. Plus, of two strongly pro-Morgellons editors, one is on vacation for a week. There is a relevant comment on the talk page. Thanks. Thatcher131 19:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
You left a note for me?
-V
The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Kirill 01:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why you are sending me messages through Wikipedia insisting that we talk over email when you could have just emailed me in the first place. It's not like my email address is hard to find.
-V
Hope i could get your support here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:WW2InfoBox#The_new_image
and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_War_II#The_new_image
Because i belive that you will agree with me that having the Normandi battle picture in the size of two, and not having a picture of the Stalingrad battle in a world war two image is absurd. M.V.E.i. 11:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you added something to the Wikipedia signpost Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions about the Wikipedia scanner tool being created. Searching the web, I found this article here: http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?at_code=428814 which states quite clearly that the Virgil Griffith was hired by Wikipedia to create the Wiki Scanner to help to explain the events of the SlimVirgin scandal (which Ludwig van Brackenleer was the main investigative journalist who covered it). Why isn't this information out there more readily? When you think about it, it is rather obvious that Virgil Griffith, a small time hacker with no financial income, wouldn't be able to fund a project like the Wikipedia Scanner, and would need to get funding from somewhere, for hosting costs if nothing else. And who else other than Wikipedia itself would have a vested interest in its creation? The fact that true anonymity comes from usernames, not from Anonymous IPs, creates the perfect ruse for Wikipedia to hide some of their more serious flaws, as exposed in the SlimVirgin scandal. The CIA edits, for example, 297 edits in total, represent a very small proportion of CIA edits on Wikipedia, as they don't include any done by logged in users.
I have tried to add the information to the Wikipedia scanner and Virgil Griffith articles but it was undone by people who haven't logged in before, and someone from the Wikimedia foundation. It is sourced information, and I have no reason to believe that the information is unreliable. If it is false, then there should be counter information. How did Virgil Griffith fund his idea? Does he have a secret bank account somewhere? Who funded it? And can WMF prove that it wasn't them that funded it? 123.2.168.215 14:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear Durova, I redirected my two abandoned accounts' userpages to my current and only main user page as indicated in these two edits: [2] and [3], because those accounts have no reason to ever be unblocked and so if anyone ever wants to contact those editors, they'll be taken to my main userpage. Anyway, I thought it appropriate that I notify you. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 16:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikisleuths? Isn't that a neologism shouldn't you know better? ;). Anyway sounds interesting I'm always looking to expand my wikihorizons (*gasp*) so where should I start? Whispering 17:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Over at [4] you suggested a possible community imposed 1RR rule on, say, global warming related articles. Are there precedents for this, and/or how would one go about it? William M. Connolley 21:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I skimmed WP:EL but didn't find an answer; is there a guideline or policy directive on multiple links to different pages on the same site? I noticed from the prominent thread on AN/I that there are editors who feel that the two links on Capablanca random chess to the same site constitute self-promotion. I consolidated the links and was reverted, and I wondered if there's a rule about it one way or the other? Anchoress 21:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I have a question re. the featured content criteria as stated on your Triple Crown page. For featured pics, do you need to be the original uploader or you can have made a successful nom? Thanks for clarifying. BrokenSphereMsg me 03:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I would appreciate you weighing in on a debate over "resolving" and "hiding" this discussion that you initially called a "Good question". If it's going to be swept under the rug, that will look even worse for the Foundation. At the very least, I would prefer that a trusted administrator close the discussion, rather than a general user. --Dude Manchap 14:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Please do not feed the trolls and encourage further misuse of the COI/N board by responding there. The discussion has been moved to WP:VPP. Please also revert your deletion of the hab/hat (which, I note, included a link to the correct page). The COI/N page is already a mess, and this sort of discussion, which, as you note, admins are powerless to deal with, does not belong there. THF 17:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Though I have no connetion to this user (I usually read the community noticeboard), I'm surprised that this user was blocked indefinitely, especially since the user was first given a 3-month block. I'm trying to find the latest discussion on this user to read the ban proposal and also wanted to let you know that you could have blocked the user's Email. VoltronForce 10:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
--Carabinieri 13:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Ive started working a bit with the WP:SUP page, mostly trying to update the content right now. It seems to me that more teachers like me would use Wikipedia more if we knew about it. Also seems that finding projects and helping teachers is a really hit-or-miss proposition. Did the idea of a bot looking for keywords like "school" or "project" or "assignment" etc every get anywhere? I wouldnt mind helping out as a initial contact for new teachers. I dont have the most technical skills in the world but I can at least be there to say "hi" Thelmadatter 15:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
My shadow has been following me around again, and posting this. Unforutunately , I did write that last night while I was agnry, but that's the worst he'll be able to find from me without editing it. He has a different IP everytime he shows up, so I really don't know what you can do. As I said, leaving this username is the only way I see to avoid him, much as I hate to do that. He even vandalized my attempt today to change my username today! If I do come back, and I'd really like to, it will have to be with a clean identity. - BillCJ 04:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Could you please look at this and let me know what you think? Thanks! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 02:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Chrisjnelson is now trying to recant his previous agreement. Please view my talk page under the section you started. He still has yet to appologize for any of his comments and this is the third time that he has decided to recant previous statements that involved him leaving the discussions/projects/or wiki. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 22:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Please forgive me if I overstepped. I modded your comment's wikilink here. Cheers, Navou banter 03:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
So exactly how are we supposed to proceed here? Is this to say that nothing happens and we just go about our business? I'm confused and not sure how to proceed here. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 04:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Durova, I noticed your comments on the talk page of a mutual friend, BillCJ. I wonder if you can look into a problem with the Amelia Earhart page. A conspiracy theorist has come back after being reverted by at least two editors and one admin, but he has again reverted every change made by Gwen Gale who has been a major contributor to the article for over a year. She did a very careful analysis of his recent edits and rewrote the article, establishing a referenced and supported section on disappearance theories related to Amelia Earhart. I do not want to get into a revert war but our "Saipan theory is best" editor has been cautioned on both the article discussion page and his own talk page, that his assertions are untenable and do not have consensus support. He will not listen to me and only an admin can return the article to its original state or to the version that Gwen Gale proposed. Help... Bzuk 23:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC).
Durova... I know I promised to avoid anything and everything infobox-related - and I will if you still want me to. I tried to ask Jmfangio about this but I guess he still has some hostility toward me (not that I'm blaming him) so he wasn't really interested in talking. Anyway - as I said before, I like updating the NFL roster templates and stuff like that. Well, usually as I do that according to daily transactions. And as I do that, I often add/update infobox to the articles of the players involved. Well, I'd like to continue doing that, especially since not many people are interested in doing it and some of these articles may become out of date if I don't add them quickly. So I was wondering if it might be okay with you if I do remain involved in the infoboxes. I am not going to behave like I did before - you won't see personal attacks or any other policy violations. If Jmfangio or anyone else feels I am doing anything wrong, they can tell you or someone else and I can be banned from the topic. I'm asking for your permission (even though I'm not sure if I already can since I was never instructed to do anything). I just really enjoy doing this stuff. But I'm much more willing to compromise on all issues to keep things peaceful and just go about my business. What do you think? I can even tell Jmfangio to contact you specifically if he feels I'm going against my word - that way you know exactly what do to. Please let me know - I won't jump back into any infoboxes-related things until I hear from you.►Chris Nelson 00:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jmfangio-Chrisjnelson. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jmfangio-Chrisjnelson/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jmfangio-Chrisjnelson/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel 00:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova. I noticed that you've unblocked our ban-evading friend. Since you were the one who blocked him in the first place, that's your prerogative to lift it. I just thought I should let you know that I'll keep an eye on him at AfDs - which I've seen him popping up in a bit - to make certain that none of his previous funny business is tried again. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Hello Durova,
Speaking of where we left off the conversation at my talk page.... :(
I posted a detailed status of the current situation at jehochman's talk page with all relevant details about the dispute and my request for outside help. It would be nice, if you could also help in this matter or point me to the right place to alert the appropriate people about my concerns and to get this problem resolved. Thank you. --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 12:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Still kind of a work in progress, but I thought you might want to take a look and provide input: User:ATren/Civility ATren 14:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
So from my understanding we were at a place where Chris said he wouldn't edit war with me. Well - it's happened and i have yet again left an article. See [5] and Talk:Dan Wilkinson. I was making those edits based on a discussion I was having with Tharsaile (talk · contribs) (see his talk page as chris has engaged me there). I am happy to go through the Arb process, but this is exactly why i'm frustrated. The guy just won't let up. As Ksy92003 (talk · contribs) pointed out to me - Cjn sent an email to him that made some troubling remarks regarding me. I advised him to discuss disclosure with a clerk of the ArbC. You can see what has transpired here. If you want to go aheand and institute a topic wide ban for him - i will adhere to it as well effective immediately. The only snafu is the template being developed on my subpage. I will develop it there as at least one other user is invovled - and it would be rude for me to bail on him. I will not implement this. I don't care about talk pages, those are effective ways to discuss - but i will gladly stop editing Am.Football related topics (college, pro, CFL, NFL, whatever). Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 19:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Greetings Durova:
My interest in Wikipedia editing is pretty much centered around my hometown of Elizabethton, Tennessee, along with the history and local places associated with Elizabethton, such as the Watauga River, Doe River, Sycamore Shoals, etc. and I pretty much still consider myself to be somewhat of a newbie.
Thank you for bring to the Hill Wikipedia blanking scandal to light as David Davis is the elected congressman from this area--- when this story started getting picked up by the Knoxville News-Sentinel it almost seemed like the blanking of referenced materials at both David Davis (Tennessee politician) and Matthew Hill had stopped for a while, and one on the major newspapers in Northeast Tennessee (i.e.: the Johnson City Press ) has ran three different articles and another editorial about the Hill Wikipedia blanking since the story was first picked up here by the Knoxville NewsSentinel around August 11.
I also caught a bit of some local talk radio WFHG wherein one angry listener (apparently being a Davis supporter) actually stated on-the-air that he was signing-up as a Wikipedia user for the sole purpose of deleting the same info from the Davis and Matthew Hill articles as did Davis' press secretary. SirEditALot (history since July 23, 2007) and Tdl1060 (a long time history profile indicative of a partisan interest in editing Wikipedia articles) are two who have mad e blanking into a past time.
The upshot here is that I believe a lot of this blanking nonsense could be sharply curtailed by requiring both UserName and IP to be publicly viewed where creating or editing political articles such as bios and hot issues - I judt don't know where or how to move this suggestion toward those people with the ability to implement such broad changes to the Wikipedia.
I am thinking another way to reduce a lot of edit wars of turf wars (like with the radio stationarticles) would involve prohibiting users displaying the "kill count" numerical badge displays at their Userpage.
I believe that editors pursuing high body counts within their favorite subjects may tend to put the quality and accuracy of an article within the community a distant second behind creating growing scoreboard.
I also found the following excerpt from Boston.com that I though would make a really great quotation type box thingie (but I have not looked into that yet):
Meehan staff are said to admit rewriting data: Excised mention of broken pledge
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/01/29/ Bymeehan_staff_are_said_to_admit_rewriting_data/
(commenting on the 2006 Congressional Wikipedia vandalism)
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Wikipedia's founder, Jimmy Wales, said removal of facts is wrong.
You don't delete it [referenced facts from Wikipedia articles]," Wales said. If they wanted to put in their side of things, that would seem ethically relevant, rather than just omitting it."
Later D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bee Cliff River Slob (talk • contribs) 03:09, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
Greetings D and NeutralHomer :
How do you actually go about "blanking" a section by restoring referenced information that has in reality been added back to the "Political connection to Altace, pharmaceutical industry" section of either the Matthew Hill and (Tennessee politican) Wikipedia articles?
D, if you haven't followed up on my User history after reading NeutralHomer 's last ad hominen attack against me , you will likely notice that NeutralHomer has been following me through much earlier edits to more recent and different Wiki articles, and the following is not an exhaustive list, I am sure.:
(Reverted 1 edit by Bee Cliff River Slob identified as vandalism </wiki/WP:VAND> to last revision by Danarn17 using TW</wiki/WP:TWINKLE>)
I am also fairly confident that NeutralHomer has not read your article at Search Engine Land called "SEO Tips & Tactics From a Wikipedia Insider" (or the widely distributed news acounts of "SEO Tips & Tactics From a Wikipedia Insider") wherein you identified two Wikipedia articles Matthew Hill and David Davis (Tennessee politician) as being vandalized from an IP number that you had traced back to the U.S. House of Representatives.
U.S. Rep. David Davis' congressional press secretary Timothy Hill (as first reported within the August 11, 2007 Knoxville News-Sentinel) in a first interview with a KNS reporter first denied any personal involvement in blanking (deleting) much of the referenced "Political connection to Altace, pharmaceutical industry" section off of both the Matthew Hill and David Davis (Tennessee politician) articles, and Hill later admitted to the vandalism during a second telephonic interview with the KNS reporter.
I have noticed during the lockdown of the David Davis article that the "Political connection to Altace, pharmaceutical industry" section was fully restored to the David Davis article but not to the lockdown to the Matthew Hill article. Two of the abovelisted articles listed within NH's history include both Jason Mumpower and Steve Godsey who both served as members of the Tennessee General Assembly, and along with Ron Ramsey, participated within the August 1999 King Pharmaceuticals, Inc. legislative/lobbying airlift to Nashville and each off these politicans have a "Political connection to Altace, pharmaceutical industry" section within their own Wikipedia articles.
NeutralHomer has been persistently blanking out the same (more or less) referenced information from the "Political connection to Altace, pharmaceutical industry" section of the Matthew Hill and David Davis (Tennessee politician) Wikipedia articles as did U.S. Rep. David Davis' congressional press secretary Timothy Hill. I have been restoring the "Political connection to Altace, pharmaceutical industry" section that NeutralHomer et al have been blanking.
At this point, I can image that NeutralHomer is now wishing that he had first read your "SEO Tips & Tactics From a Wikipedia Insider" article before posting his comments above.
Tdl1060 is another editorwho has a very informative user history, revealing that a majority of the Tdl1060 contributions reflect a highly paritsan political interest in following the Ronald Reagan rule about presenting Republicans in a favorable light (or some phrase to that effect).
And D, a last comment about NeutralHomer and his blocking warnings that he has been automatically posting to my Talk page with scripts. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I was under the impression that only administrators (and others higher up) can block editors such as myself...can NeutralHomer (who is not listed as an administrator) actually block my account or he is inappropriately utilizing his Twinkle script to harass me? Bee Cliff River Slob 06:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
dear durova
I am interested in your comment on the community sanctions noticeboard.
you obviously had a strong reaction to the comment, and I confess to being disturbed. I intended to make a general comment about whether majority opinion can act as a defence against defamation, and the prospect of it being read as a specific threat alarms me. I would be grateful for your advice as to what I did wrong, and how to raise such issues, or the general issue of passages that are defamatory in future, in a way that is consistent with acceptable wikipedian standards. Peroxisome 13:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
From our last encounter, I know you think that pointing out malicious, sexist behavior on Wikipedia in no uncertain terms in worse than malicious, sexist behaviour on Wikipedia. You don't need to remind me. VivianDarkbloom 19:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a vandal who is persistently eliminating valid referenced content on three sites: John Favalora (Archbishop of Miami), Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Miami, and Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases. If you see this person's talk page, they have been warned once already to stop this vandalism. The person replaces the valid content with content that violates several Wikipedia policies. The content placed on Catholic Church Sex Abuse Cases is not even a sex abuse case, it is all about suspicions of a gay subculture and it references an extremist web site of Matt Abott. Matt Abott is a religion gossip columnist who does not have editorial oversight or fact checkers. He just publishes emails even from anonymous contributors. Please see the page John Favalora Wikipedia requests for Mediation. All editors of these pages have condemned the content submitted by DominvsVobiscm yet he persists in his/her vandalism.NancyHeise 02:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Do you have time for a quick chat? - Jehochman Talk 02:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to speak to you regarding the possibility of accepting me for admin coaching. I too have an interest in the more in-depth investigatory aspect of Wikipedia, and would greatly appreciate the chance to learn from a master. Please respond on my talk page at your leisure. Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 06:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
[7]. Sorry, Durova. It was never going to fly, particularly via the CSN, as it's not a decision the community is empowered to make. Neil ム 16:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I really am at a loss for words - i finally thought that we had gone our separate ways - and Chris has creeped back to editing articles in a most contentious fashion. I will be happy to point you to examples of this with other editors - but most recently - on Jermaine Wiggins. I went to the article and finished a series of three edits here. CJN had never touched the article. Sure enough - he came in and reverted an edit i did here. I would love to have left it alone - but again - this is in direct violation of his promise to stop. I did a partial revert - game him the "UGA link" and removed the Jaguars information (and for good reason) - and yet - we are back at this. He reverted again and then started a discussion on Talk:Jermaine Wiggins. I just don't know what to do. I responded and have left his last edit in place - but I don't even want to talk to this guy anymore - because nothing productive ever comes out of these discussions. Please let me know how to handle this - i cannot have my edits constantly attacked by one user. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 20:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Moved comment to below, after B's post.
I am so very frustrated here with this that i have no idea what to do. What am I supposed to do here? I just don't even know - i'm happy to participate in the ArbCom and everything else - but I simply go around and make edits and leave him alone - and i'm dragged back into this again. I will not revert those edits until I hear back from you and I don't believe there is anythign else i can possibly say here in the meantime. It's marked as a watch and this is the last you'll here from me until you need me. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 20:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The fact that you said "I happened to look at your contributions and I decided to look at a few articles" as well as your admission that you were paying close attention to Jmfangio's contributions is on the verge of Wikipedia:Harassment. You admitted that you are editing the articles that Jmfangio had recently edited because you were paying attention to his contributions, on based on the comments that he left at User talk:Jmfangio, it is quite clear that Jmfangio believes that you are following him around by following his contributions. You say "this is not a crime," when in actuality, it is, and yet you are completely ignorant of the fact that you are coming increasingly close to violating Wikipedia:Harassment. You have admitted that you are following him around, editing the articles that he has, and that is not allowable in the fashion that you are. Take it from somebody who has experienced this before: you can be blocked by editing articles that you only edited because another user has edited if that other user feels that you are stalking him. This happened to me, and I was blocked for it, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were, also. In my opinion, I think you should be blocked because the evidence strongly suggests that you are harassing him. Ksy92003(talk) 00:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova. I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, so I'm asking your opinion. On csloat's RfC, you certified Bigglove's statement of the dispute but also filed an 'Outside View' of your own. Policy states that certifying editors may not edit outside views, except to endorse. Am i misreading the situation, or does this represent a violation of what appears to be a policy. Whatever your view, please do not take this as an accusation... if I'm wrong about this feel free to say so. Based on some of the questionable conduct on that RfC to date, it was a concern when Armon (another certifying editor) created his own outside view, and justified his actions by pointing out that you (and User:TDC) had also done so. Thanks for any insight you can provide. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 02:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your recent protection of this article. Please direct your attention to the article again, as Roz Lipschitz has improperly placed a tag there. COI issues have been worked on recently, and though not perfect, the article is relatively balanced and does not "read like a resume." Looking at the edit history of editor Roz Lipschitz, it appears s/he has accessed a list of tags and has gone on a disruptive tag-placing spree elsewhere in WP; s/he's also made a string of unproductive, non-NPOV, and unencyclopedic edits at Paul Baressi. 72.76.87.222 13:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The above-referenced editor is continuing on the tag-placing spree within this article. Some tags are improperly placed while others are inappropriate. Such edits are not productive and reduce the readability of the article. The article is under partial protection which allows users like Roz Lipschitz to mangle the article while concerned anons cannot revert. Please revert her/his edits. 72.76.2.210 10:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC) Examples of the above: original research tags next to referenced content, a photo needed tag on the article rather than talk. These edits are tantamount to vandalism and should be reverted. 72.76.2.210 10:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
(I'm submitting this on behalf of User:Legionarius, who is unaware of my actions. I will be notifying him after I submit the nomination.)
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I'm writing to let you know that Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Commodore Sloat has been resolved and archived. Thanks for participating! Bigglove 23:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
the aggreement you helped them work out [9] doesn't seem to be easing the disruption. What might be the next step? --Rocksanddirt 00:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not biased towards anybody. I'm defending him only because I can understand how he feels. And unfortunately I was dragged into this also, and clearly he has tried to disengage, but you haven't. Durova, I'm sorry for clogging up your talk page (even more so than before; Don't you think 277 sections is more than enough? Haha) with this discussion. Ksy92003(talk) 01:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova, I just wanted to ask your advice about proposing a policy. I made a comment to Slrubenstein here this post duplicate some of the points I made there. In that post I was discussing the repeated racist trolling at Talk:White people and my experience of a wider problem of this across the encyclopedia (esp. antisemitism and sexism). Basically I think sysops and editors need a clear policy on dealing with editors who are deliberately and maliciously using wikipedia to express hate speech. I've seen a number of instances such as [10] where editors uses this tactic, which avoids being a personal attack but is a deliberate and malicious use of WP. It gets lumped into WP:SOAP (which has no warning templates) and WP:NOR - but it is far more serious than that. The recent block of User:Fourdee by Jimbo is testament to the seriousness of this problem. IMHO WP needs a policy that gives users parameters for warning & blocking editors who are using wikipedia to express or promote hatred. I'm going to look through Arbcom's rulings to see if there is one on hate speech. Have you any advice on where & how to propose this - or indeed if this is a bad idea?--Cailil talk 22:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear Durova, I have consulted with Chaser (my mentor)and another admin regarding AfDs and per their advice have attempted participation in one today as "practice". I have attempted to discuss the following AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dawn_of_the_Dead_in_popular_culture. If you have a moment, please let me know if this is better in your opinion as well or if you have additional advice and tips. I understand if you are too busy, but I want to see if you think I am making progress here or if you would like to see additional improvement. Thanks again for all of your help! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I noticed you blocked 70.113.76.108 (talk · contribs), but I think this person has some sockpuppets, as I try to outline here Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Seaver11171944. But I'm not sure if I've done it correctly. Can you look into? --ZimZalaBim talk 11:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova, this is the link to the Anacapa report: User:Cailil/Complex_vandalism_on_feminism_and_gender_studies_related_articles. BTW thanks for your input about the Soapbox policy/template idea - I'll have a look into proposing a template--Cailil talk 12:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
While I'm back I may as well join the winner's circle:
That's all I need isn't it? Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 16:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I want to say, I agree with your statement, that the timings are too close to make for a legit good arbcom. I also think, for what it's worth, that your call for DR is right too, since this isn't people objectively noting a COI, but a left leaning editor accusing a right leaning editor of COI to stir up drama. (I'd feel the same the other way, too.) I'd have supported your assestment on the page, but it's not the best place for kibbitzing, and I'm not an admin, so I don't think I'm allowed to comment there. Finally, I do think he's got a COI due to his career in promoting health care industry interests, but I think that he's been run off can't reflect well on Shankbone, who contributes great images, but seems to have zealously pursued THF in the most aggressive ways permitted. Anyways, wanted to bounce my perspective off someone, and your opinion seemed a good one to reflect off of. ThuranX 19:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much :) I'm hoping to submit User:Deckiller/Walker (Star Wars) for DYK when it's completed. — Deckiller 21:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I believe I qualify to stand with the likes of Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and, of course, Citation.
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Been following the latest arbcom case, and I thought your efforts on a particular user's talk page displayed a monumental level of patience, and this was the closest barnstar I could find. Nice one. jddphd (talk · contribs) 00:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC) |
Just came across your SEO article today. In the interest of donning my white hat (it looks so much smarter than the red one) I have made a COI disclosure on my talk page. I wanted tell you as well in a demonstration of good faith.
FWIW, I love a good bit of sleuthing myself, though I tend to do it as an admin on Manchester United-related internet forums. As a sysop and bureaucrat on my company's wiki, the situation never really presents itself. Instead I've started a group called the Descriptive Title Patrol. ;-)
regards, -- jddphd (talk · contribs) 01:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I do believe I qualify:
IvoShandor 08:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Just filed my first rfc. However it would appear individual in question has no intention of abiding by site standards, nor seems willing to participate (as stated). Any advice? --Hu12 17:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)