Hey, good job reverting that featured article for today. We reverted at pretty much the same time heh. --OMouse (talk) 04:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
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I thought that you'd be interested in the new article, Zengana. Regards, Dogru144 03:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
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I have nothing against the fact he can be Assyrian, but he declared recently his the scion of an Arab Chrisian family:
"وكانت بعض الوسائل الاعلامية قد ذكرت اليوم نقلا عن مصادر عراقية مطلعة على محاكمة وزير الخارجية طارق عزيز خلال جلسة لمحاكمته مغلقة اليوم انه "نفى التهم الموجهة اليه حيث وجه له قاضي التحقيق اثني عشر سؤالا أجاب على ستة منها خلال المحاكمة، ورفض الإجابة عن ستة كونها تتضمن إيحاءات طائفية تتعلق بالسنية والشيعة ".
وحسب زعم هذه الوسائل ان " أول التهم التي وجهت له من قبل القاضي كانت بخصوص وجود شريط خاص يبثت انه كان حاضرا خلال اجتماع يطالب بتسيس خطبة الجمعة ومدح الرئيس الاسبق صدام حسين فيها، فجاء رد عزيز انه لا يتذكر حضور هذا الاجتماع خصوصا انه كان وزيرا للخارجية ويقضي معظم وقته خارج البلاد ، إضافة إلى انه " في حال حضوره اعتقد انه "يحق له لاسيما انه من عائلة عراقية عربية مسيحية ويحترم الدين الإسلامي ". "[3] --Katous1978 01:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I am a Assyrian by ethnicity and i am a Chaldean catholic, i speak a form of Assyrian called Chaldean neo-Aramaic, many loyal Chaldo-Assyrians say they speak Chaldean and even indify themselfs as Chaldeans rather than Assyrian, please don't dominate your Syriac orthodox fate and your dialect as the whole "Assyrians". Syriacs does not represent the Assyrian nation alone. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, and i am a PROUD Assyrian CHaldean ;)Nochi 15:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello Chaldean, long time since we have talked. Since you are an Iraqi, iwonder if there exist an ethnic group called Sumerians in nowdays iraq?, since on the article "Sumerian people" it has been stated that there are about 500,000 Sumerians in Iraq?? thanks. Balu2000 22:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thnak you very much for the compliments. In my spare time I do a bit of reading and I got into Roman stuff and then Byzantine stuff due to video games!!! (Ahem Rome: Total War). So soon as I find good Assyrian books, I will gladly add to our old Empires! Baseema raba!
Tourskin 16:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh a shame. Well, I'll see u around wiki!Tourskin 04:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. You cannot paint sparrow and sell it as a canary. Stop your Syriani nationalistic revisionism on wikipedia or I will challenge you with Academic sources leaving you alone with Simo Parpola and Aina! Another thing let's follow wiki rules! Right now i'm busy, i'll be back later after a few hours.Brusk u Trishka 14:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I put in a request for it already but haven't heard anything. They are way backed up, I think. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
That Assyrian showed in the map has nothing to do with Syrianis you are trying to connect with. That was a toponym remembered through ages after evilness of ancient Assyrians. To use a toponum to change a certain ethnic groups history is cheating and discouraged by wikipedia. cheers!
Since you're knowledgeable on Assyrian issues, can you take a look at Simko Shikak and expand it with relevant information? There are no mentions of his massacre of Assyrians, and User:Heja helweda keeps removing the POV tag I added to the article as a result of neutrality concerns expressed by several editors on the article's AfD, which is very disruptive. --Mardavich 05:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Shlama aziza,
Please consult the talk page on Wikiproject Assyria, where I proposed to have a vote on who to include in the Assyrian people infobox. As you may already be aware, there is a bit of disagreement between myself and EliasAlucard as to who to include, and he recently changed the picture without consulting anybody. So if you could check out the page and perhaps provide some input as to how we can do this vote (if it is a good idea at all). We need to set some guidelines, because people such as EliasAlucard are making major edits without discussing them in the talk page first.
Thanks. Posh bshena.
Šarukinu 23:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey fellow Mesopotamian, just checkin out ur page. BTW, if u need me to lend a hand in particular just tell me. I will do my best to get some info and start up the Lebanon assyrian article asap. Tourskin 03:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
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[4] The Assyrian empire fell in 612 BC. In 643 BC, it was still badass. Also, you should upload it on Commons. — EliasAlucard|Talk 02:08 08 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
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Please get involved. Some child out of nowhere wants to create an ethnicity. The page Aramaean people was always redicected to Aramaeans. All of a sudden this teenager comes and claims these people actually exist. Where anyone with common knowledge of this topic knows its a utterly joke. Chaldean 12:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
For your information, Chaldean, the page was created today: [5]. It has never been a redirect. But I agree, it should be merged with Aramaeans. However, the image you created is misleading, and erroneous. As I've been trying to point out to you, there has been an awareness of Aramaean heritage among the Syriacs, both West and East. And I have talked with Syriacs in Istanbul, and read interviews with Syriacs who live in the Southeast of Turkey, who acknowledge their Aramaean ancestry. So it's simply not true that the Aramaean identity is a 20th-century invention, nor is it true that no one in the Middle East considers themselves Aramaean. I would love to start with the Syriacs page --I had done so about a year ago, before it was without any proper discussion turned into a redirect to Assyrian people--, but won't do so without discussion, in order to prevent another deletion of the page. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 13:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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Please upload it on Commons next time. — EliasAlucard|Talk 10:08 12 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
Do you know how to change the template box because it currently has Arrapha pointing to an article about the city, when we need to create a new article about an actual battle there. Thanks.Man of Bravery!! 16:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
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Please! I am already aware that Syriac/Aramaic was used in Osroene, but why do you remove Pliny's source? Aramaic was even used in the Sassanids kingdom but nobody claims that they were Assyrians! Aramaic was sort of lingua-franca in those days. The etymology is also clear, it comes from name of an Arab tribe. Please don't remove reliable stuff. Definitely Pliny has to be mentioned.Heja Helweda 23:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
But Pliny identified them as Arabs. They converted to Christianity and used the Aramaic language for their religious ceremonies. I say again, I have nothing against your theory and at the beginning thought that the name may be related to Assyria, but then I found the Pliny's reference. Also please remember that most muslims are not Arabs but use Arabic as a religious language. This is similar to the situation of Osroene.Heja Helweda 23:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Baseema raba fellow Assyrian. Your own edits deserve credit. I enjoy editting with you and our other Assyrian brothers!
Yes, the way you fixed the template is good, so now we can link it to the Battle of Arrapha rather than the city itself.
By the way, just out of cuiosity, how old are you? I'm 18.
Well, I'll see you around!!Man of Bravery!! 23:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I'm getting a little different things from what you have about this battle.
This source: Healy, Mark (1991). The Ancient Assyrians. New York: Osprey. pp. p.
Claims that it happened in 615 BC and it was the Medians who siezed Arrapha - ? BTW, i know that info at the time is tenuous at best - no doubt both the medians and the babylonians boasted a victory that both wished to see, but perhaps both did not participate?
Maybe we should include both sources in the article?
Man of Bravery!! 02:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
That personality you mentioned is definitely Syriac. But why you are rejecting Roman sources accroding to which the inhabitants were mainly Arabs. After conversion to Christianity they started using Syriac for religious purposes. This is very clear fromthe sources I provided. Also one historical source and author close to the events rules out other modern interpretations. I prefer to stick to Pliny than modern writers, because of the modern POV and nationalism which did not exist back then.Heja Helweda 21:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Chaldean, I was curious about your opinion? Do you feel offended by listing the Akkadians as in the Ancient Arabia page. (the Akkadians only, I clealry mention that the Assyrians are a Mesoptamian evolved culture that dont identify with the Arabs)
below are links to neutral non Arab websites. The Akkadians Arabian origin, The Akkadians migration from ArabiaFirst result search for Akkadians
I always had respect for the Mesopotamians and respect their culture, that I never claimed as Arab. I am only mentionning an important part of the history of Ancient Arabia and it well known. Honestly, the AntiArab behavior of EliasAlucrad makes me wonder? Is that how every ChaldoAssyrian is ? (I am not sure how you you want me to address you?) in the Iraqi websites they say ChaldoAssyrians and I thought ChaldoAssyrian is proper beause I saw your edit n the ANcient Arabia page, where you said Chaldean = Assyrian. --Skatewalk 00:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Last time I checked I didnt kill no Assyrians!? In Iraq there is a war and everyone is dying. Assyrians are suffering like e very Iraqi. Its very sad but should not reflect on an Ancient Arabia article! embarrassed why?--Skatewalk 04:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe he finds it offensive when I keep discussing this with him? can you tell him its ok to list the Akkadians in the Ancient Arabia article. I think he will listen to a fellow Mesopotamian better than, Thanks --Skatewalk 05:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
hi Chaldean, I am from central Iraq (Baghdad). I am currently staying in Australia. My father is Muslim and my mother is Jewish to be more specifying. what about you?. I am very glad to work with you guys on the project and yes Assyrian period is important to Iraq's history. Cheers (:.\ — Balu2000 16:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Why are you siding with this Benne dude? So are you an Aramaeanist now as well? — EliasAlucard|Talk 18:01 23 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
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I commend your efforts to improve the articles of our peoples. Your work, being both neutral and interesting has done much good. Tourskin 06:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC) |
I only really know u and Elias so I gave both of u the star. Let me know of anyone else too, k?
YEAH WELL DONE!!! LETS JOIN ESSARHADDON AND SACK MEMPHIS TOGETHER!! LolTourskin 06:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I need some help expanding it. I take it you know a lot about this party. — EliasAlucard|Talk 18:13 30 Aug, 2007 (UTC)
Chaldean, I've restored the page cut, and I'll reiterate my rationale that I put in my edit summary: The link that "supported" various claims in the article was dead, and the claims themselves were not scholarly (no academic linguist claims such connections) or verifiable. Furthermore, although it seems rather obvious about the εἰρήνη/שלמא connection, it needs to be sourced. Lastly talk about Shalom should be in the article on Shalom, not Shlama. אמר Steve Caruso 19:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Tourskin has wished you well! Joy promotes WikiLove and hopefully this little bit has helped make your day better. Spread the WikiJoy by sharing the joy someone else, Try to brighten the day of as many people as you can! Keep up the great editing!
Smile at others by adding ((subst:Joy message)) to their talk page with a friendly message.
Lets appreciate one another's company (online?) as a dark anniversary has come. Assyrians too have dark anniversaries. 3000 is only a village for us. Not hundreds of villages (cough Simele, cough 1915, cough 1988). Tourskin 04:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Wow they just won't go away... Sharru Kinnu III 17:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
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Basima raba / Tawdi sagi qa/le funoyo dilox. I hae some questions concerning the Aramaic wikipedia, is it an active wikipedia and do you write the articles on modern or classical Syriac-Aramaiac? I would be glad to you help in the articles if needed.--Yohanun 07:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Alright that sounds pretty good to me. So if I have understood this right I can write in Marbaya/Turoyo with classical Syriac words added into the article?--Yohanun 19:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi chaldean , could you tell me why you deleted the following from the article? "The Law of evidence in Pakistan demands the witness of two Chrisitan men for that of one Muslim, the witness of a woman being half that of a man and that of a Christian woman being half again of that article on Pakistan in "a Dictionary of Asian Christianity" Isbn 0-8028-3776-x." i think its a valid point for the article but you deleted it saying it was an unwiki edit... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.39.86 (talk) 23:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
How is stating 100% of Saudi's citizen population Arab an OR statement? Chaldean 14:57, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hello bro, about Ahmed Radhi and the attack, Its a false rumor, some people claimed that it was Ahmad Radhi, in the end it wasn't him, Ahmad Radhi and Hussein Saeed are close friends, and they spotted in a restaurant in Amman eating in the same table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mussav (talk • contribs) 05:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Of course all Media and Channel published it, I'll try to find the source, do you really think Ahmed Radhi capable of doing that? Hypocrites everywhere and they can set the fire any time, you cant belive everything you hear and that's what happened, some people claimed its Ahmed Radhi but it wasn’t him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mussav (talk • contribs) 05:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/come-home.htm
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15315&Itemid=128 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.98.178 (talk) 21:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I'm new here, and I would like some help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shalito (talk • contribs) 18:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Chaldean, When I went to Iraq and I visited some clubs such like Al-Karkh, Police …etc, and they are using the English names for the Clubs, such like Police Club, Air Force, Army FC, also I checked the other clubs Name list and they are using Al- definition like Al-Shatra instead of Ash Shatra, Al-Najafa instead of An Najaf…etc also I went to Sulimaniyah to do the same thing and they told me they use X instead of KH… Zaxo. Mussav (talk) 23:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Say Chaldean do you know Basra were belong to whom? Akkad, Sumer, Arab maybe? Many thanks. Mussav (talk) 18:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Shlama lokh, Dakh'iwet? Chaldean I have noticed that you upload some really nice and useful Iraq-related images. The only problem with these images is that they are not uploaded on wikicommons, thus I can not use them on the Arabic wikipedia :( so can you please start uploading these images on wikicommons? especilly the public domain ones. Basima--Aziz1005 (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Bro, I'm sorry for bothering you, I just have a question just look at this Greater Iran and Greater Syria.. as I remember when I was a little kid I heard about Greater Iraq? something about west part of Iran (Khuzstan maybe?), the East part of Syria and Kuwait were belong to Iraq.. so I'm asking did you heard anything about that? If it true and if is there a strong source we should make the Greater Iraq article/page. Salam bro Merry Christmas and happy new year. Mussav (talk) 07:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
The issue is to provide reliable sources. I am well aware of the fact that Syriac was used as the written language of Christian communities around Edessa and Osroene, and personally think there has to be a etymological connection between Osroene and Assyrians, however unfortunately have not been able to locate any good, academic source on that. The point is if you provide a bad source, it just undermines your argument. This is definitely not a academic source [6] and I am sure there are good peer-reviewed journal papers out there, it just needs a bit of patience :) Happy Christmas! Cejna jidayikbûna Xirîstê ji we pîroz dikim! Heja Helweda (talk) 19:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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do you like the changes I done to the arbil page.
you should have left it the same as lots of other club pages have it the way I done it and not the compitation name on the top. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo1993 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello whats up, long time no speak. I know its a bit late but... merry christmas and happy new year! So hows the assyrian articles goin? I'm busy right now with uni unfortunately but if you need something specific and small I can help.Tourskin (talk) 07:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
That does with the guidlines as many other clubs do it the way I do.If you don't believe me check Valancias or Sevilla page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mo1993 (talk • contribs) 11:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Bro, I took a look at Arbil page's History and I think you are right, it was improper and your last revision is better, I just sent a message to Mo and I hope everything be fine. Mussav (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Sounds great. I'll get to it. Tourskin (talk) 19:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
We just need articles for them lol
K then, when you do the map, that could go on the template. Tourskin (talk) 22:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Side note: This template rightfully overestimates the extent of our great empire, with so many "provinces"!!Tourskin (talk) 22:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I've seen that you've edited this articlte previously, so I think you'll find this interesting.
User Johan Elisson has deleted this section [7], saying in comment "Youth tournaments are not notable enough to be included".
I disagree with him. Gothia Cup, is a big event (World Cup for clubs, category U11), and winning the cup is a big success.
Fact that the winner is an immigrant squad, possibly the best success that any Assyrian football squad ever had (am I wrong?), gives the "weight" to this case.
So, I believe this should stay on that page, and I believe that that success should have a place on the WikiProject Assyria. What do you think?
Here's more: [8]. In Swedish: [9]
Greetings, Kamarad Walter (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was checking for vandalism, and I noticed there seems to be a minor disagreement over this article. Why do you think it should be redirected to Syriac (disambiguation) ? That article has Syriacs as one of it's entries? I wasn't able to sort out how this should be. Greswik (talk) 20:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Chaldean. Please help if you can [10]
LoveMonkey (talk) 01:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Chaldean what are you doing the Syriacs are Assyrian also! therefore we must edit in Western Syriacs Assyrian-Syriacs also Im an Syriac but Im calling myself for Assyrian! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.211.77 (talk) 18:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello Chaldean!
I am interested in having a personal discussion with you. You are Chaldean and I am a Maronite. As far as I am concerned, I have never had the chance to speak with somebody who has your profile: -Chaldean -Supports the independence of both Kurds and Assyrians -Speaks KURDISH....
please contact me on youssefaoun@hotmail.com
Who moved this page? This is not the correct name of the tournament. I have put a request to admins to move it back. Chaldean (talk) 15:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, could you help out with expanding the article, David B. Perley? — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 12:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
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I hope all is well. God Bless you.
LoveMonkey (talk) 14:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
May God Protect you and keep you safe, may the Most Holy Mary watch over you always. I am glad to hear you are well. You are in my prays. I pray that you and your loved ones are OK in this time of war.
Pray for me a sinner.
LoveMonkey (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey man. Yeh I know hes banned, but I was hoping that his IP address might not be and so send a comment there. Thanks though. Take care Khouny.
Tourskin (talk) 06:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
How did you suspect me of sockpuppetree. I am going to place a complaint against you for that completely untrue and insulting waste of my time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nabuchadnessar (talk • contribs) 22:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Please don't redirect an article's content unless it has been agreed to on the discussion page. PseudoOne 00:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
What about, naming the article "Syriac/Aramaic people" VegardNorman (talk) 00:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I think a board like that would be perfect for cooperation between both groups.! VegardNorman (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Shlama
Hey man. Now that Elias is gone, the burden falls on us to maintain the articles he worked hard at maintaining. I see you've already started on Osroene. Well if you need me....
Poush bshana Khouny
Tourskin (talk) 01:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Why do revert my edit from Syriac-Aramean to Syriac? You know Syriac redirects to Assyrian. And when there are a Syriac-Aramean article, they should be redirected to that article, cause you know they identify as Syriac-Arameans, and not Syriac-Assyrians. I won't edit it again, but you know i'm correct. Anyway, great job creating the board, I will join the debate later. The TriZ (talk) 12:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
should the article be named Syriac-Aramaean or Syriac-Aramean ? VegardNorman (talk) 23:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I haven't made any edits on the article. I guess your reacting on what I wrote on the discussionpage, but seriously, don't be like Elias, he said that all Syriacs are Assyrians, and that it is a fact, and that he is calling a spade a spade or something like that. And now your doing it again, you know that it is a theory from Frye(?) that Syriac (Suryoyo, Suryoye etc) dervies from Assyrian. And it is ridicolous of you to bring up Herodotus as an argument, when Strabos(?) quoted someone that said that those who the Greeks called Syrians, called themselfs Arameans. So yes, it is still a theory, not a fact. And it is far from supported by the influental academics, like Brock. The TriZ (talk) 00:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I said Elias, are you Elias? And i personally hasn't supported any moves. The TriZ (talk) 01:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is busted, people are screwing with it and saying that we re not the first Christian state and furthermoore, they seem to have the references. Let me know what your plans are. Lol thanks for backing me up at Bahira article. The damned Assyrian heretic, lol! Tourskin (talk) 05:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Chaldean, thanks bro for your replies. I thought it might be a good idea to start a similar section on your page to save you the trouble from finding mine out and going to there. I was thinking I put my replies here and you put your on my page for easy access, but if it's a waste of space, please feel free to delete this and I'll start replying on my area's section.
As for the arguement, I do agree that for all intents and purposes - especially in light that there's no such thing as 'pure race' especially in the mid-east, I will agree that it is fair to call Assyrians Bon Fide decendants of the Ancient Mesopotamians. However, considering there is no such thing as a 'pure race' and my DNA results, I believe it is also justified to recognise some Iraqi Arabs as arabised, islamised decendants of the aramaic speaking indiginous peoples. This is especially true in the Levant and Iraq - you can see the section here on wikipedia on 'Arabisation'. Furthermore, you understand that ethnicity has nothing to do with geneology (one of the first mistakes I did here), but is rather self-determining.
I understand I started 'being Mesopotamian' slightly more so after my unexpected DNA results, but you must understand that Iraqi Arab culture (and even language dialect) has always been distinct from other Arab cultures and dialects. We are equally proud of out Mesopotamian heritage (you know the Iraq National Football - or Soccer, team is called 'Lions Of Babylon') and even celebrate festivals like Return of Tamuz (and another thing which's origin I don't quite know called 'Zarda ou Haleeb' I think). So I think it is more than waranted that it is recognised that Assyrians are not the only geneological or even ethnic decendants of the Mesopotamians, though they are the decendants of which ethnically and culturally, or Bon Fide - But so are a lot of Iraqi Arabs minus the language.
My proposal for a compromise is that the 'only' and 'sole' phrases that (in my opinion) wrongly imply they are the only geneological or ethnic (in terms of cultural) decendants of the Mesopotamians be removed - unless you want to argue I don't exist, and what I said is a figment of my imagination :D . However, it is more than fine by me that you mention they are the Only people to continue using the language. Also I understand you name now, I wont fear a supremacist from now on :D And thanks for your work against PoV's, I and many Wikipedia users appreciate it.
Thanks for your time man, and take care. Nabuchadnessar (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I hope all finds you well. It is the season of Forgiveness. Forgive me my sins. For I most definitely have forgiven all committed against me. Pray for me, as I pray for you. God Bless you! Happy Lent. LoveMonkey (talk) 18:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
You are correct in informing me of this. However, as you may have noticed, I am on wikibreak and am in no position to do any editting. Sorry.
I promise to be fully back after March 22, the last of my UCSD exams. For now, let me know what needs some fixing.
The thing is, how can Islam make any contribution to Europe? Yes, europeans were ignorant compared to Arabs but thats because the Arabs inherited a 1000 years of Greek and Roman Science and Engineering as well as philosophy.
Assyrians contributed to Europe? I don't know about this. I agree that many Islamic achievements were in fact Assyrian, but of course why would any one even give a shit about us Assyrians, a minority when there are millions of other people screaming political correctness. Alas my friend, the vanquishers write history, but that does not mean the vanquished cannot revise it.
Anyways, what I am 100% confident of, and sure of prooving is that Byzantium contributed to European knowledge.
Hell if Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe did occur, they were crap because the Byzantine Empire was the most advanced state on the Planet until the Ottomans took it and Europe remained less advanced for years to come.
I'll get back to this later. For now, keep me informed.
Poush bshena
Tourskin (talk) 05:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
"There isn't pure ethnicities or race in the whole world, not just the Middle East. Thats just how it is, all of mankind has lived in one earth since the beginning. I will agree that it is fair to call Assyrians Bon Fide decendants of the Ancient Mesopotamians. However, considering there is no such thing as a pure race and my DNA results, I believe it is also justified to recognise some Iraqi Arabs as arabised, Nabu, this is accepted among historians and Iraqis themselves. I don't know if you understand Arabic, but if you ever watch a Iraqi tv channel, you will see how sometimes they show how patriotic they are of Al Rafidain (Bet-Nahrain) and many politicians advocate Iraqism over Arabism in terms of them being Mesopotamian descent and different from other Arabs."
I totally agree with you there bro. :)
"But that self-determination is largerly based on what language that group speaks. Which I think is a fear thing to do. No? If your grandfater was born in Greece, your father was born in Greece, and you were born in Greece and only spoke Greek, wouldn't it be justifable to call yourself Greek, even thou you don't know your DNA make up beyond your grandfathers?"
Very true, ethnicity is determined largely - sometimes almost entirely on language - it plays a very big role. I should have read the ethnicities section before coming in all guns blazing :D . I mean look at places like Sudan - geneologically, I'm sure most people are almost entirely black, but call themselves Arabs and are even passionately upset if it is questioned - the reason is language. Somaliee are geneologically closer to Arabs (National geographics again ;) ) yet don't call themselves arabs. Language is very important in ethnicity just like you say bro. :)
"Azizi (dont know if you know what that means) I know this lol I was born in Iraq and lived there for quite a few years :D
We are equally proud of out Mesopotamian heritage (you know the Iraq National Football - or Soccer, team is called Lions Of Babylon) One close couzin of mine represented the Lions in the 86 world Cup ;) "
Hahaha a true Iraqi, yeah I know what it means akhi, I also was born in Iraq and came to the UK in 98 when I was like nine, but I still remember a lot of Iraq. Send all my regards to your cousin, that team gave us so much pride - we won one of the most highly paid, best trained and spoiled teams, while our country was in such crisis, man wish you was with us when we were celebrating out win. :) BTW never knew it was also called Lions Of Babylon before too.
"I agree with this, and I am looking at the page and I can't seem to find anywhere stating this? Can you please point it out for me."
Thanks Chaldean, I appreciate it. I think that sectio was there last time I checked, I think it must have been changed by then already. I guess this dispute has been resolved then. Thanks for all the co-operation and help, I appreciate it. BTW, I said it has been resolved in the discussion section, as I think it pretty much has been. I also renumbered the sections in order of them being posted, incase anyone wants to know how it got resolved, hope you don't mind man. If you don't like anything, feel free to change it back. :)
"That is what I've done for 2 years now. I do this so that people continue to take Wikipedia seriously. I do hope you become an active member here (if you feel like it.) It is a great way of learning about your heratige."
Thats a great thing to do. And I'd be honoured to be part of Wikipedia's active members. Now this has been solved, I'm going to try sorting out the errors I see in the List of gangs in Grand Theft Auto series and the Iraqi people section. Hope you all the best bro and thanks for everything. :) Nabuchadnessar (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello bro, just brought Arbil's and Peris' official logos, but I don't know how to upload the, could you do it? Thanks in advance.
Hello Chaldean. I am a Catholic hermit brother and I'm praying for the Chaldean Church, all the Christians and peoples of Iraq. Thanks for your contributions on Wikipedia. May the bishop and Iraqi martyrs know God's rest. They bless us all, as does the fidelity to Christ of you and your community. As a Christian and a Catholic my heart is with you all. Peace Jc3schmi (talk)
And thank you for teaching me a new word "Shlama". I shall keep it in my vocabulary and heart. Jc3schmi (talk)
You say we shouldn't have an article at a title which generates "only 300 google hits". Good! I agree! Syrian Nestorians should redirect to Assyrian people. Now, you will agree, a title that generates even less google hits, such as Syriac-Aramean people about 100 should also redirect to Assyrian people. Enough with the pov forks. We will keep this article at a single title, and list all names we can reasonably attribute to external sources as synonyms. dab (𒁳) 08:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Chaldean: read my lips: CITE. YOUR. SOURCES. You are revert-warring without providing a shred of evidence. This falls under WP:DISRUPT. Discuss the identity of Assyrians/Syriacs in Sweden in the Assyrians/Syriacs in Sweden article, citing your sources. dab (𒁳) 14:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Your behaviour is simply obstructing progress in the encyclopedic coverage of a topic you do seem to care about. The topic is difficult enough without your childish disruption. You are acheiving nothing except annoying people and wasting your own time and that of others. If you want to have any impact at all, learn to understand and implement Wikipedia policies and guidelines. dab (𒁳) 16:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I wish, I dont have the time :), and you guys seem to be doing a great job.
I am sure though that Aram33 is more than happy to help. He created and edited the arabic version.
--Lord Anubis (talk) 11:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
May he rest in peace. I would also like to thank whoever it was who managed to get a picture and the news item at the top. At last, the ignorant liberalists in the west will realize that there ARE CHRISTIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, of the same caliber as those who were persecuted by the Romans. Tourskin (talk) 23:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
My prayers got to you in your time of loss, in the murder of your Bishop who was a good and kind man. To my friend Chaldean. God Bless you. Alex. LoveMonkey (talk) 19:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Arab: You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. ArcAngel (talk) 02:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
There should be two articles about two groups. Syriac people and Assyrian people. Syriac-aramean people refer to Syriac people. And im not happy about the proposal about creating a new article with title Assyrian/Syriac people. VegardNorman (talk) 11:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed your userpage edit - glad to see you're back! AndrewRT(Talk) 23:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Shlama khon, glad I could do it. --334 (talk) 02:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey bro, thanks very much for explaiing that to me, now I know why my name's red not blue. I'll try editting it now. Thanks for your time explaining that to me and your kind offer to help, appreciate it akhi. Take care. Nabuchadnessar (talk) 16:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Please don't insert flags into infoboxes. They are discouraged for good reasons by WP:MOSFLAG. Rettetast (talk) 22:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Chaldean. Now you mention it, I wouldn't mind you help here: Talk:Ali_al-Shemari#Third_Opinion if you can spare a moment! AndrewRT(Talk) 23:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
There is some talk of merging Iraqi minorities into Minority politics in Iraq. What do you think? I don't mind so long as the overall information is preserved (i.e demographic data and current politics). Obviously Iraqi minorities deserve an entry devoted to them, but I think the heading 'minority politics' is kind of narrow given the long history of the Assyrians, Mandeans and other peoples who are now minorities in Iraq.
Seth J. Frantzman (talk) 13:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
3000 Christians of the Assyrian Church of the East have with 16 Deacons, 4 priests and 1 Bishop entered inoto Full Communion with the Chaldean Catholic Church. Woow!Tourskin (talk) 03:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
I briefly read all the comments regarding how many articles are needed for all these petty small Assyrian groups and my head is going to explode. So whats up, its basically just the Arameanist trolls at it again?Tourskin (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I know from Elias tireless battles what Dab's agenda is; trolling from one Assyrian article to another. Tourskin (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
If you can, keep an eye on this for the next three hours, I will be out. I know you might not be able to do this because it might night were you are (were are you anyways) cos I'm gonna go out to Church and be back a little later than normal. Thanks khouny, Tourskin (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
This guy is seriously beginning to piss me off. Gees, I never though he was this much of an ass hole, constantly changing shit without discussion. We gotta report him. Tourskin (talk) 13:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The title Syriac people were much better than West syriacs. What do you think? VegardNorman (talk) 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)