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Hello Aigest. At the the Himara talk page you listed some appropriate references, in the section "1481 uprising under Scanderbeg's son." I Pakapshem would like to add a paragraph to the article that talks about the role of Himara in the Albanian revolt against the Turks, and he is hoping to rely on the references that you found. This issue has been discussed over at User talk:EdJohnston#Himara. Maybe you can take a look at that discussion and see if you have anything to add. Have you actually been able to get hold of the books that you listed? The Google Books preview is so scanty it is hard to know what the books actually say about Himara. If you have seen the books, you might be able to give us more information. Thanks for any help you can provide. EdJohnston (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Origin of the Albanians. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. You have been reported at the 3RR noticeboard for your repeated reversions here. Discuss on talk, not in edit summaries. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Some interesting discussion have been occurring in Illyrians talk page. Hxseek (talk) 10:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
The massive revert of content can be considered vandalism, since you reverted (twice) not only the lead but sourced paragraphs of the history section, in wich you didn't give an explanation.Alexikoua (talk) 09:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Please, watch Souliotes. Guildenrich (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the great info on Albanian vowels and the link. I did not add the original table of PIE to Albanian sound correspondences (such as the vowel section) so I am sure there may be some errors there. Vowels are always the trickiest anyway, eh? hehe I will have to take a look over the sources, etc. I have mostly added material for the consonants, such as PIE consonant clusters and their outcomes in Albanian or some dialect material which is relevant. Azalea pomp (talk) 18:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Please I need your opinion on Talk:Souliotes proposed move. Argumento pak të lutem, Balkanian`s word (talk) 08:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I still cherish this message of yours (see here). You might be interested in this discussion. Best! --sulmues (talk) 15:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I saw that you are adding sources to the Taskforce Albania, so I send you and email with some sources I have so you can check them.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 13:47, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Aigest. Your posting on my talk page makes me think you might be taking the wrong approach. On the internet it is always very hard to work out what people really intend, so when you are trying to get a job done it is best to forget that question and look at what people actually do. In other words, if the other person is not actually inserting original research or openly proposing to, then there is no point discussing whether that is what they really want to do. My proposal is that you try to work out what all editors can accept and then go with whatever intersects that set of limts. That will be where you end up eventually anyway?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I started a discussion here [1]. Take a look when you have enough free time.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 15:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
You might want to see this discussion that I started and give your opinion. Thank you for your contributions to the Albania Wikiproject! --sulmues talk contributions 11:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Are you serious with this? If he didn't try to provoke as much as possible on Molossians, Thesprotians, Pyrrhus of Epirus and Pyrros Dimas (and lots of others), he wouldn't be having all these problems. Athenean (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
As discussed, since Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/Albania/Participants will be replaced by Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania/Members I deleted your name from the former. It's now in the latter. Best! --Sulmues talk 20:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh something else: could you please give some thoughts as to what layout would be best for the Albania TF? I have seen many country Wikiproject pages and each one is different, but it's worth putting together some templates. Vinie, Zjarri, Kedadi, you and I are the most active as of now, so to us the burden. --Sulmues talk 20:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
We agree that they were Thracians. What's the meaning of your controversial edit?Alexikoua (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I mentioned your name in a proposal I made at WP:AE, in the thread about Kedadi [2]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Further to this arbitration enforcement request and by the power vested in me under Wikipedia:ARBMAC#Discretionary_sanctions, you are hereby placed on a reverting restriction on all Balkans-related articles in the following terms:
This restriction applies until the end of June. You may appeal the restriction to me, to WP:ANI, or to the Arbitration Committee. Stifle (talk) 10:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in this board, which I just created. Please feel free to bring there your concerns. Cheers! --Sulmues Let's talk 01:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
As I explained my position here on kedadi talk [3] and on FutPer talk page [4] I don't see myself in tag teaming with quick reverts along with other guys. Just please have a look at my contributions and you will notice that I was very careful in following rules, I always tried to talk in talk pages before making changes to the articles. I find FutPer accusation of "tag teaming with quick rv"unbased in my case and your last decision accordingly so. Please consider once again my case Aigest (talk) 22:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
I feel like Aigest was the sacrifical lamb in this process, because his revert was very well founded. For that matter I hadn't broken any rule either, but I endorsed FPS proposal because I felt like we should stop the wars. So if it matters, I apologize to Aigest for having endorsed FPS's proposal because it probably hurt him, but I just believed that it is best not to have other Albanians blocked/banned. We need new contributors and a fresh start. Sorry again and please don't hold and grudges, :-). --Sulmues Let's talk 13:35, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar | ||
For the many improvements to the articles that you have made, I never tire of giving you barnstars, which is the minimum that I can do after what I learn from your contributions. Sulmues Let's talk 01:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC) |
I was following you. --Sulmues Let's talk 22:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
It'll be Nobility of Albania, consistent with other similar articles in Wikipedia. Send me an email, see top of my talk page. --Sulmues Let's talk 22:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC) Ata artikuj do ndihmojne shume pasi te njejtat referenca do perdorim per Pashalliqet shqiptare. --Sulmues Let's talk 22:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC) Nuk e kam lexuar Pellumbin dhe nuk e gjej online. --Sulmues Let's talk 22:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC) Lexo emailin qe te dergova. --Sulmues Let's talk 23:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC) Oh, ti flet per Masakren e Bejve te Manastirit, qe Kadareja e pershkroi te "Komisioni i Festes"? --Sulmues Let's talk 23:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC) Nuk e kisha menduar. Nje masaker e Barthelemiut qe coi ne vonesen e pavaresise. Ajo masaker duhet te ngelet ne historine e popullit shqiptar. Eshte e cuditcme qe ne Manastir kane ndodhur dy ngjarje shume te rendesishme (nje e keqe nje e mire). --Sulmues Let's talk 23:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
It's a very good article, and you'll get some help from great Wikipedians. Template_talk:Did_you_know#Monastir_massacre_of_1830. Hope you don't mind. I'll also work on the article. --Sulmues Let's talk 14:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
One other thing: Can you please provide the page in Vickers where you see the reference? And possibly provide inline citation? The hook should be verifiable in English for a DYK. --Sulmues Let's talk 15:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
What do you think? --Sulmues Let's talk 19:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
For Noblety of Albania: It'll be in four parts: pre-Ottoman, Ottoman (see Ottoman_titles), William, Prince of Albania, and Zog of Albania. The Ottoman part will be probably the largest. --Sulmues Let's talk 21:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Zylyftari: Ought to be another DYK. Paska edhe nje bust ne Louvre sipas enciklopedise shqiptare--Sulmues Let's talk 03:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
--Sulmues (talk) 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
--Sulmues (talk) 15:07, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
invasion of Albania Aigest (talk) 14:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Please give one reference per paragraph at least. Le te jete e njejta se i rregulloj une. --Sulmues (talk) 14:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi Aigest. Not sure I'll find time to look at it and unfortunately I did not read it before either. Someone who writes a lot about Balkans genetics is Dienekes. See http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/03/y-chromosomes-of-albanian-populations.html Does that help? I think the article was also discussed on the haplozone forum at http://community.haplozone.net/ --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
BTW you also mentioned I2a. Ken Nordtvedt is looking into that and looking for Albanians: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2010-08/1282926993. --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 13:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Qemal Butka eshte notable si "mayor". Ganiun nuk e njoh, keshtu qe mund te jete problem notability. --Sulmues (talk) 19:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This is the GHM source [15]. Read the last sentence of the first paragraph. What does it say? The intellectually honest thing would be to revert yourself. Thank you. Athenean (talk) 15:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Please, since this is the en.wiki, try to speak English here; or (ok, ok) create an "al.wiki". Falemnderit! HJJHolm (talk) 15:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
I'll make a couple of edits here and there mainly to close on the DYKs that are still to be approved, but in general I'm going to hold off from Balkan related topics for some time. It's not picking my interest any more: I don't have the excitment of one year ago. You, on the other hand, have done an excellent job and can self nominate to DYK and also work on the refs and wikification: by now you have plenty of experience and are an expert in the area. --Sulmues (talk) 16:00, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
The Citation Barnstar | ||
For the many inline references that you have provided, which make other people's contributions stand out for future checks. My personal thank you! Sulmues (talk) 01:13, 12 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Materialscientist (talk) 07:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Sure, to you I will listen because like Sulmues you are a damn good editor with good potential and you are neutral. You both see all sides not like the Greco-Serb block acting together. Prince of Kosova (talk) 12:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
The Albanian Barnstar of Neutrality and Fine Editting | |
For your works for telling the truth to brainwahsed Greco-Serbs | |
this WikiAward was given to Aigest by Prince of Kosova (talk) 12:35, 11 September 2010 (UTC) |
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— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
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...And you're at 3. Well done! The Albanian Revolt of 1847 can still be a great DYK if you give some inline sources... --Sulmues (talk) 05:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I like your edit. Good job. Athenean (talk) 12:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
--Sulmues (talk) 02:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Coje nje cike ate punen tende per revolten 1833-1839 ne DYK se eshte gjynah. DYK ngelet ne historine e Wikipedias.--Sulmues (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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— Rlevse • Talk • 00:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Cheers!--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 08:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Second. Feel free to move it back. I really don't remember much from my history lessons. --Sulmues (talk) 13:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Epo i bie qe ai qe cuam ne GA ishte i treti atehere. 1443, 1448 and 1449 (GA). --Sulmues (talk) 13:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
--Sulmues (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
You should be cautious of this type of article it is from the first years when people were first playing around with this stuff. I would say that what it basically found is that populations closer to the Middle East are more genetically close to Middle eastern populations if you compare to populations further away. Everything is based on very crude assumptions, which were maybe more acceptable a few year ago than they are today. The most important assumption they make is that any haplogroup which seems to have come from the Middle East to the Balkans must have done so during the Neolithic. In reality, even though this is reasonable it is not certain. It is obviously true that many academics do love the idea, and these early papers almost treated it as obvious, but this is not a consensus. I'd say there were a lot of different waves of early farmers, right into the Bronze Age and maybe even the Iron Age?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi again. Short answer is that researchers do not all agree. Did you see the latest though? http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/11/near-eastern-origin-of-european.html http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/11/european-man-of-many-faces-cain-vs-abel/ --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Sa kam marre librat e Schmittit dhe Frasherit. Te dy thuajn qe ishte ne 1448 rrethimi i Sfetigradit.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Aigest! I am aware of your calmness on edits, also your knowledge on linguistics seems to be interesting. I want to nominate you for an Administrator! Would that be OK with you? —Anna Comnena (talk) 14:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that you have posted comments in a language other than English. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you, and sorry for template! It is faster. :) --WhiteWriter speaks 20:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello Aigest! I have been mulling about the names of the medieval Albanian biographical articles for some time. Shouldn't the first names at least be in English, i.e. "George Arianit Komneni", etc.? I understand that because Albanian uses the Latin alphabet, it is easier to maintain the native form, but this is standard practice both in WP (at least for non-modern people, where close transliteration is followed) and in literature (consider Fine's Balkan books, heavily used in these articles) with all sorts of languages, like French, German or even Greek. It certainly makes it easier to remember and/or recognize a name. What do you think? Constantine ✍ 14:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I added some of this info to the footnote. Benwing (talk) 00:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
i copyedited a little bit. the article is very interesting and must be used. this reminds of another article: http://albanianhistory.net/texts15/AH1474.html. it seems very interesting and should also be used in the future.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
After 7 questions Antidiskriminator finally brought the source that supposedly has information about the non-Albanian soldiers of Skanderbeg. The source not only had no information about these non-Albanian soldiers of Skanderbeg, but also Antidiskriminator was quoting a section about Skanderbeg's enemies and not his allies.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 01:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Copy edited, did some refs mgmt and wrote the lede to Albanian Revolt of 1910. Please review. I brought it to DYK: let's see if good editors will give feedback. Once that it goes to DYK, it is safe to bring it directly to GA, in my opinion it is ready. --Sulmuesi (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
--Sulmuesi (talk) 15:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/3a5ef/ --66.131.205.127 (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Template:Campaignbox Ottoman-Albanian Wars's top points to the League of Lezhe. One thing at a time. I agree with you though. --Sulmuesi (talk) 08:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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Materialscientist (talk) 12:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey Aigest. Do you know where I could find Noli's work online? It used to be on Google books but now it's only in snippet-view-mode. I was planning to work on Skanderbeg's Italian Expedition soon and he writes a very good section on that. If all else fails, can I trust you to add what Noli says? Thanks a lot.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 03:54, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I just added some tables to PIE verb giving the outcome of various classes of PIE verbs in various daughter languages. The section on Albanian is full of blanks because I don't have a good reference on it (in fact I don't even know of a good reference). Could you help fill in some blanks? Thanks! Benwing (talk) 07:52, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Don't feed the troll. I am guilty of doing this, but I will try and hold myself back.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Please respond to this discussion--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 22:29, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
See my comment here. Does Noli mention this battle?--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 20:14, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you collaborated on articles related to Dacia and thought this could be of interest: WikiProject Dacia is looking for supporters, editors and collaborators for creating and better organizing information in articles related to Dacia and the history of Daco-Getae. If interested, PLEASE provide your support on the proposal page. Thanks!!--Codrinb (talk) 05:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
No, not the style of editing. The "notability." Did you read WP:CORP? The person who tagged the article wasn't sure this bank was notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Are there published articles or something that talk about the bank? That's basically what you need, to prove that this isn't just some bank on some street corner that we can't (or shouldn't) write a decent article about. NickelShoe (Talk) 12:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Excuse my late reply, I hadn't seen your message on my talk page before. I have proposed deletion of BKT on the basis of the notability guideline for organizations and companies (WP:CORP), which I partially transcribe here: "A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, independent of the subject and independent of each other." Rjgodoy 14:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Illyrians. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Haha, I don't mind at all. I'm actually quite happy that I'm no longer the only one trying to maintain the article. :) Thank you.
By the way, I have a question about the siege of Sfetigrad. Did the siege of Sfetigrad occur in 1448 or 1449? Sources differ, and the ones that are specializing in the study of Skanderbeg usually say 1449, at least as far as I know. It should be worth noting that Skanderbeg's personal biographer ([16])says 1449. Other sources, like encyclopedias and general histories of the crusades say 1448. Do you know what other historians say? Thanks.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I can help everyone who talks with facts and references,if you want you can use my article,or even modify it,if you think that something is not proper,but you should always use references for your edits.--Jurgentalk 20:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC) 18:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Duhet shtuar ne zerin legacy me shume per prejardhjen, aty e ka vendin. ne hyrje mjafton nje fjali. Pershendetje, Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey ;-)
What do you think about including this photo on the Illyrians page...it looks pretty cool. Interestedinfairness (talk) 14:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(Interestedinfairness (talk) 14:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)).
Have you by any chance read, the Crescent and the Eagle: Ottoman Rule, Islam and the Albanians, 1874-1913 by George Gawrych? Thanks for your suggested reading by the way, looks good. Interestedinfairness (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, national hero does not mean necessarily hero kombetar, in the way it is used in the Albanian language, but a hero of the nation. Mos harro se edhe Azem Hajdari eshte hero kombetar ne Shqiperi zyrtarisht, edhe pse kjo nuk perdoret nga qytetaret. But, there is no problem with your edit.Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hidh nje sy te te gjitha artikujt per Camet, i gjen te template:Cham Albanians. E kam perfshire pjesen juridike edhe te Cham issue edhe te seksioni perkates ne faqen kryesore Cham Albanians#Cham issue. Pres mendimin tend.Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user working on articles concerning the Balkans. Before any such sanctions are imposed, editors are to be put on notice of the decision. This notice is issued in view of your edits to Illyrians. It is not to be taken as implying any inappropriate behaviour on your part, merely to warn you of the Arbitration Committee's decision. Thank you. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Aigest, the above note is a standard notification template, but I wanted to add a note that comments such as [17] do nothing to improve the discussion and could be understood as a violation of Wikipedia policy on personal attacks. --Akhilleus (talk) 02:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I give Aigest a lot of credit for trying to find a common language with them and bringing reliable sources specially in his latest work the Illyrians.His work is to be admired.In the other hand users like me are avoiding editing this pages and giving up on Wikipedia.Best regards --Taulant23 (talk) 05:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Aigest edhe njehere bravo per punen dhe referencat qe sjell ketu. Ky perdorues qe po na jep kaq shume probleme ka kohe qe une merrem me te,2 vjet po e po.Si maskara qe eshte,ndryshoi edhe akauntin e tij dhe emrin.Tani na hiqet si njeri tjeter.Kot per merak,shko shiko discussion tek qytetet e jugut ose tek Epiri i Veirut aty i ke gomarlliqet e tij.
Mbaj mend ne Iliret si artikull e mbaruam, vume dhe lidhjen me Shqipetaret.Si tek gjuha si tek disa libra etj.Nuk zgjati shume dhe çdo gje u fsheh,autoret e librave mbi Iliret u bene pseudoautor,shtremberruan fjalite,gjerisa arriten sot te vene Nationalistic ideas..Jane dhe dy te tjere te cilat kane biles edhe 2 akaunte (kuptohet nga Anglishtja the IP adresa) qe veprojne ne menyre te njejte.
I kane bere qytet e jugut Greke te tera.Keshtu ndodhi edhe me artikullin mbi Shqiperine, kur luftuan te heqin si pjesen mbi Iliret,Pellasget etj.Me Pellasget une u dorezova pasi isha dhe vetem por edhe pse nuk gjeta ndonje liber ta mbeshteti kete fakt.Per Iliret jam zene shume me keta.Jane nacionalista te medhej. Duhet vepruar me gjakftohesi,dhe zgjuarsi.Duhet gjetur ne nje menyre a tjetren se si ti psh te behesh admin ose pse jo te gjejme nje admin tanin.Nje menyre tjeter eshte te ankohemi diku kur na digjojne dhe te sjellim same shume informacione.Gjithesesi nuk behet karar me keta qelbesira,jane shume te poshter,çdo gje qe ti sjell ta hedhin posht..Une do mundohem te te ndihmoj por puna dhe shkolla me zene pjesen me te madhe te javes.Flasim,--Taulant23 (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Shko pak ketu [20] te shikojme mos bejme ndonje gje te hajrit.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hidhi nje sy kesaj harte.[21] --Taulant23 (talk) 23:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Kur te mundesh me dergo msn-in tend, qe te flasim te tere atje per wikipedian --Sarandioti (talk) 22:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
If I want to get more serious about studying Paleo-Balkan languages, I'll have to acquire specialized books on the Albanian language. Till then do you know the suffix used to form nouns (drinker) from verbs (drink) in Albanian? This is concerning (leader) and (lead). It looks clear that Illyric/Delmatic like Liburnian/Venetic/Greek/Latin and some other IE languages in historic times still had the -tor suffix to form nouns from verbs (see pre-Roman Venetic inscriptions and Illyric/Delmatic names). Alex (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
pi-pijës (drink, drinker), prij-prijës(lead, leader). Aigest (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Faktikisht ate bera, e ke te f 57Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
See If you can help. [22] and here [23] --Taulant23 (talk) 20:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank yoiu for the links.They are a great.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
lol man I was just thinking of you look at this [24] you and me have been here for a long time, hehehe.Got the message!!--Taulant23 (talk) 06:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
The genetic links are AWESOME,dude GREAT JOB!!Taulant23 (talk)
You earn it, the Albanian Barnstar of National Merit.BRAVO!!! check ur userpage.--Taulant23 (talk) 07:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
u bubu dako po na le pa gjume,pune e bukur..--Taulant23 (talk) 07:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hm apparently (King and Underhill 2008)[59] just like Battaglia have contradicted Cruciani about the Bronze age, they go more with estimation of Battaglia "The calculated expansion time of haplogroup E3b1a2- V13 in mainland Greece is 8,600 y BP at Nea Nikomedeia and 9,200 y BP at Lerna/Franchthi Cave and is consistent with the late Mesolithic/initial Neolithic horizon. These dates exceed those reported previously for Europe (Cruciani et al., 2007) that date to the Bronze Age. This discrepancy arises mainly because of differences in the choice of mutation rate used." and also the Pericic data are also discussed because higher values of E-V13 are found in mainland Greece "One can point to another post-colonization population influx into Crete (1100 BC) this time from Greece, as represented by V13 which occurs at ca. 35% frequency in both Thessaly and the Peloponnese while its frequency on Crete is only 7%, indicating a mainland contribution to the Cretan Y chromosome inventory, albeit no more than 20%.". So more likely that the E-V13 mutation happened in Neolithic in South Balkans (Battaglia 2008,Underhill 2008) Regarding the actual Albanian population the E-M78 is represented only by E-V13, giving the closed nature of Albanian society, the absence of other markers (otherwise some other markes should have been retained) indicate that at least they were no near Anatolian area (as for the E-M78). If the data of Underhill are to be confirmed the frequency of E-V13 in continental Greeks (35%) is surprisingly similar with that of the Albanians (32%). If it originated in South Balkans (Thessaly area I suppose) that puts the contribution of E-V13 to the neighboring populations of regions of South Illyria, Ancient Macedonia and Thracia. Since there are no other markers of E-M78 except for E-V13 in current Albanian population that puts them in Macedonia or South Illyria (we are speaking of Neolithic here no nations just regions) just for the Hg E contribution. As for the Hg J contribution also in the current Albanian population is represented mostly by M12/M102 (14.3%) with some contributions from M67 (3.6%), M267 (3.6%) and M92 (1.8%). According to Semino 2004 J-M12(M102) shows its maximum frequency in the Balkans. In spite of the relative high value of variance of this haplogroup in Turkey (Cinnioğlu et al. 2004)—which, however, could be due to multiple arrivals—the pattern of distribution and the network of J-M12(M102) (figs. 2 and 4) are consistent with its diffusion in Europe from the southern Balkans again the distribution in Europe from Southern Balkans Again here the subgroup M172* itself (expanded in Anatolia region and in Greece an Macedonia) it is not represented in current Albanian population just like the Croat population. The M12 is considered to have followed the Adriatic route (N-C Italians 9.6%, Croatians 6.2%, Greeks 6.5% no presence in Hyngary). It is too much to consider again a genetic drift for the current Albanian population (It should have been very selective and smart gene selecting only E-V13 and M12 for the current Albanian population:)). So in the end considering what is to be the contribution of HgE and HgJ in the current Albanian population it is with a big % presented by population generated in South Balkans which moved North and West (Semino M12 west, also Battaglia V13 and M12 West, while Cruciani North and West) propably in Neolithic times (Battaglia 2008, Underhill 2008) and small signs of Anatolian connection (M67 (3.6%), M267 (3.6%) and M92 (1.8%) which could also have arrived through Adriatic sea just like in Puglia or North Italy). As for the HgI as I remember the conclusions of Rootsi 2004 "Nonetheless, the I1a data in Scandinavia are consistent with a post-LGM recolonization of northwestern Europe from Franco-Cantabria, whereas the expansion of I1b* in the east Adriatic–North Pontic continuum probably reflects demographic processes that began in a refuge area located in that region" so the refuge for the population regarding I1b* should have been in that line east Adriatic–North Pontic, an imaginary line from Dalmacia to Moldova peaks (24.1%) descending through Southern Balkans (Albanians 17%, Greeks 8.4%) and not in Peloponesium or Anatolia. Also is interesting that is not presented in Northern Italia (1%). Nice work!!--Taulant23 (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Bah, I dont think it shows changes on the rythm. Make me a favour, kerko ne internet nje Çamçe te vertete, se une nuk jam dhe aq i mire ne dallimin mes çamçes dhe valleve te tjera çame dhe mund ta kem ngaterruar. ok?Balkanian`s word (talk) 12:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, the one I gave demonstrates that s becomes h when it is an s followed by the k'. Typically, PIE *sk' yields h in Albanian. But, you should also include other outcomes of PIE *s in Albanian if there are any. PIE *s becomes many many things in Albanian depending on the surrounding consonants and also possible ancient interdialectal borrowing. Azalea pomp (talk) 02:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Nuk e kam sot ditelindjen, por faleminderit ne advance:). Do perpiqem ta shkruaj kete te origjines, por te lutem futu pak te diskutimi per camet, se po me cmendin me budallalleqe. Rrofsh:)Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Te lutem hidhi nje sy, se eshte nje nacionalist qe ska dy gram tryu, qe po me cme ndaty te camet.Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I think we shouldn't make the tables too wide for some people don't have very large screens. I have looked through Orel's book although some of his reconstructions are controversial. I did see an interesting etymology of Albanian çandër from PIE *k'entrom Azalea pomp (talk) 07:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
çandër is in the Oxford Albanian English Dictionary, it means prop or a forked support to support a fence or a wall. Orel has the etymology on page 4.
Found here: http://books.google.com/books?id=xvKH56aT5mEC&pg=PT1&dq=albanian+etymology
Demiraj mentions that in ftoh the tp changes to pt (then ft) due to metathesis. This is from the online database:
Albanian form ftoh Query method Match substring
Albanian form: ��0000">ftoh {2} [verb] (tg)
Meaning: to cool
Gramm. forms: Present: ��0000">ftoh; Aorist: ��0000">ftoha; Part.: ��0000">ftohur / ��0000">ftohe¨
Proto-Albanian: tpŒ-(h) {1}
Quasi-IE: t(e)p-eh1-
Page in Demiraj AE: 173
IE reconstruction: tep-
Meaning of the IE root: to be warm?
Page in Pokorny: 1069
Latin: tepe¡ `to be lukewarm, tepid'
Notes: {1} Rebuilt analogically after the original inchoatives. {2} From a metathesized preform ptoh.
Found here:
http://www.indoeuropean.nl/cgi-bin/startq.cgi?flags=endnnnl&root=leiden&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Calb Azalea pomp (talk) 19:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Three cases of falsification of sources. I did no personal attack I just told him that
To falsify three sources in a single paragraph by itself characterize the person. If you still have reservations about him I will provide ten more falsifications just to ensure you that all these are not "mistakes" but a consistent try to mislead all of us and especially the readers. Finally, personal attack is to write to someone "E telika eisai poly ..." that in Greeks means "So finally you are very..." which is at the start of that chapter signed by him. In which I was avoided to answer. Regards, --Factuarius (talk) 00:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Falsification of source nr.4.
Some imagination indeed, I like the details "except the primary homes and the small farms inside the villages". "Farms inside the villages"???? An answer Balk? --Factuarius (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Falsification of source nr.5.
Falsification of source nr.6.
An answer Balk? --Factuarius (talk) 20:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)