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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

X-Men: Evolution merchandise releases[edit]

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Violates WP:SPAM; WP:NOT; article should redirect to X-Men: Evolution, but was denied by original poster. mhking (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

There are plenty of well written articles about Marvel toys. See Wikipedia:Notability (toys and games) for toyline notability.

"The toy or game represents a significant milestone in the development of toys or games, or has demonstrated some form of historical, cultural, or technical significance, or has had a major impact on culture or pop-culture, as referenced through a notable documentary or retrospective. [7] This criterion includes the first game to use a game mechanic which was later widely adopted; the first to be published in a certain way, for example online or print-on-demand; or which is otherwise described as a significant milestone by multiple reliable sources. " The Burger King line was the first to be published with the inclusion of a mini cd-rom. Which would make it notable via the "first to be published in a certain way" clause.


List of works doesn't have Toy or DVD information. If you have a link as to the style of writing for such a list feel free to link to it so the article can be updated to it. 74.47.108.87 (talk) 00:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


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Editor Count: 2 Creator: Jakub Horky Nominator: Carlossuarez46

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The result was redirect to VMware. JForget 22:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Note: During the AFD discussion HGFS was moved to Host-Guest File System. Both have being redirected to VMware

HGFS[edit]

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Delete unsourced one-liner about software that says what it's used with, but no context about what it's used for or why it's notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Geraint Benney[edit]

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fails both WP:POLITICIAN and WP:BIO. The only sources and references I can find are either unreliable or fail WP:NOT#NEWS, such as reports that he received death threats from elvis fans. Even assuming these references about death threats pass the basic tenets of WP:BIO, they make him a person notable for a single event, and such people aren't article-worthy. Ironholds (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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Anttonieo Madison

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Anttonieo Madison[edit]

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Not notable enough, searches only turn up blog sites. Delete per WP:BIO. AtheWeatherman 19:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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At What Cost?, Cornell

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 00:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

At What Cost?, Cornell[edit]

Tagged as speedy, but article claims some slight notability. Abstain for now. brenneman{T}{L} 03:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


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International Federation of Sports Chiropractic

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 16:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

International Federation of Sports Chiropractic[edit]

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Non-notable organization. No significant coverage (other than trivial mentions or web listings) to be found in Google news or Google web. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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Andy J Gallagher

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Andy J Gallagher[edit]

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Non-notable musician. Yet to garner significant coverage in reliable sources or any other indicia of notability. Bongomatic 17:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was merge to Zoids. Brandon (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Bio-Zoids[edit]

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This is a trivial list of toys without any sources to verify them or anything to assert some kind of notability. TTN (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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  • I strongly suggest actually looking over WP:N before using it in your arguments. "The notability of a parent topic is not inherited by subordinate topics" directly counters your argument. You need sources to independently establish notability, not some search on eBay. TTN (talk) 01:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Ohh I know the notability guidelines . What I expressed was that the Items themselves, as a group are, notable. These items are part of that group, hence notable. Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 01:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • And as I quoted, notability is not passed down to subtopics. Zoids is notable as a franchise, but that does not mean that its twenty or so different toy lines are also notable. You need to provide reliable sources that provide signifcant coverage of the topic in order to show that this specific release is actually notable. TTN (talk) 01:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Sorry to disagree here but each release of that particular item is not a new toy line requiring the establishment of notability for each and every item in that particular group of items that has already been found notable. If that were the case, your next project should start with the Barbie line of toys. As noted here [4] she even has here own catagory. Thanks ShoesssS Talk 01:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Again, please actually read over the notability guideline. You keep linking to it, but you don't seem to actually understand it at all. Notability is established by sources. That's it. It doesn't matter what Barbie, G.I. Joe, or any other franchise does with their articles. They don't set a precedent, and even then, that category only contains a couple of different toy lines from what I can see, and they aren't even directly related to Barbie anyway. TTN (talk) 01:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry you are missing my point. The notability for these items is already established through their use in both being part of the Zoids group and through their use in Anime as specifically talked about in Anime News Network. What you are asking for is that Bio Raptor be found notable seperate from Bio Ptera and that Bio Ptera be found notable seperate from Bio Raptor and that Bamburian be found notable on its own merit, from any of the three listed above and seperate from the twenty that follow. The individual items do not have to be found notable but only the group as a whole, which they are marketed, not seperatly per say, but as part of a series. As I stated above typicaly I would have just recommended a merge/redirect, but with the amount of information on eaxch and every item, that would distract from the main article. You are reading to much into the notability guidelines. Thanks ShoesssS Talk 02:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually, separate toys do need to be notable to be included in that form. They're basically just advertisements in a list format like that. If they are summed up in paragraph form (i.e. only a select few would actually be named), that would be fine. After that, the specific release does need to assert notability. It cannot exist on its own without reliable sources. TTN (talk) 03:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. There is sufficent consensus from non-SPA accounts to close this AFD for a keep, otherwise there was no consensus for deletion anyways. JForget 22:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Logan Lynn[edit]

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Non-notable musician. Does not satisfy any relevant notability guideline (WP:GNG or WP:MUSIC). Bongomatic 17:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Which source do you consider reliable that provided significant coverage?
  • New Now Next. Self-described blog. Not RS.
  • Willamette Week Online. Local interest paper. Reliable vis-a-vis facts, but not for notability purposes.
  • Google profiles. Self-published, not independent.
  • Own website. Self-published, not independent.
  • Just Out blog. Self-described blog. Not RS.
  • Just Out (potentially main site, not blog). Not RS.
  • Logo online. Not RS, not significant coverage.
  • Billboard. Directory entry only, not significant coverage.
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Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:BAND. Warrior4321 23:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Per what? The fact that she? was on MTV? The article does not pass WP:GNG or WP:BAND. Please see WP:PERNOMINATOR as well. warrior4321 17:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Per what the other keep sayers has pointed out already.. which i agree on.--Judo112 (talk) 17:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Well all i can say is that it seems like most people dont agree with you andthat the article indeed passes WP:GNG, you need to read WP:Assume good faith.--Judo112 (talk) 17:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
"What" have the other editors pointed out already?
Are you talking about this: MTV says she is notable, so she is. Otherwise they wouldn't bother interviewing her and showing her videos.
Or this :I believe the article should be kept. I have been working on the article as well and I believe it falls under the guidelines that it needs to fall under.?
One is talking about another person, and the other has been working on the article, and does not want their article to be deleted. Please provide a reason for deletion by yourself. warrior4321 17:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
"Who" does not agree with me? Are you talking about these users : XXSoulSurvivorXx (talk · contribs) PDXProlific (talk · contribs) 66.193.40.138 (talk · contribs). All of those users have made no contributions outside of Logan Lynn. So, who exactly does not agree with me? Three single purpose accounts, someone who worked on the article and does not want it to be deleted, or someone who has the wrong person in mind? warrior4321 17:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The article is well-written and all sources indicate notability in one way or another... Even one source would have been enough for establishing the minimum of fame/notability for a singer. You dont have to be extremely famous like Britney Spears etc etc.. to be worthy of your own Wikipedia article.--Judo112 (talk) 17:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Are any of those sources reliable? warrior4321 18:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
And the fact that she has released a number of studio albums talks for itself....--Judo112 (talk) 17:44, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Logan is a male? Who exactly is she? warrior4321 18:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Dont blame me for someone elses mishap... i know that she is a he:)--Judo112 (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

KEEP - well-written and sourced article already exists. Keep it. #REDIRECT Target page name —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astanhope (talkcontribs)

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The result was no consensus. lack of consensus on WP:N/WP:ORG JForget 22:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Mesothelioma Applied Research Foundation[edit]

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Non-notable charity with no reliable sources listed and none found outside of press releases and social networking sites. TNXMan 15:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment It was previously deleted for being written like an advertisement and I recreated it with less of an advertising spin and included information on their lobbying practices. It is a notable charity within a niche community but I think that with the recent attempts to add it to mesothelioma, something odd is going on. I'll remain neutral on this. Boston2austin (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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Comment and Edit to article. Google book pages or anything with an ISBN aren't automatic keepers; they have to meet the same standards as any other reliable source. The above links provide little more than a paragraph of coverage of this subject, hardly the stuff of "significant coverage", but if they are going to be considered as reliable sources or evidence of notability, then the content they contain should definitely should be included as I did here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mesothelioma_Applied_Research_Foundation&diff=313523093&oldid=311097860. 07:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Conquering Cancer: Progress in 2003 covers Mesothelioma Applied Research Foundation (abbreviated MARF) in significant detail. It is not solely a paragraph long. This article from the Star Tribune (see here for proof that this abstract is about this foundation) is much longer than a pargraph, so it means that the organization has received "significant coverage". Cunard (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment: I agree with Flowanda on this one -- Cunard, it's better next time to add the said references directly into the article by yourself. I have added the other two after Flowanda from your list and added some meta info at as well. --Mokhov (talk) 16:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Flowanda and Mokhov, thanks for adding the sources to the article. Cunard (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Brett Chatz[edit]

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This article is about an author who does not meet notability. There are no independent sources writing about the author, nor are there any reviews of his fiction work Serum self-published through Xlibris. As a journalist, there is evidence his work has been published but without any sources writing about him, this only verifies he is a working journalist rather than a notable journalist. The PROD was contested and links added to the article presumably to demonstrate notability. I've reviewed those links and they are generally not independent of the source or is an article written by him. There is also a mention of him in somebody's thesis. None of these links establish notability, and indeed I had found many of them myself when doing my own search before placing a PROD on the article. Now bringing it to AFD for a fuller discussion. See also Talk:Brett Chatz. Whpq (talk) 15:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. JForget 23:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

St. Mungo's Church, Balerno[edit]

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Run-of-the-mill church that appears to fail the notability guidelines. The only at-all-substantive independent source I'm able to find is this, which appears to be part of an exhaustive treatment of every Episcopal church in Scotland, which can't all be notable. Deor (talk) 14:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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I noticed that when I was researching the nomination; but since there are ~25,000 category B listed buildings in Scotland, I didn't (and don't) think that the listing by itself establishes notability. Deor (talk) 11:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Ericka Boussarhane[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking any GNEWS. A number of GHits shown, but most are appearance listing and press release type entries. I could only find a single article of marginal importance supporting the individual. Appears to fails WP:BIO. ttonyb1 (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was keep. JForget 22:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Jessica Jordan[edit]

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non-notable individual - no coverage in significant third party sources of the sort we would associate with a notable individuals. Cameron Scott (talk) 11:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. JForget 22:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Jumping Into Rivers[edit]

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Contested redir to Diana Vickers. This article is about an unreleased, uncharted single by a not-especially-notable artist (talent show contestant). Clearly fails WP:MUSIC: "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song" and as the only ref is to the artist's site that you can download it from, also fails WP:N, WP:V and WP:SPAM. I42 (talk) 10:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Paul Sample (cartoonist)[edit]

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No references to verify notability. Closedmouth (talk) 08:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result of the debate was delete. Resistance is futile! Mailer Diablo 17:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Michael Tang[edit]

Delete. Unverifiable Biography, possible hoax. Blue520 07:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Note this users comment has been restored afer being deleted by User:24.44.52.11.--Blue520 06:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm changing my vote to BJAODN. After reading this article closely, it seems that every single sentence is fundamentally flawed in some way; I've never seen anything like this! GrandmasterkaFile:Blend Flag.jpgImpart wisdom 06:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

There are a lot of outlandish claims and obvious problems with the article. They start at the third sentence: "He was almost immediately born as an orphan because of his parents's subsequent exposure and fall to the AIDs virus and the perpetual lacking of clean drinking water." There is exactly one confirmed case of AIDS from the 1950s, and it was stored plasma from someone in Sub-Saharan Africa in 1959. If he was born in 1959 this means his parents had to have both died from AIDS in 1959 or 1960, long before it was known to exist (the next single known case is in 1969.) This sentence is obviously false and I think much, if not all, of the rest of the article is too, and I won't waste my time checking every single claim in here. GrandmasterkaFile:Blend Flag.jpgImpart wisdom 05:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Before nominating this article I did attempt to check the factuality as it stood at that point in time and a found it to be unverifiable from English language sources. The article has been extensively modified since and in no way did the article contain any information about Professor Chunhe Tang when I nominated it for AfD.--Blue520 08:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • This user changed the implausable "AIDS" to malaria without verification. TKE 23:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment That's interesting, because aside from claims from users with no contributions who just registered, I can't find an editor on here with any credibility that can verify this article. You got links? You've been researching you say. Give me books, give me bios. Don't give me crap that Second Lieutenant in the US Marine Corps has the power to discharge. TKE 23:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Note at the time of posting there is/was no user User: MexicanDude500 the coment was posted by User:24.44.52.11.--Blue520 06:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The Case is Closed. Look at User:Johnny Zhou's, the creator of the article, first version before he took off into this little land of bad, unfunny fiction [9]. TKE 22:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Surf folk[edit]

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A music genre is unlikely to be notable unless the band characterizing it is notable, which it gives no evidence of being. No independent sources. Prod removed by author. Rigadoun (talk) 06:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete Lacks notability as a genre. No independent and relaible sources and I have looked but cannot find any.--Sabrebd (talk) 13:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexander Vitlin[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking GHits substance and with no GNEWS. Fails WP:BIO. ttonyb1 (talk) 05:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete . Marasmusine (talk) 15:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Croc III[edit]

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Article appears to be pure speculation. Yahoo! and Google yield no results related to the game's announcement or release information. Hibana 05:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It is probably a hoax. Attlee Enterprises does not seem to exist. Can't find anything else on it either. RP9 (talk) 19:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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Editor Count: 3 Creator: Marialosmaria Nominator: Ttonyb1

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Anton Trees[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking GHits of substance and with no GNEWS. Fails WP:BIO. ttonyb1 (talk) 05:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 00:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Stu Hughes[edit]

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Delete - Doesn't appear to meet WP:ENT. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 22:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 23:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Rafael Roman[edit]

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Non-notable person. Only claim to fame provided is that he once competed in an international racing competition of very little note. The first source is self-published. This leaves no sources to verify the information in the article. Further, with zero Google news hits that I found, it is highly unlikely that there are sources for this person. RJaguar3 | u | t 05:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was keep. Withdrawn nomination with no delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 08:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Bendigo Weekly[edit]

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Delete, no sources to back up claims. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 03:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


Quite a few reference sources have been included in the Bendigo Weekly article to prove that it does in fact exist as a newspaper, has won a range of awards, has run prominent and effective campaigns successfully fighting for critical infrastructure for the local population, and is a paper with a remarkably high readership in a competitive market. The Bendigo Weekly is notable as a newspaper in several aspects. Firstly, it is one of only two newspapers to cover this large area. It is notable in currently having an astounding 77% readership figure as indicated by the independent Roy Morgan Research organisation.

Since its inception the Bendigo Weekly is notable in the respect that it has had a large impact on the lives of the local population, being instrumental in forcing government to build a pipeline to supply water in a drought prone area. Bendigo Weekly has also been notable in its efforts to secure a public hospital. These claims can be verified by entries in the Parliamentary record "Hansard" where the Bendigo Weekly is named as a source of information. It is also notable in respect of the amount of awards this newspaper has won in a short period of time. From 2006 until 2009 the Bendigo Weekly got no less than 12 awards, remarkable for a country regional newspaper. No less remarkable were the "Walkley" awards won by the Weekly's editor - awards which generally go to city based newspapers. If any newspaper deserves an entry in Wikipedia it is the Bendigo Weekly.


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I don't know where you found the sources as it was quite hard for myself however I congratulate your effort and withdraw my nom.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Flying Snooker[edit]

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Unreferenced article on a (quick-play) variation on the game of snooker that fails to demonstrate any notability. "How to Play" section removed, but what remains is still primarily about the actual game itself rather than its history, impact etc. Delete. I42 (talk) 22:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

"How to Play" section since replaced. I42 (talk) 12:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I oppose this deletion. I'm not sure why this isn't any more notable than other variants of other sports. It is an interesting variation of a popular sport which is clearly played in a number of regions. If I were a snooker player and not aware of this variation I would find the article very informative.

As a compromise perhaps the main snooker article should have a similar section to the darts article where some variants are described fairly briefly whilst others have a distinct page. glynandtess —Preceding undated comment added 20:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC).

The main objection is that there is no indication of notability and no evidence anything is true in the article. Plus, WP criteria explicitly state game guides do not belong here. WP is not a repository for everything and anything, and being interesting is explicitly not, of itself, reason for inclusion. I42 (talk) 22:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm an amateur snooker player from Staffordshire, and have played this variant of snooker, so it's certainly a widespread, if little known, game. I would be surprised if people who are not snooker players have heard of it. I certainly haven't heard of the variants of other sports and games, those which I don't play, and yet many appear on Wikipedia. There is very little information about it elsewhere on the web, and therefore it's inclusion on Wikipedia acts as a informant to people not in the know. Hopefully someone who knows something of it's history (sadly I don't) will come on here and add to the article - after all, that's what Wikipedia is all about. If the article is deleted, that can't happen... Keep. Chingwakabungya (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC).

That is absolutely not what WP is all about - see WP:OR. All WP content must be backed up by published material in reliable sources; the snooker historians should not come here first. I42 (talk) 22:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I support the proposal for deletion. It is a "variant" that someone has dreamt up and has no credibility. I've never heard of it in more than 25 years close involvement with snooker as player and administrator. bigpad (talk) 19:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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This article is a nonsense really, Mr Administrator; one or two people are supporting its retention when there is no justification for it, as I have explained above. It is *not widespread: I have never heard of it. What is to stop me creating a new "variant" of snooker, let's call it "Staffordshire snooker", with 14 reds instead of 15, and to claim that it's commonplace in Belfast? Let's get real here! Regards to all. bigpad (talk) 13:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC) DELETE NOW
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The result was delete. Those "voting" delete bring up valid points that the article does not meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG, as there are not significant, in-depth reliable sources about this individual. Those arguments are more well reasoned than those of the keep side, and so consensus falls towards deleting the article. NW (Talk) 00:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Golan Yosef[edit]

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fails WP:ENT, mainly passing mentions in third party coverage. [12]. LibStar (talk) 02:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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And the fact also pointed out by a source that he is currently doing a new film is also enough for establishing his article.--Judo112 (talk) 19:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 23:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Christopher W. Sudbrink[edit]

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City council member for a city with a population of 3K. Ghits are mainly just local city reports mentioning his activities, but not focusing on him. According to WP:POLITICIAN, this doesn't seem to meet notability guidelines. Also note that the article was almost certainly created by the subject of the article, so there is COI. Mr. Vernon (talk) 02:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

This city is located in the Cincinnati Northern Kentucky Metro area, its a significant part of the metro area, the topic in the article have been reported on and published in local newpapers. Plus he is one of only a few openly gay elected officals in the entire state of Kentucky. Sounds notable to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.11.208 (talk) 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment Note that the only activity the above IP has done is remove the autobio tag from the article (claiming that the article is neutral) several times [13] [14], and modify the entry for Park Hills, Kentucky, city of Mr. Sudbrink's residence. Whether this is a sock or just a friend is left to the judgment of the reader. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Comment Based on suspicious activity of the above IP address and others, I have opened a sockpuppet investigation on CSudbrink and several IP addresses: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Csudbrink. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 01:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Cameron Kaiser[edit]

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Fails to meet notability criteria Paul1337 (talk) 02:42, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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Non-symbiotic Acinomycetes

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 11:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Non-symbiotic Acinomycetes[edit]

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We already have an article at Actinobacteria discussing these bacteria. The article was created by the scientist who discovered them in the lake, whilst WP:COS does allow this, this article is not going to go anywhere in my opinion. Smartse (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:03, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Sara Sidner[edit]

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No sources for this BLP. Not wikified. Willking1979 (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Article appears neutral to me. Willking1979 (talk) 02:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 23:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Davfs2[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 01:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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  • @Ironholds -- it certainly does. Subversion is a notable and widely used version control system today. Plus see other refs. I added for example. --Mokhov (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
  • @Tothwolf -- the references have been found earlier. I suggest to also add them to article when you mention them here, just like I just did. It would help the article tremendously, or, if not tremendously, it may improve it to an acceptable keep level. I added 7 of them to the article. You can add other noteworthy ones as well as help expanding the article. Thanks :-) --Mokhov (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The general topic of WebDAV-based file systems is important enough that Wikipedia should cover them, but articles about the individual file systems would be short and repetitive. So we should create a section of WebDAV (or even a new article) that discusses WebDAV-based filesystems, both the one built in to Mac OS X and those for Linux: davfs2 (the most important, AFAICT), fusedav, and wdfs. (We would keep davfs2 as a redirect, of course.) I'm afraid I'm too busy to do this myself; any volunteers? CWC 04:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Change to merge. This sounds good to me. There is enough coverage to justify brief inclusion of this product as part of another, more generic, article. --DanielRigal (talk) 11:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was speedily deleted. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Grasso[edit]

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Non notable, unpublished writer. I can find no WP:RS Jezhotwells (talk) 17:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I am this author. It looks as if the body of the article has just been taken directly from my myspace page, so the language will no doubt need to be edited for your purpose, but it is more or less factually accurate. FYI, I appear in the books listed below to date, with more in the works this year:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Generation-Hex-Louv/dp/1932857206/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246286504&sr=8-1

http://www.scarletimprint.com/devoted.htm

http://dreamflesh.com/journal/one/

http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/shoppe/equinox_sell.html

I don't know whether this makes me "notable" enough for this entry to remain on wikipedia, but if it helps, I am a published author, speak regularly at festivals and London occult events, and am reasonably well known in my field. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gypsy Lantern (talk • contribs) 15:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment It is, indeed, a complete copyright violation of Stephen Grasso's myspace page. I have requested a speedy deletion (G12) to rectify the situation. Thank you Gypsy Lantern for bringing this to our attention. Editors are encouraged to draft articles in their userspace and bring them to a level where they are useful and do not violate policy before posting them on mainspace. Enki H. (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 11:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Go Chuck Yourself Tour[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG. Non notable concert tour. Nothing that makes this tour any more notable than any of the other thousands of tours each year. Perfectly adequate fan site material but not for Wikipedia Nouse4aname (talk) 10:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

See also the two tours below, nominated for similar reasons to above.

Sum 41 2009 Tour (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 11:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

SoundCloud[edit]

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The subject had nothing but passing mentions on news articles. At its present state, the article has used primary sources excessively. Delete if it cannot be rewritten. Alexius08 (talk) 00:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was no consensus. Sources have been provided though neither demonstrated to fulfill or not to fulfill the requirements of the general notability guidelines. As this discussion has already been relisted twice, I am closing it as not having reached consensus.  Skomorokh  01:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Mister International[edit]

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non-notable beauty competition Cameron Scott (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was speedy keep as withdrawn by nominator. lifebaka++ 00:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Sam Yasgur[edit]

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doesn't meet notability criteria for biographies. Nomination withdrawn (see below). JohnnyB256 (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

  • PS I did find a source to the claim you alluded to in Maxes: Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases‎ - Page 136 As shown here [26]. Hope this helps. ShoesssS Talk 22:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
PSST! Those Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases‎ books are printed compilations of snippets of Wikipedia articles. Notice the "[WP]" at the end of the entry? Deor (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
You are absolutely right! How about this one [27] or this one [28] or this one [29] or maybe this one [30] maybe these are more palatable to everyone's though process. Thanks ShoesssS Talk
I'd like to see something to substantiate the bald assertion that he persuaded his father. It may be an urban legend. If he did, I'd think that he'd be reminiscing to that effect in all the voluminous recent coverage, but he hasn't. A quote from Sam Yagur himself would satisfy me, but I haven't found one.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 23:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Whoa there - if you agree, as in your own words "... voluminous recent coverage". Why would you than bring to AFD? Thanks ShoesssS Talk 23:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Voluminous coverage of Woodstock's 40th anniversary.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • LOL - thanks for the explanation - I always had a tendency to take things to literal. ShoesssS Talk 01:01, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
"It was so rainy that summer, we couldn’t get the crops in," Sam Yasgur told the newspaper. And having been denied permission to hold the festival in Walkill, Lang and his partners were scrambling to find another site. Besides, Sam loved rock and roll. And so Sam lobbied his father to rent their alfalfa field for the concert. Max Yasgur ultimately agreed, seeing an opportunity to tide the farm over financially.
The accounts of Woodstock that I have read make no mention of Sam Yasgur persuading his father, and neither has this been mentioned in the 40th anniversary coverage. Here's a report of a lecture by Sam Yasgur recently[31]. Nothing about persuading his father.
Keep in mind that Sam Yasgur was a grown man, a prosecutor in New York City at the time of the Festival, not a kid living at home. The article until a few minutes ago gave the opposite impression. I don't believe that Sam being mentioned in the press 40 years later as a proxy for his father in some places is sufficient upon which to hang notability. A single quote from Yasgur claiming he talked his father into taking the festival to Bethel would be sufficient, but we don't have even that. If he did it, why is it that we don't have Sam saying, "I said, 'Dad, it would be groovy'" or something to that effect?--JohnnyB256 (talk) 12:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Grillifilms[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this commercial producer. Joe Chill (talk) 00:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. Tone 10:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Islamic marketing[edit]

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This article has multiple problems, firstly the topic does not probably meet WP:N, there are only ~7000 google hits for "islamic marketing". Secondly the article seems to be promoting a new journal that is not launching for another 6 months and the article seems to have been created by the founder of this journal. There are obvious conflict of interest and spamming problems because of this as well as possible original research. Smartse (talk) 21:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I am actually working on developing a comprehensive article on the subject and the small article that has been contributed is only the start of a much larger project. I understand your concerns about promoting self and I already removed my name from the begining of the article. I am adding Islamic Marketing to Wiki for knowldge purposes only. I will remove or rewrite the contents to make sure that there is no conflict of Interest.

This is inceasingly becoming a hot topic and it seems natural that Wiki has something to say about it. Just give me sometime and I think I add something of value to your online encyclopedia.

Clicking the "findsources" links above confirms that this is not a non-notable new OR subject, and I think there could be a valid article here which should attract contributions from others. We should give it a chance to develop, while making sure that COI and promotion issues are monitored. JohnCD (talk) 09:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - I'd have to see evidence that such an article would be more than a "how to" based on those references. From what I can tell from book summaries those are essentially guides on how to market to Islamic areas. -- Atama 18:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 14:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Pancomputationalism[edit]

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Article title seems to be a neologism(WP:NEO). Hardly any references support the assertion that this view is called "pancomputationalism". There's an impressive list of references and external links, almost none of which support the name "pancomputationalism". Google gives very few non-wikipedia hits for the term. Moreover, the entire article is written by User:Gordanadodig, who seems to be one of the authors of a reference listed in the article, thus this might fall under WP:COI (this being pretty much the only article the user has edited on WP). Almost all the google hits on page 1 for "paninformationalism" seem to be about a talk given by Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic, who is possibly User:Gordanadodig. Finally, it seems to be describing the same concept as described in Digital physics. I think redirection to Digital physics might also be a reasonable alternative to deletion. Robin (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree with a merge/redirect with digital physics. 1Z (talk) 09:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was redirect to Jonah Hex#Recurring villains and supporting cast. Tone 20:59, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Tallulah Black[edit]

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fails WP:N. Sources are one that merely mention the character, one that only mentions the character as part of a review of a comic containing her and things like DCU Guide and Comicbookdb, which mention all DC universe people in some way and aren't really indicative of notability. Ironholds (talk) 20:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep That's why its just a stub right now. Up until now I wouldn't have created this article However she's been recurring character within the current Jonah Hex series for a number of years now. In the Six Gun War, the story arc the series is in the middle of, Johan Hex and Tallulah Black are have become lovers, making it pretty clear that she's going to have many more appearances in the future. She's a main supporting character on a series published by a major comic book company. There's more than enough justification for her to have at least a stub and that's why I started it. Stephen Day (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment For the record, I have added a reference link to an interview with the character's creator Jimmy Palmiotti in which its mentioned that Tallulah Black is Jonah Hex's main love interest in the current Jonah Hex ongoing series. Like I said, she's a main supporting character of a series published by DC Comics, a major comic book publishing company. Stephen Day (talk) 23:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Just Merge it with Jonah Hex until there is better information. Sharksaredangerous (talk) 22:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment That would be acceptable to me. :) Stephen Day (talk) 01:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Comment Done, except for changing Tallulah Black into a redirect to Jonah Hex. I wsn't sure I was supposed to do that until after the AfD is done. Stephen Day (talk) 01:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Tendowon[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary Abc518 (talk) 20:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 00:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Northern Ireland national football team head to head[edit]

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An article based on an unreliable source, and an arbitrary cut off date, probably what wp is not Fasach Nua (talk) 19:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment The website appears to be a fansite, and is not official - so as a source, it is unreliable. But is the article itself notable? This is the criteria for deletion? BTW, the information appears accurate according to the FIFA website. --HighKing (talk) 23:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. JForget 00:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Maplehurst Correctional Centre[edit]

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This looks like nothing more than a PR blurb from a prison that isn't particularly notable. Irbisgreif (talk) 20:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional free-content material added, so no longer Speedyable. RM'ed copvio material from the page. I'll wait to see if/how it is further expanded before !voting, as the article is only a few minutes old... ArakunemTalk 20:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. Still a certain promotional tone, if a prison can be said to be promoted, but I have found independent sources (though much is devoted to the Toronto 18). May also be notable for a new approach to prisons in Canada: [34], if editors want to tackle that angle as well. Original article was a PR blurb, as nom correctly noted, and in fact was a copyvio as I noted. That has been resolved now, and I think we have a viable article. ArakunemTalk 18:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 00:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Prisoner's Motion[edit]

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This article is a complete hoax. It says that it's extremely rare, but that it's derived from Jefferson's Manual. If you search the full text of the Manual (available here), not once does it mention any "prisoner's motion." Additionally none of the sources describe the prisoner's motion or mention it by name. A Google search (leaving out the normal judicial use of the phrase) for the term gives back only hits to Wikipedia or mirrors of our content. Steven Walling (talk) 20:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 00:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Emerging Leaders of the Digital World[edit]

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Very small list, with no clear inclusion criteria. UltraMagnus (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

LogMX[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 19:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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Abu Hureira Qasm al-Rimi

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The result was speedy keep. per Nomination withdrawl JForget 23:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Abu Hureira Qasm al-Rimi[edit]

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Non-Notable person that has appeared in a single youtube video. UltraMagnus (talk) 19:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was Keep. There is very substantial and well-argued support for a merge or redirect to Haplogroup CT, and further discussion along these lines can take place on the relevant articles' talk pages; but from an AfD closure point of view, what this debate has established is that Eurasian Adam should not be a redlink on Wikipedia. It should, at minimum, be a redirect.

A closure as "keep" does not prevent a merge or redirect. It merely means that deciding exactly how to proceed from here does not require administrative tools, so the normal talk page procedure is the way forward.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 12:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Eurasian Adam[edit]

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The article is about a (non-notable) term for a subject which already exists: Haplogroup CT Andrew Lancaster (talk) 19:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe this editor does not understand the subject. (I have never noticed any editing on this type of subject before?) A haplogroup is a clade, i.e. a lineage with a common ancestor. It is defined by a common ancestry. Eurasian Adam is also only defined by being the common ancestor of the clade. Nothing else. This article simply puts a Biblical name and a continent name together and attaches them to the concept of this CT clade. Adam is a name being chosen to mean "patriarch" or common ancestor, but nothing else is known about this person other than that he was the common ancestor of this clade. This term is not a separate subject.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 07:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • You are incorrect about my familiarity with this subject and my editing history. If you looked at my user page you would at least be familiar with the articles I started. — Reinyday, 16:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I am sorry if my words came across as over-simplistic, but taken literally they do not say what you think they say. I did not say you are unfamiliar with the subject, only that your statement above shows a misunderstanding upon this particular point. I do not say you never edited similar articles, only that I never came across you doing so before.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • This article does not put "a Biblical name and a continent name together and attaches them to the concept of this CT clade". That would be original research. This article explains a term used in anthrogenealogy to describe a particular supposed human ancestor. It may be less common than African Eve, but it is still a term used. If a human wants to know what the term "Eurasian Adam" refers to, they should be able to go to the Eurasian Adam article of Wikipedia to find out. You are welcome to use the article to explain the linkage with Haplogroup CT, the reason the phrase is problematic to you, the reason the phrase is less common, etc. as long as you provide valid sources for your contributions. You made this deletion nomination despite not being able to get anyone to agree with you on the talk page. You have tried to discredit me instead of addressing my valid argument. I am working hard to assume good faith here. — Reinyday, 16:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I have no problem having a redirect called "Eurasian Adam" nor with mentioning the term on the Haplogroup CT article, if it can be shown that the term is used by more than a couple of people. But there is no reason to have two articles about the same subject. This article is currently a very poor stub, but if its errors were corrected it would basically be an article about Haplogroup CT.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
"Eurasian" Adam is depicted as CDF near the top right. It includes Africans, Asians and everyone else "outside Africa"

The problem faced here is a case of popular culture meets hard science. The term "Eurasian Adam" appears in a few popular science books, such as The Journey of Man. As I have previously mentioned, biblical analogies sell books, and Eurasian Adam is a catchy phrase that is likely to attract attention. The reality is, there is no mutually exclusive Eurasian Adam. Consequently almost no peer reviewed scientific journal per google scholar uses the term, only a few books. The Y-chromosome family tree is a tangled web that makes a mutually exclusive Eurasian Adam impossible. That is Eurasian Adam is the common ancestor of only Europeans and Asians, but no other population. The so called Eurasian Adam, is actually the Adam of Africans, Australians and Native Americans as well, so it is a misnomer. Basically Eurasian Adam is the common ancestor of the entire world, except for 10-20% of Africans. 80% of Africans and the rest of the world are descendants of "Eurasian Adam". Consequently, I recommend merging it into haplogroup CT and providing the necessary caveats that such a mutually exclusive person does not exist. Wapondaponda (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Well said. The "Eurasian" is a hopelessly misleading adjective. I suppose the authors were trying to show with this word that this is not the original Y Adam but a second "Adam" (not Y-Chromsome Adam himself who has no specific haplogroup), where Adam just means common male line ancestor.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Whether or not the term is misleading is totally irrelevant. This is not a discussion of whether or not Eurasian is a good descriptor of human beings. This is discussion of whether or not Wikipedia should have an article explaining what the term "Eurasian Adam" means. You have made it perfectly clear that you don't like the phrase "Eurasian Adam". That does not change the fact that other people should be allowed to read a definition of "Eurasian Adam" if they are seeking one. — Reinyday, 16:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Whether a particular way of referring to a subject is misleading is relevant, if the subject can be explained in a less misleading way without loosing anything, surely? OTOH I agree that this is less important than the main reason for proposing a delete, which is that this subject is about the same subject as another article which already exists. It only exists as a misunderstanding of the science, as is shown by the woeful way that the term was defined in the stub of its text that I fixed today.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
There was a delete proposal tag on the article which was removed by User:Small Victory.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Where has anyone given proof that this term has any significant level of popular acceptance? In any case this article is about the same subject as the Haplogroup CT article, so the difference between merging and deletion is not important.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the subject matter, being quite technical is not ideal for the afd, and could be addressed on the talk page. It would be very difficult for users who are unfamiliar with the subject to pass meaningful judgment. The default assessment would be to keep because "Eurasian Adam" does have some popular culture appeal. It is a problem that is faced on many genetics articles. My concerns with keeping such an article include:
  • Duplication of information in both articles
  • Creating a perception that Eurasian Adam is real
The only meaningful difference between the content of the two articles is that "Eurasian Adam" has some popular culture appeal. Wapondaponda (talk) 20:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not saying there needs to be two articles. You could make Eurasian Adam a redirect to Haplogroup CT (Y-DNA), (I got this backwards in my original note; I've fixed that now) and that article could say whatever is appropriate about how the term Eurasian Adam, while common in the popular press, is not used in the scientific literature. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Just to make sure I understand, are you confident that this is a term with wide acceptance? If it is then of course it could be mentioned on the Haplogroup CT article.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
With 8 independent books hits, an additional 2 independent scholar hits, ~350 web hits (excluding Wikipedia and mirrors, not all checked for independence of one another, and 4 apparently independent news hits for the exact phrase "Eurasian Adam" I'd say that the term qualifies for a redirect at the very least. Thryduulf (talk) 14:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Fine by me. One thing I noticed so far is that at least according to the editors who made this article, different people seem to define the term in different ways, some of which seem to contain pre-suppositions that are wrong. But anyway I have no opposition to including re-direct and section discussions on any notable term even if it is a term involving a misunderstanding.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Not necessarily 8 independent book hits, two are written by the same author, Spencer Wells. A couple of them are somewhat eccentric. With one book suggesting that biblical Adam and Eve, Noah etc were literally real people and corresponding to the genetic haplogroups. One other book actually refers to "Australasian/Eurasian Adam". In any case all of them mention "Eurasian Adam" alongside M168, which is Haplogroup CT. More hits are available for terms relating to M168 such as [M168 y-chromosome on google books, M168 y-chromosome on google scholar and on the web. Haplogroup CT is the latest YCC nomenclature beginning 2008, so we expect it to gain popularity with time. On the web "Eurasian Adam" is likely to be a hit in the blogosphere, as everyone tries to trump up their own specific ancestry. But it is a misnomer. Eurasian Adam lived in Africa, has African descendants and descendants in all the other continents, not just Eurasia.Wapondaponda (talk) 15:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you (Andrew) mean by different people seem to define the term in different ways. If by, different people, you mean, different editors of this article, then you've got a content dispute which you need to resolve on the article's talk page. If by, different authors in the scientific and/or lay press, then you have an external conflict, in which case the article should probably explore the various definitions used, i.e., Some authors (insert refs) use the term to mean X, while other authors (insert more refs) use it to mean Y. If it truly is a term only used in the lay press and never in the scientific literature, you could say that too. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Roy, what I am saying is that the authors of the Wikipedia article as it stands were defining it in several different confused ways at the same time, apparently without realizing it. See below my post in reply to Small Victory's post for an example. But also I only know of this term because of this Wikipedia article. I am not saying that proudly, but only to explain that the term may still require extra discussion to see if the published users of this word use it in a logical and clear way. So if it is a notable term then even though we still certainly need to make a redirect to Haplogroup CT and delete the redundant article, we are going to have to work out where this term sits on the scale between alchemy and pop science. Whatever theories its proponents profess to have, and whatever scientific qualification they have, the term certainly seems chosen to be emotive rather than scientific, so it is already clear enough that it is "pop science". It's been a real problem for Wikipedia articles on these subjects that the scientific literature itself does not have much peer reviewed debate or review, and so pop science, normally 10 or so years old and completely out of date, is often being cited uncritically.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
So, from what you say, it sounds like you and the other editors of this article have a content dispute. AfD is not a good forum to hash out content disputes. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:40, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I asked you several times on the talk page of the article as follows: if this article is just about a term for Haplogroup CT, and nothing else, why then does it deserve a separate article? You have never replied. You always change subject.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
By the way as a demonstration of how off track this is, "Eurasian Adam", if this has any connection to M168, is not going to also be defined as "the ancestor of all Eurasians". He will be one of many ancestors of all living people today, and a direct male line ancestor of nearly all Eurasians and most Africans. All human beings, especially all non Africans (which is apparently what Eurasian means in this term), will have many much more recent common ancestors than him. And indeed all M168+ men will even have much more recent direct male line common ancestors. The differences being delineated here are basic to this subject, and the subject can not be seriously handled in any way which confuses these differences.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The basal Haplogroup E* has been found in one South African male.[1] All other members of haplogroup E are subclades. E1a and E2 are found almost exclusively in Africa. IOW, even the proponent of the E backmigration theory now believes E originated close to the CT branch point in Africa, which means that D & CF or D, C & F left Africa with a small probability that CT left Africa and E returned. Which of these theories is the correctly Eurasian Adam? I would add one other thing, instead of wasting time in these style of arguments, why doesn't someone take the time to improve the Haplogroup D, CT, CF, C and F pages?PB666 yap 16:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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Roy, my apologies if I have confused the issue a bit, but I do not see this as a content dispute. I see no real argument about content between those proposing to delete or keep this article, despite having asked for it. Please check the talk pages.

The comments of myself and Muntuwandi about the types of sources are looking ahead to problems that might arise handling this pop science term in the Haplogroup CT article, or any article where it continues to appear, if it has no consistent and clear definition.

For example is Eurasian Adam defined as the most recent common ancestor of all M168+ men, or is he the first person to have had that mutation. There are likely to be millennia between the two definitions. If Eurasian Adam is a meaningful term, and intended to be equivalent to Y-chromosome Adam, then it should be former of the two. The mutation could have happened virtually anywhere and anytime. Population genetics can help understand major dispersals, but not random single events. It deals with clades, i.e. groups of lineages with common ancestry, and not individuals.

The reasoning for an Afd is and was that:

Actually Y-Adam is the root haplogroup, the haplogroup that includes all humans but paraphyletic to Neandertals or Homo erectus. The point about Y-Adam is that all human males must have a common ancestor. But no other type of male (Neandertal or Erectus) has as far as we know a part of the Y-Adam lineages. The can be contrasted with CT, in which other Eurasians, Americans rarely have other lineages (of recent ancestry), however many africans have CT(DE) haplogroup E lineages. By one criteria it may pass the equivilency test, by the other criteria it fails.

Does that make sense?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it makes sense. I think your point (a) above is the key point for this AfD. Does the term Eurasian Adam have sufficient notability to be worth an entry in the encyclopedia? I look at it from the point of view of a non-technical user. Is it likely that somebody will come across the term Eurasian Adam somewhere (read it in the lay press, hear it on TV, or at a cocktail party, or even as part of a homework assignment), want to learn more about the topic, turn to wikipedia for their research, and type it into the search box. It seems we have one of three choices for what will happen when they hit the "Go" button:
  1. They find that no such entry exists in Wikipedia (and get offered a chance to create the page!)
  2. They get to Eurasian Adam, which discusses the topic as a stand-alone article, linking to Haplogroup CT for more information.
  3. They get automatically redirected to Haplogroup CT, which includes a section talking about the term Eurasian Adam, perhaps explaining why professional geneticists do not use the term.

My feeling is that the first alternative is clearly inferior, and I leave it up to the subject matter experts to figure out which of the second two is preferable. My gut feeling is that (and I respect the fact that you will probably disagree with me) is that the second is better than the third. If Eurasian Adam is a term only used in the lay press, then I suspect anybody who searches for it will be lost in the scientific jargon found on [Haplogroup CT]]. There is value in a simplified explanation (with a pointer to the more hard-core stuff for those who want to dig deeper). The hard part is knowing where the dividing line is between simplified and wrong. I'm certainly not asking that we present any information which is wrong, but try to look at it from the point of view of a 5th grade student working on a homework assignment (or an adult with no scientific training but heard the term on a TV show). If you type in Eurasian Adam and get to In human genetics, Haplogroup CT (P9.1, M168, M294) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup., you're not even going to make it past the first sentence. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Well I would have said that all arguments on this page so far seem to be pushing us to a Merge, your option 3. No one has proposed option 1. You explanation of the case for 2 is the best so far, although I recognize it might be what Reinyday was trying to say on the article talkpage. Thanks for that. I can see that someone coming to Haplogroup CT from a redirect may be a little surprised. I guess this could be helped by making sure "Eurasian Adam" is placed right near the opening. However, as I mentioned there this raises the question of whether this subject can be explained correctly without explaining the science. If the quotes being given are the original source of the term then the people who invented this term did not even know how to define it. For example if we say that M168 is the clade whose ancestor has been referred to as Eurasian or Australasian/Eurasian Adam, then I think that is acceptable. But actually the authors cited wrote a nonsense definition implying that M168 was a mutation that happened first in a man who was the "ancestor of all Eurasians". That is a misunderstanding, and misunderstandings are hard to handle on Wikipedia unless a reviewer has already criticized them somewhere. (OR risk unless other Wikipedians feel the handling is obviously correct.)--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

To keep it distinct, given Roy's posting about avoiding content discussions here, I have started a separate thread on the article's talkpage about the problems Wikipedia will have with this subject independent of the question of whether the subject can be separated from Haplogroup CT. I looked at the sources, and the term does have definition problems, because the various definitions put this concept in definite conflict, apparently out of ignorance, with mainstream science, and therefore the subject can apparently only appear as a notable misconception in this subject area of Haplogroup CT, if at all.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree that if any article is to exist, it would be dominated by caveats and misconceptions rather than any real content. This is an interesting problem. We have a catchy title that was promoted as a means to sell books. The term is misleading or wrong, yet it is popular, though mostly in the wrong places such as blogs, or those trying to prove that biblical stories are literally true. Due to the "catchiness" of the title, it is likely to get positive responses from editors unfamiliar with term. Another misconception that has not been addressed is that Eurasian Adam should actually be Y-Chromosomal Eurasian Adam. As it may give the impression that there was only one person in Eurasia, when in fact it just refers to the common ancestor of just one part of the genome, the y-chromosome. From the Identical ancestors point, there were several Eurasian Adams or just Adams and Eves. So it comes down to should we keep a term or a title, even though we know it is misleading, but because it appeared in 8 books and is popular in blogs. Or should we merge it into the article that has all the scientific facts, though with some jargon. Wapondaponda (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
For large values of some :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
What if we use Y-Chromosomal Eurasian Adam as the new name of the current stub, which then has a well marked link to the main article [Haplogroup CT]]? I tend to think that creating a stub redirect is somehow against a policy somewhere? But I am always thinking.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I think we are reaching a concensus here on what to do. Might I propose the following:

  1. The first section beyond the lead should open with who(pl) proposed the idea based on what evidence.
  2. Exact quotes from those authors, and I mean exact, since this is pertinent to 'myth' the story is the story.
  3. This should be laid out author-version of all prominent authors.
  4. The next step is challenging, should each authors opinion should be pointed out independently, or should all the faults, and subsequent correction of science be presented in a section.
  5. In that section link to the relevant pages (And hopefully those pages will improve as recipients of those points)
  6. A Lead, composed of the authors, a synopsis of thier beliefs followed by the critique.

I agree with Roy, I hate articles on wikipedia that have been merged that really make a missense out of the original meaning or are not properly explained.PB666 yap 23:54, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Other than that the page is getting about 30 hits per day which is not bad for a fairly new page.

This Eurasian Adam was also referred to as "Out of Africa Adam" by Oppenheimer in The Real Eve. I think "out of Africa Adam" is in fact more accurate than Eurasian Adam as it is the common ancestor of all male lineages outside Africa. The term is used several times in the book and for people with an Amazon account snippets can be obtained online with the amazon reader. Wapondaponda (talk) 07:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I hope the wikipedia Admins have a good sense of humour, of late our Afds have become downright novels, lol. To adress MWs issue, we decide which term was more frequently used by experts, consider what is popularly used and then name the page, and give reference in the first sentence of the lead to other names. I looked at media hits on "Eurasia[n] Adam" there were none. Author specific hits on "Out of Africa Adam".

The term appears to be only used by Oppenheimer

Eurasian Adam:

And Many others.PB666 yap 14:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the AfD can be closed as these publications by professionals no matter the errata, is notable. The page needs to be kept and markedly reorganized.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdeitiker (talkcontribs)
Just a few comments on the above books. The Journey of Man was published in 2002 during the height of the controversy concerning the origins of haplogroup DE. If Wells were to write a book today, he probably would avoid using the term Eurasian Adam. The footnote by Wells illustrate that a lot of what is known now wasn't back then, as he decides to ignore any further discussion of the Yap insertion(haplogroup DE). As haplogroup DE was thought to be Eurasian back then, it explains the motivation for the term "Eurasian Adam".
Linda Stone and Cavalli Sforza use Australasian/Eurasian Adam
Darwinian detectives mentions Eurasian Adam alongside M168, only casually
Does DNA Evidence Prove That Humanity Branched from Mt. Ararat? Believes that Bible is literally true and that Y-Chromosomal Adam was actually the "Adam". It reminds me of "Intelligent Design".
Only Oppenheimer uses the term "Out of Africa Adam", but as one can see, the more accurate term is less glamorous than the misleading but blog friendly "Eurasian Adam"Wapondaponda (talk) 20:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
In popular culture Many articles have "in popular culture" or "in popular science" sections such as Mitochondrial_Eve#In_popular_science or Haplogroup_K_(mtDNA)#Popular_Culture and Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)#Popular_Culture. This is a possible option as opposed to a fully fledged article. More guidelines at Wikipedia:"In popular culture" articles. The advantage of a popular culture section is that we can deal with all the various names including "Eurasian Adam" "Out of Africa Adam" and Australasian/Eurasian Adam all in one place. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mitochondrial Eve in popular cultureWapondaponda (talk) 13:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 14:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Shai Bernstein[edit]

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I contested speedy because I can't say that it's a blatant hoax. However, I was unable to find any sources regarding this person on Gnews, Gbooks, or Gscholar. Tim Song (talk) 18:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Addendum: and most related Ghits I found are WP mirrors. I say "most" because I didn't check all of the Ghits. Tim Song (talk) 01:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
..Not too surprising, considering the fact that it is a complete hoax. Aviados (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The name is not a russian-jewish (or russian or ukrainian at all) name but more of a modern Israeli name (some people were called Shay - but not russians). He was supposedly killed in a terror attack while touring to the Golan Heights in 1949 - that is, when it was under Syria control, just 2 months after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Were there buses going from Israel to the Golan at that time? A reference is quoting Yedioth Ahronoth is dated to 1935 while the paper started out only in 1939. The reference about his death is quoting Jerusalem Post on September 5th, while the date of his death according to the article is November 20th, unless the Jerusalem Post started dating by OS in 1949. Also - conflicting messages about immigrating to Israel - was it an Aliyah or an exile? How did the NKVD operated in British Mandate era Palestine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.103.177 (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Speedy delete: WP:SNOW. An apparent hoax. Aviados (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

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School Zone: Awards & Accolades Archives ... Keila E. Fong, Sarah C. Hartzell, Michael H. Miller, Blake A. Niccum, Donald W. Ross, .... Lindsey E. Smith, Shawn P. Reddy and Shai Bernstein. ... blogs.chron.com/schoolzone/awards_accolades/ - Cached - Similar

Looks like it was kids having fun who wrote this article. S. M. Sullivan (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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Shouldn't this go on the page listing the longest wikipedia hoaxes? It was up for several years. 209.184.165.20 (talk) 01:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. A full two years, to be precise.
Indeed
I am sorry but I felt that Indeed was the only relevant thing in your paragraph. The rest was very personal information that should only be shared with people that person trusts. Information such as where he goes to school and a link to his Facebook page are not relevant to the deletion of this hoax.
Autoput 1 (Serbia)

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The result was speedy redirect to E70 in Serbia. Per WP:SK #1 and suggestion of S Marshall. I'm invoking WP:IAR to the extent necessary to effect this close. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 16:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Autoput 1 (Serbia)[edit]

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Procedural nomination: I removed a ((db)) tag as it was not in WP:CSD. A WP:CSD G4 nomination was previously declined by User:DGG, apparently because he was not able to find the previous AfD discussion. As I know zero about the topic, PROD seemed inappropriate. CSD tagger's concern was: there is no A-numeration of highways in Serbia. E-numeration is used instead. As this is a procedural nomination, I am neutral. Tim Song (talk) 18:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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The result was redirect to Zoids. Cirt (talk) 04:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Zoids 2 - Prerelease[edit]

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This is a trivial list of toys that does not assert notability. TTN (talk) 18:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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The result was speedy close. It is obvious that no consensus will result from this mass nomination, please relist seperately any subjects which need to be reconsidered for deletion. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

John Carpenter (game show contestant)[edit]

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Delete all - I question whether winning a million dollars on a game show confers notability, even if that win translates into one or two appearances on other game shows later. Otto4711 19:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I was unaware of the previous AFD but in reviewing it, it appears that most of the keeps were based on the form of the nomination, not the substance. However, I disagree that a mass nomination of people notable for the same thing (winning a million dollars on the same game show) is automatically invalid. And "keep"s based on the existence of the previous AFD need to take into account that consensus can change. Otto4711 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
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37th century (Hebrew)

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The result was delete. JForget 00:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Note: If editors went the rest of the centuries deleted, it would have to be nominated and using this AFD as a reference. --JForget 00:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

37th century (Hebrew) (and other Hebrew century articles)[edit]

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No discernible encyclopaedic content. Speedy declined. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I understand what you mean. The way I look at it, any article that includes an alternative dating system also has to have the Christian/Common Era system that everyone uses in order to be understood. I suppose that this article could be called "2nd Century BCE in Jewish history" and look at the range from 200BC-101BC, but I don't think it would add or take away from its usefulness in talking about a period of 100 years. On the other hand, I think it would be unencyclopedic to have an article called "5750 (Hebrew) in Israel". Narrow focus articles, like "1980 in Swedish football" are a way of retelling history from a particular perspective, generally started one editor dedicated to doing the research and then trying to present it in an interesting way for the readers. Given that a person clicks on one of these because they want to know more about the subject, I think that using a traditional dating system adds to the experience. I like the concept of presenting Jewish history in the format of a Jewish calendar. Mandsford (talk) 20:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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Southern Star Airways

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The result was delete. Hoax. PeterSymonds (talk) 20:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Southern Star Airways[edit]

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Hoax - this isn't a real airline according to Google. I can not find any RS that supports this airline. Admrboltz (talk) 17:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 14:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Fatjon Muhameti[edit]

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Plays for a second division Albanian team and has apparently made one league appearance in his career. Spiderone 17:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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The result was keep. Thank to recent improvements in the article JForget 22:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Doug Cox[edit]

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Subject fails WP:MUSIC criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. Fair Deal (talk) 17:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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The result was keep. Tone 10:38, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Elope (album)[edit]

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This article has been open for an extremely long time but fails to meet notability. "Us against the world" was released as a single under myspace records. Since then Milian has moved labels and even changed the name of the album from Dream in Color to Elope. This page should have never been created because under WP:Notability (music) it would fail. As a general rule album's need a cover art, track listing and confirmed release date. This album has none of these and the details are ambiguous. One source says she was dropped from her old record label whilst another said they parted ways on mutual agreement. Wikipedia content is supposed to be facual and encyclopedic and so in its current state this page deserves to be removed until a new release date is confirmed and a new single too. This is becoming too much of a WP:Crystal. Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

  • comment, for albums to have their own page they should have a track listing, cover-art, confirmed released date and charted singles. Of these criteria this album has just one of those. Much of the information is confusing and based on secondary sources. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC))
  • Where are you getting this information from? WP:Notability (music) says that, in general, "an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label." Now, of these, we only know the title, but we also know that the album will be released late this year, or early next year. It is also stated that "in a few special cases, an unreleased album may qualify for an advance article if there is sufficient verifiable and properly referenced information about it", which I believe applies here. There is definitely enough verifiable information in the page to support it. Also, you claim that there is confusing information, but what is confusing? You said before that, "One source says she was dropped from her old record label whilst another said they parted ways on mutual agreement", but that hardly makes an argument. Of course there are differences. How is it my fault that different sources reported different things? I already fixed this a while ago to make sure everything was consistent in this article. Finally, if you have a look at Wikipedia:No original research, you'll see that we are supposed to use secondary sources. Corn.u.co.piaDisc.us.sion 06:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus on deletion but merged with 2009 Taconic State Parkway crash. Let's wait and see folks before nominating for a second time. Nothing to see here, folks, please move along. Bearian (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Diane Schuler[edit]

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Tragic event, but there are thousands of similarly tragic traffic accidents every year, and this is not a particularly notable incident. Denied speedy deletion previously, so PROD was not an option. Risker (talk) 16:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Note to closing administrator: Please see this Administrator Noticeboard thread prior to closing. Thanks. Risker (talk) 08:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Discussion:

Comment I can see the long-term notability for this particular accident, based on the coverage by sources outside of New York (USA Today, ABC news, NPR, etc.) and since it will be cited as an example of the tragedy that can be caused by drinking and driving. But I can't say "keep" for this ghoulish, over-the-top, minute-by-minute, retrace-the-route account of the tragedy that appears to have been lifted from the Journal-News website. Mandsford (talk) 19:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Your comment is ambiguous. Are you advocating Keep or Delete? Suggesting that ghoulish facts and details in an article be re-written is far different than suggesting that said article be entirely deleted. Which is your position? By your own admission, this crash is notable. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 6 September 2009)
It's not a vote. Yes, I "admit" that this crash is notable, but my position is that I will not !vote to keep an article that I really do not like. Perhaps others will urge that it be kept. Mandsford (talk) 22:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
No one said that this is a vote. This is understood to be a discussion. Your above reply is as ambiguous as the first. Are you advocating that the article be kept or deleted? It's a simple and straight-forward question. Why not simply answer it? Why be so coy about it? This is what I got from your response, however. (And what any reasonable reader would also get.) You agree that the crash is notable and thus merits a Wikipedia article. Yet, at the same time, you do not support keeping notable articles on Wikipedia just because you "don't really like them". Wow. Are Wikipedia readers really supposed to take that position of yours with any seriousness? Does such a statement lend itself to any credibility whatsoever? Is that your belief? That boils down to "I want Wikipedia to only contain articles that I really like, notability issues aside." I would offer to you that the standard in discussing whether articles be kept or deleted centers around notability, not whether individual editors "really like" the article. And -- as I stated earlier -- a more reasoned response in a deletion discussion would be "This article, while written poorly, covers a notable topic. Thus, it should be cleaned up, but not removed." Your argument of keeping only the articles that you "really like" is a standard with which I am unfamiliar. It's rather silly, to be honest. (As a side note, I can see why "they" demanded an Electoral College be written into the US Constitution.) Unreal. Thanks for your, um, response. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 6 September 2009)
Noted. Mandsford (talk) 01:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
You claim that this is "just another DUI case". Which other cases, specifically, have raised national (if not, international) awareness of this cause to the extent that this has? Which other cases, specifically, have prompted legislation to stiffen DUI laws when children are passengers? Which other cases, specifically, have received the level of attention that this one has? Please let me know. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 6 September 2009)
What attention? It's all gone, there's a trickle of local news concerning her husband, nothing worth of note. As for the legislation, it appears that the bill was already in progress before the accident more stale news. NVO (talk) 20:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
(1) You have not answered any of my questions, I see, when I asked you to offer up "similar cases". (2) As to the points you did raise (regarding attention): Hmmmmm ... Let's see what a quick Google search shows us. Not that it's infallible or scientific ... but it is a fairly good barometer. If I use either "Diane Schuler" or "Taconic crash" ... or some such variation ... as the search terms, these are the results.
* When I limit the results to the past day (24 hours), I get 2,130 hits.
* When I limit the results to the past week, I get 66,800 hits.
* When I limit the results to the past month, I get 302,000 hits.
* When I limit the results to Google's "recent results", I get 732,000 hits.
These include local, state, and national coverage. Reliable sources appearing include: MSNBC, The Huffington Post, Newsday Magazine, ABC News, The Associated Press, The New York Daily News, The Miami Herald, The New York Post, Fox News, CBS News, and The Seattle Times, to name a few. Clearly, this refutes your claim that there is no attention to this incident. This refutes your claim that all of the attention to this incident is gone. This refutes your claim that there is only a trickle of coverage about this incident. This refutes your claim that there is only local news coverage of this incident. This refutes your claim that there is nothing worthy of note. Furthermore, you concede that there is indeed coverage on the husband, thus indicating persistent and consistent coverage (i.e., notability of the incident). (3) You also claim "it appears that the bill was already in progress before the accident". To the contrary, the article that I cited above states: "In the wake of the horrific Taconic crash, Gov. Paterson on Thursday will unveil legislation to toughen the laws for drunken driving with kids in the car." It also states: "Paterson will unveil his legislation less than three weeks after the Taconic crash." This New York Daily News article was dated August 13, 2009. This clearly contradicts your claim that the bill was in progress before the crash. In fact, the article explicitly states that Paterson is unveiling this in light of the crash. And three weeks after the crash. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 6 September 2009)
It's a sad fact, but local politicians do jump at accidents to pursue their agendas. I am in no position to judge governor's real intents, but it is clear that he could use any of recent DUI accidents familiar to his constituency. NVO (talk) 09:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
This comment does not make sense. How could the Governor use just any old garden-variety DUI accident to pursue an agenda of legislation that targets specifically children passengers as victims? He would be saying, for example, "In this John Smith DUI case, there were no children passengers at all as victims. And I would like to use this John Smith DUI case to pursue legislation that stiffens the penalties for DUI cases where children passengers are the victims." Makes no sense whatsoever. Also, the intent of the legislator is irrelevant. The relevant point is that this crash prompted legislation, independent of the legislator's underlying motives / intent / agenda. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 7 September 2009)
Amen to that! (Joseph A. Spadaro, 6 September 2009)
  • It's 7 weeks after the crash, so WP:NTEMP doesn't really apply. If it is still notable 7 months or 7 years afterward, then it applies. I think it is worthy of mention in the article about the parkway, where indeed there is a nice, succinct paragraph about it; it's probably the most notable traffic accident on that roadway. We have a couple of these a year on Highway 401, often worse than this, and I wouldn't call them lastingly noteworthy. If legislation results from this, then the legislation would be noteworthy and a paragraph about this particular incident as a catalyst for the legislation would be appropriate in that article too, should it come to pass. This incident is also appropriately listed in List of road accidents 2000-2009, and that is where the level of notability should be noticed; while I do not dismiss the tragedy of the deaths and injuries in this case, it is illogical to say this is "very noteworthy" when compared to collisions resulting in much higher death and injury. As noted in the nomination, these sorts of incidents are commonplace, and very, very few are noteworthy enough for their own article. A nasty accident during a slow news cycle just means that lots of stories get generated; it doesn't mean it has any true significance. Risker (talk) 00:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
You are wholly missing the point. This case is notable not because it was a DWI, not because it was a head-on crash, not because it was a wrong-way driver, and not because so many people perished. Yes ... such events are quite commonplace in the USA. This incident is notable due to the bizarre and strange circumstances all of which aligned to produce this crash. You state that: "We have a couple of these a year on Highway 401, often worse than this". (A) I find that terribly difficult to believe. You have had several cases on Highway 401 that are similar to the Schuler case? That is flat out incorrect. If so, please provide the details that make it similar to the Schuler case. If indeed your Highway 401 cases were similar (i.e., a mother with no drinking history drives drunk on the wrong side of the highway and kills her own 5 children / family members), I am quite certain that we would have heard about it. (B) When you make such a claim, this simply proves my point. You are considering these cases similar because they are DWI's and/or because of the high fatality count. And ... as I stated before ... that comparison is wholly missing the point. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 7 September 2009)
  • I'm not sure why some people seem to be thinking of this incident as "some cars crashed and some people died," and then comparing it to all incidents where some cars crashed and some people died, and saying that since most of those incidents don't get a lot of public attention, this one isn't notable. Are you aware that this incident did get lots of public attention? Even if the incident were precisely comparable to other incidents that were mostly ignored, if one such incident is the subject of a huge amount of news reporting, it becomes notable. (In this particular case, the attention came because it involved an apparently responsible and loving mother who killed her daughter and nieces while driving, for no apparent reason, in the wrong direction on a major highway for nearly two miles without stopping, and it turned out she was filled to the brim with alcohol and narcotics even though everyone who knew her said she rarely drank and never did drugs and appeared sober the last time anybody saw her alive. But none of that is why we can determine it to be a notable incident; it's what led to the press coverage that allows us to establish notability.) I'm pretty sure there's nothing in WP:N that requires incidents to result in passed legislation, or to kill more people than have ever been killed before, in order to be notable. It's about the attention received from the media, which reflects the interest of the public. Propaniac (talk) 00:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
... except that it's a notable incident. Let's keep the topic at whether or not this is notable. Whether the incident is sad or tragic is not relevant to notability. Whether the content is well written or poorly written is not relvant to notability. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 7 September 2009)
Your reply is confusing ... or, at least, I don't understand what you're saying. Why would you contest speedy deletion proposals every time for this article ... yet, advocate neutrality for this specific AfD deletion proposal? Please clarify. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 8 September 2009)
The shorter version looks tidy, but it completely removed the stuff that (here I have to side with Joseph A. Spadaro) made it look notable for inclusion. Take out the ticking timebomb and the gory flashbacks and its just another crash that happened a month ago. Perhaps, in case of keep vote, the original detail should stay. NVO (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
That's fair enough; this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, after all. However, I'm surprised to see removal of links to national sources, like TIME, USA Today, CBS News, etc. Ultimately, any Wikipedia article is a mix of two things: (1) basic narrative and (2) links that people can click upon if they want further information. To the extent that details (such as the timeline) can be found in links, it's an editorial choice as to whether the narrative is made better or worse by the inclusion of a particular piece of information. I think there is a difference of opinion, even among those who say keep, as to whether the original level of detail is necessary. Mandsford (talk) 20:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I admit that I didn't notice the national sources you referred to in the External Links section; I have no objection to those being re-added. As I said earlier, I think the optimal version of this article would be somewhere between the suggested shorter one, and the current one. Propaniac (talk) 23:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
How do you define "local" and "transient"? If you define "local" as "appearing in reliable sources all across the country" ... and you define "transient" as "notable in-depth reliable source coverage that is continuing and persistent" ... then I will agree with you. Otherwise, if you are using the plain-language meaning of these terms, your claim is silly, not credible, and/or wholly misinformed. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 11 September 2009)
Nobody has brought up WP:CIVIL yet, and I think it's because we recognize that you're new to the AfD Forum. The response above, however, goes too far. You really need to stop this tendency to make a hostile response to anyone who happens to disagree with you. Saying "Thanks" at the end does not make a difference. I've was blocked once for uncivil comments, and I can assure you that it is no fun. You have the makings of a good writer and I envision that you will make many good contributions to Wikipedia, but we all need to do our part to keep discussions under control. Mandsford (talk) 13:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
On the contrary, my postings are all quite civil. If people are going to post preposterous claims, then –- yes -– I will certainly call them on that. It has nothing to do with whether or not they agree or disagree with my point of view. I am not under any delusion that I am the King of Wikipedia and everyone must agree with my opinion. In my opinion, it is simply preposterous to make the statement that this crash received only local coverage. In my opinion, it is simply preposterous to make the statement that coverage of this crash was transient. Under the normal meanings of those terms, such claims are simply ridiculous -- and factually false. And, if someone dares to assert such preposterous claims, then -– yes –- I will certainly call them out to defend said claims. Questioning statements that are factually untrue in no way equates to incivility. Requesting that such statements be backed up / defended / explained -- when they fly in the face of the facts -- does not equate to incivility. My above post can be restated to read: (1) How are you using the term "local" to describe this incident, when its coverage has in fact appeared in reliable sources all across the country? You see, I myself would use the word "national" -– not "local" -- to describe that type of coverage. And I believe that many (most) others would also. My above post can also be restated to read: (2) How are you using the term "transient" to describe coverage of this incident, when it has in fact received notable in-depth reliable source coverage that is continuing and persistent (all these months after the incident)? You see, I myself would use the word "continuous" -– not "transient" -– to describe that type of coverage. And I believe that many (most) others would also. So, please tell me exactly what is uncivil about asking such relevant and reasonable questions? No – I don’t don any kid gloves to call a spade a spade. Such statements are absurd, and I will call the editor out on it. If he (or you) is offended, so be it. My statements and my points are valid and reasonable and deserve an answer or, at least, deserve consideration. There is nothing uncivil about my choice to not wear kid gloves, so as to not offend an editor who makes such absolutely false statements. This crash has received local and transient coverage! Yeah, right. Not on this planet, as I have witnessed it. But, that's just my perception. To which I am entitled. And I invite the claimant of the statement to back up said statement. Too bad if people are "offended" when they are asked to back up / defend preposterous (and flat-out false) statements. That's their problem, not mine. My questions are valid and civil. If you purposely read incivility into it, that's your issue – not mine. I stand by my comments, as I have every right to do so. From my perspective ... calling the coverage of this crash either "local" or "transient" –- let alone both –- is indeed silly, not credible, and/or wholly misinformed. And I challenge the claimant to back up his statements. I would also proffer that many people would share my perception ... and/or that it would be entirely reasonable to do so. I don't live under a rock. As I said in my Post Number 1 (above), this entire deletion debate really falls under the WP:Snowball clause. Some editors, however, like a lot of "process" and like to hear themselves talk. And, so, we are endlessly forced to defend why a valid article like this is notable and belongs in Wikipedia. So, to re-iterate ... from all that I have seen ... how can this coverage be described as "local" or as "transient"? I await a reply. I may be misinformed. And I believe that that would only be the case if I do not understand the plain-language meanings of the terms "local" and "transient". And I am open to such possibility. If anyone cares to offer the definition of those terms ("local" and "transient") and how specifically they are applicable here, I am more than interested to hear. Furthermore ... if anyone is being uncivil ... it is you towards me! First: you purposefully inject your own emotions / interpretations (i.e., that are offensive to you) into my comments. And then you have the nerve to call my comments "offensive"! Unreal. When it was you, yourself, who injected the offending emotion in the first place. Second: you deny (or attempt to do so) me of my right to ask valid questions and challenge others' claims and statements. Which, by the way, is the very definition of a discussion / debate. Which, by the way, is what this page is. Third: You indicate that I have no right to conclude my comments with a "thank you" ... or that doing so violates incivility rules. Simply because you yourself are injecting a sarcastic tone into the term "thank you" (that is not there to begin with). I challenge you to review all of my posts. I end 99.999999% of my posts with a "thank you". Which, by the way, is the very definition of civility ... not incivility. Unreal. Sometimes, it feels like the inmates are running the asylum. I love how people can argue that white is black or up is down, with a straight face. And then they get "offended" when they are called on it. Simply unreal. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 10 September 2009)
In addition ... three post-script comments in brief. (1) You describe my post as "hostile". My post is merely black-and-white words typed on a page / computer screen. There is no emotion. And there is no hostility. If there are any emotions or hostility anywhere in the neutral black-and-white posting, said emotions and hostility are there only by you injecting them in there. That is, you are interpreting neutral statements made by me as being hostile. I cannot control how you choose to interpret the black-and-white facially neutral words that I type. And, I would proffer: you cannot / should not inject the hostility into the neutral statements and then turn around and complain that they are hostile. They are only hostile because you think so. And because you have opted to add that emotion into my otherwise emotion-less and facially neutral comments. (2) You invoke that we all need to do our part to keep discussions under control. I agree. And I am doing my part. I am keeping this discussion under control by questioning and challenging statements made by editors. Especially false statements. This crash isn't "local" simply because some editor decides to type the five letters l, o, c, a, and l in describing the crash. And if he does indeed do that, then I will request that he defend or back up that claim ... which flies in the face of all the facts. So, I do indeed see that my questioning helps as my part to keep this discussion under control. (3) Here is another blatant falsity with which I disagree from the prior editor. The editor claims "this incident is of a local and transient nature (except to those directly affected by it)". At last check ... the Governor of New York instigated legislation because of this crash. All citizens of the state of New York would be subject to said legislation. The legislation would be / is debated by all senators and representatives in New York ... who represent all citizens of New York. So, how -- pray tell -- does an incident that extends its reach in such a broad and sweeping manner get described as not notable "except to those directly affected by it"? Is it me who has gone mad? There are 20 million people living in New York. All of them are affected by these laws. Not to mention the millions of others who don’t live in – but who visit – New York. How can anyone make the claim that this incident is only notable to the 8 people directly affected (and their family / friends)? You see, I myself cannot agree with that statement. But, that’s just me. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 11 September 2009).
Those of us who are registered users are at somewhat of a disadvantage to a person who uses only an IP address (64.252.26.82). I think that most users would consider comments such as "silly", "makes no sense", "misinformed", "preposterous", etc., to be uncivil. Whether you choose to become a "Wikipedian" or not, Wikipedia is a community and we look out for each other. Mandsford (talk) 21:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, well if you insist that I don my kid gloves ... two can play at that game. First: let me re-phrase. It is my opinion that offering as true statements that are absolutely factually false is silly, makes no sense (to me), is misinformed, and is preposterous. That is my opinion, period. Just because you do not like my opinion does not mean that I am engaging in incivility. Second: Since we are donning our kid gloves now ... I shall accuse you of incivility toward me. (A) For accusing me, unjustly, of being uncivil, simply for stating my opinion. (B) For accusing me of incivility simply because you do not agree with my opinions. (C) For categorizing as uncivil my reasonable requests that factually false statement be defended, clarified, or explained. (D) For labeling as uncivil my attempts to engage in meaningful dialogue, discourse, discussion, and debate. All of these, by definition, include questioning the claims / statements of others ... and demanding / requesting explanations, clarifications, and the backing up of claims ... and offering counter-claims. That is the very essence (nay, purpose) of discussion and debate. Discussion and debate does not mean: people make factually false claims ... and so as to not hurt their feelings, we simply let such claims go untested and unquestioned. Third: I notice that you completely ignored (i.e., did not address) any of the valid claims that I have made in the (immediately preceding) above two posts. Rather, you choose to focus on calling me uncivil when -- as I see it -- I am engaging in discussion and debate about an article ... the very reason for which this page was set up (i.e., exactly to debate and discuss it) ... !!! I will assume that you have no valid counterpoint(s) to the points that I have made ... otherwise, I am sure you would have raised them. Instead, you are resorting to a "red herring" by (falsely) calling my actions uncivil. Ad hominem attacks that avoid substantive claims. Fourth: It should be well-noted that all comments in Wikipedia debates / discussions are -- either explicitly or implicitly -- preceded by the phrase "it is my opinion that ... xyz". (Actually, such is the case for all debates, not just Wikipedia debates.) Thus, I do not think that stating one's opinion is uncivil. (You do, it seems.) And, it is my contention that that is the very purpose of an AfD debate ... to offer one's opinions, arguments, and counter-arguments. That is the entire point of AfD debates and discussions. If someone is offended and deems it uncivil and hostile that their opinions, posts, and statements will be subjected to being questioned and to being countered ... then perhaps engaging in debate is not quite an appropriate activity for one so offended. In other words ... you are effectively saying: "I want to engage and participate in a discussion about this topic but only on my terms. And my terms include that you cannot disagree with me. And if you do so, I will consider that to be hostile and uncivil. For clearly, I am right. And it offends me that anyone would question or counter me. Even in a debate." That is the net effect of your posts, as I read them. (Which, I opine, is ridiculous.) Yours is a sentiment with which I disagree ... and, moreover, with which I am fully entitled to disagree. Without being accused of rule-breaking and/or incivility, that is. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 12 September 2009)
I agree that this article should not be named Diane Schuler, as this is an article about the crash and not a biography of Schuler. However, the current title needs to be tweaked, please. First, we should use the "real" name of the Parkway ... which, I believe, is Taconic State Parkway (adding in the word "State"). Second, we should include some designation (such as the year 2009, for example) since there has not been only one crash on the Taconic State Parkway. Third, the word "crash" should be lower-case, not capitalized, in the title. Therefore, I suggest 2009 Taconic State Parkway crash. Any thoughts? Thank you. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 11 September 2009)
I agree with your suggestion and have revised my recommendation accordingly. Location (talk) 17:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Reported to the Administrators Noticeboard. I understand that yes, it is the same user, and have requested that one or more administrators review the situation to determine what should be done here. Risker (talk) 04:51, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
No, not the same person. One: I am certain that there are more than one Joseph A. Spadaro's floating around in the world. Two: I would be using the same exact name to avoid a block and to avoid suspicion of avoiding a block? When I can sign in anonymously under, say, "I Love Peanut Butter" or "Go Yankees" or any other of a zillion names that would cloak one in anonymity? Come on, man. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 13 September 2009)
And, Risker ... why are you concluding "yes"? When the person who responded to your concerns over at that ANI Board specifically replied with, "I didn't have time to research the IPs further" ...? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 13 September 2009)
On the the Administrators Noticeboard it is claimed that the IP addresses were the same. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC).
To - Xxanthippe ... my question was addressed to Risker. Or, are you the same person as Risker? If not, I am not sure how you would know his reasons. Please let me know. And ... back to the issue: If, in fact, they (IP addresses) are the same ... what "further research" would be necessary? If, in fact, they (IP addresses) are the same ... and no further research is needed, why would someone state: "I didn't have time to research the IPs further." ...? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 13 September 2009)
In answer to your question, the person verifying that you are the same editor (USer:J.delanoy) is a checkuser, who has access to additional information about certain characteristics of your IP, your ISP, and your useragent. For privacy and security reasons, the precise details linking accounts are not usually released publicly. Another administrator (the one you refer to in your post above) blocked the first two IPs you used here and, I assume, did not seek to identify any other IP you have been using. You are an indefinitely blocked editor. As I am involved in this discussion, I will not block the IP you are currently using; however, any uninvolved administrator can do so, as you are admitting that you are the same person editing logged out on a narrow IP range. It's quite possible that another administrator may block the entire IP range too. Risker (talk) 04:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I am admitting what exactly? Please point out exactly where "I am admitting that I am the same person editing logged out on a narrow IP range." I barely even know what all that computer mumbo-jumbo and technical gibberish means, let alone would admit to something I barely comprehend. I'd like to know exactly where I admitted to such words that I don't even know, utilize, or comprehend. Second ... I am quite curious as to your agenda here. This (following) is my opinion. You wanted to delete this article. I strongly opposed that. You see that the consensus is not leading toward "delete", after about 7 days, as you would have liked. So, you stir up this other business. Third: I also find this quite curious. After 7 days of debate -- and after you post that other accusation against me -- geez, all of a sudden quite a few people (3) pipe in with a "delete" vote. They were not concerned all week about this AfD, and now they all offer a barely one-sentence delete vote, each parroting the other. Now that is interesting. Agreed? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro, 14 September 2009)
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The result was delete. JForget 00:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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Delete Disputed prod. No reliable sources of upcoming release. WP:CRYSTAL Wolfer68 (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 14:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Get Into The Market Oscillator (GITMO)[edit]

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fails WP:N. A theory posted at the blog of the creator is not notable without reliable, third-party sources discussing the subject in detail. Since there are no such sources, it should be deleted. Ironholds (talk) 15:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


This contribution cites the original publication of the GITMO oscillators at Seeking Alpha. The contribution is not about theory, but rather an applied real-world stock market ("equity market") technical indicator whose background is introduced, methods of calculation and parameter description are provided, along with observed computational results from applying the indicators to empirical data for the Standard & Poors price return index. Several citations are provided, with external links.

There really is no problem with the contribution in terms of the accuracy of the background information, soundness of mathematical approach, results provided (4 images), and accompanying interpretation. Significant effort was devoted to development of the empirical results provided in the contribution, which probably does not warrant deletion. If anything, wait a while to see what the growth in hits is.

You need to show how the subject matter passes WP:N, as my nomination makes clear. "how many hits the article gets" is not a claim to notability. Ironholds (talk) 18:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for guidance on notability. Regarding the original source, articles considered by Editors at Seeking Alpha are first submitted as an Instablog, hence the "blog" entry you referred to. Within several days, the original source will likely no longer be a blog, but rather an article focusing on economic issues.

Again, very interesting, but not something that passes our inclusion guidelines. If you want the article to be kept, you need to demonstrate that it passes. Ironholds (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 00:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The Usborne Book of Dinosaurs[edit]

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Article shows no evidence of notability, and I am not finding any off Wikipedia. Contested Prod without reason given. Rlendog (talk) 14:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep, with no prejudice to a Merge if consensus is formed. Black Kite 11:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Aigo MID[edit]

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Article reads like advertisement. LouriePieterse 14:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


Change to Merge per Cunard's new links the subject seems to have attracted attention in the Chinese media. (Nice job finding those links btw.)--RDBury (talk) 07:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
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Merge as put forth above, while poorly written still part of a notable item if properly folded. Martin Raybourne (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks for finding more sources. I agree that this article should be kept. Cunard (talk) 08:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
  • The Chinese hits on the first few pages are definitely PR, though. But the new sources DGG found may be sufficient to justify an article - not quite sure about their reliability. Tim Song (talk) 08:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 14:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Maxlab Entertainments[edit]

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fails WP:CORP. spam like article. hardly any third party coverage [42]. LibStar (talk) 14:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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Check[edit]

Now please check if there is any problems in the article. Saj2009 (talk) 19:24, 14 Sep 2009

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The result was keep. JForget 00:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Efrem Hill[edit]

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Does not meet WP:Notability; sources that actually discuss him (rather than simply mention him) are limited to local college newspaper stories

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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

The Jetty Journals[edit]

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This is a non-notable, self-published e-book with no assertion of notability. AniMatedraw 14:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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The result was Delete. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Radio Jackie North[edit]

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non-notable pirate station from long ago Rapido (talk) 14:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

"from long ago" ? Perhaps you can explain the policy of WP:LIKE_REALLY_TOO_LONG_AGO_DUDE for our benefit? Andy Dingley (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Please provide a valid argument for why this is notable according to policy, simply declaring it notable because you believe it to be isn't enough. Bare in mind the criteria for notability has nothing to do with any of the points you made above. It needs to have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." --neon white talk 21:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The article cites six separate websites that all describe pretty much the same historical version of the station's career. Some include audio recordings of the stations themselves. Now these either demonstrate the existence of the pirate stations, as described, or else they are falsehoods. Simultaneous synchronised falsehoods which we have no reason to suppose. There is also the widely circulated pirate radio fanzine of the period, Soundwaves. I'd upload copies to illustrate the article, except for Wikipedia's strong copyright policies. If such a station existed, then it is notable according to the current consensus for the encyclopedic nature of UK pirate stations (and if it's not, please comment so to an AfD such as this). Now for low-budget illegal events of 25 years ago, that's not bad going. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
So tell me again, is the AfD for lack of notability, or for reliable sources? There seems to be some flip-flopping here as to which it is. These sources, if we believe them, establish notability perfectly well. Now admittedly there's a problem - they're not the highest of quality, admittedly. If anyone has anything better, then we should of course use it. However the content they contain, if believed, covers our notability requirement.
Now WP:RS is a separate problem. Tag them as "references needed" by all means! However when six separate low-quality but independent resources express general agreement over a history, then why should we have cause to doubt it? They aren't flat-earth theories. Non-exceptional claims don't require exceptional sources.
Thirdly, why are we assuming that these sources are "low quality" anyway? Wikipedia consensus has no problem with peer-group fandom of established communities in a vast many pages over in the anime or horror worlds. Yes, they're ugly HTML, yes, they're hosted on unfashionable host sites. Neither of those though should strongly influence the credit we place on them - that would just be elitist geek-chauvinism, not an objective judgement on their content. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually, the two issues are linked: WP:N states that "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable." So, turning it around, if there are insufficient reliable third-party references, the article falls to be defined as not notable. Voilà. Ohconfucius (talk) 14:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.79.98.215 (talk)
If we can resolve the concerns over the quality of the cited sources, then the stations are notable. There is not, as far as I can see, any issue of whether the stations are non-notable _despite_ the sources (i.e. they were too minor a station) ? Andy Dingley (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Fritzpoll (talk) 20:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005)[edit]

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Does not indicate notability, trivia, no reliable, published, third party sources. Re: prod removal/talk, see also wp:OSE - notable, sourced guest info can go into the show's article. -- Jeandré, 2009-05-25t05:03z 05:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

We are not saying keep this article because there are others like it. We are saying keep this article because there are many, many like it which are much more high profile and much more visited and are generally accepted. This is not the same as saying keep this vandalism because there is other vandalism. In that case, we can all agree that vandalism is bad and few will ever argue with you for taking it down. But in this case, just go and try to delete the obsessively detailed, completely unsourced List of The Colbert Report episodes (2005), and see what happens. The backlash you would receive is there because these types of pages are accepted by the community, whether they adhere to its strict rules or not.
-The Talking Sock talk contribs 01:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
[45] -- The Talking Sock talk 02:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The same goes for any list of The Daily Show guests, but those pages exist and are accepted by the community. -The Talking Sock talk contribs 04:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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Keep the guests pretty much define each episode, this is essentially equivalent to an episode list.--RadioFan (talk) 03:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 00:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

D. Miles[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking GHits of substance and lacking GNEWS. Minor roles in IMDB. Appears to fail WP:BIO. ttonyb1 (talk) 14:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

What kind of coverage are you referrring to for D. Miles? Can you check under his birth name Dwaune LeMaunze Miles or Dwaune Miles? Shichi Shichi son (talk) 20:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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American Home

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The result was no consensus. NW (Talk) 19:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

American Home[edit]

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This appears to be a non-notable organisation. I can find no sources which give this organisation notability within an encyclopaedic setting. There also appears to be a major conflict of interest with the major contributors to this article. Russavia Dialogue 13:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Being run by an American is not international in scale as the organisation is limited to the city of Vladimir in Russia. The only news source is this which is more to do with the sister city relationship between Vladimir and Bloomington. The only scholar source is written by the organisation itself, and the rest of the scholar results are for the term "American home". If one is going to claim something is notable, they need to provide evidence of the notability. As such, I would ask that you be able to provide at least 5 sources which discuss this organisation in great detail, which aren't promotional in nature and which aren't connected with the organisation itself. --Russavia Dialogue 20:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Additionally, this is not an article for a non-commercial organisation, but rather for a commercial business which would have to fulfill WP:CORP. We need to put this into perspective. This organisation is a small business which has English classes in the city of Vladimir; and these are a dime a dozen in Russia, and in the world at large. We could probably have a million articles just on such businesses, none of which are actually that notable in terms of an encyclopaedia; a directory or yellow pages, sure, but not an encyclopaedia. --Russavia Dialogue 20:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Ronald Pope is a professor of political science at Illinois State University, and his American Home English language program (along with a number of other programs like student exchange and police training programs) is a not-for-profit program, see the relevant section here. --Martintg (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The article is referenced but notability guidelines are not satisfied. The News-Gazette is Champaign-Urbana area, the pantograph is Bloomington area and Transitions Abroad has a narrow audience (English speakers newly moved/working in foreign countries). To quote WP:ORG: "On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability."--RDBury (talk) 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The AP story seems to be about a general phenomenon an not about the organization in particular. It might be used as an example but the focus of the story is Americans living abroad in general. To me, it still doesn't satisfy notability guidelines. Maybe there's fodder here for a more general article, can't think of what you would call it though.--RDBury (talk) 03:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It's enough about the organisation to be a reasonable source. But I'm not persuaded that a local news story and an AP story amount to enough coverage, so I'm not arguing to keep it, just pointing out that more searching did pick up an extra hit. Fences&Windows 23:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Being well written does not mean the subject is notable. Please read WP:HARMLESS.--RDBury (talk) 03:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. google searches are an inadequate way of establishing notability. Specific references would be required to rebut the delete arguments successfully. Spartaz Humbug! 21:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

TestLink[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for thsi software. Joe Chill (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

It is uncommon for open source software to have books written about it, so some other measures are needed. Some suggestions (which might fit some but not all of the software articles currently in WP) are:

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To conclude, I believe TestLink meets at least 2 of the above criteria, placing it on a level footing with many products that have WP articles, such as Bugzilla. Downsize43 (talk) 12:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


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Keep - this is great open source software we use on real projects, it's comparable to Test Director, only it's free and the market share of the tool is growing very fast, in the future more and more companies will switch to TestLink. Does it deserve to be in Wikipedia? For sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaserm (talk • contribs) 15:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Benjamin W. Crowninshield[edit]

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no claim of notability, other than the implied claim that he commissioned the design and construction of a house that has a Wikipedia article. Any notability attaching to the house should go to the designer of the house rather than to the owner. Donald Albury 15:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment Could you point to the sources for that? Better yet, use them to improve the article. -- Donald Albury 16:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. notability is derived from demonstrating sources and this hasnt happened so the delete votes outweigh the keep arguments Spartaz Humbug! 21:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Axis & Allies Miniatures (land version)[edit]

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The only reference is a forum post, and all the links in the article are to sites that sell these things. Not notable enough for inclusion, and borderline advertising Pattont/c 13:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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  • I've been criticized for voting keep here. I didn't realize that the Wikipedia Deletionist pathology has extended to bullying people who vote to keep articles now. Regardless, the criticism misread my comment "comprehensive reference" to mean that I thought the article was well referenced (cited). This is not what I meant by "comprehensive reference." The article itself is a "comprehensive reference" for the topic at hand. It exists, it collates a great deal of disparate information, it is structured properly and it represents significant editing time. If I happened to be someone who was interested in "Axis and Allies Miniatures," surely I would be pleased that this article exists as a COMPREHENSIVE REFERENCE. These are all perfectly valid reasons in of themselves to keep an article. See Jimbo Wales: [50] --AStanhope (talk) 13:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm only a deletionist in that I'm not an inclusionist, and this isn't intended as bullying. 1) Jimbo is subordinate to policy and guideline, and 2) a throwaway comment by Jimbo is definitely subordinate. The base problem with this article is that it fails to pass WP:GNG, and your comments and actions do nothing to address this, instead just helpfully saying how useful the article is. Ironholds (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. JForget 00:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Leung Kam Fai[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:ATHLETE. Shatin article reads second division, which I don't believe is pro. If I'm incorrect there, close the AFD as withdrawn. Lara 13:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Editor Count: 3 Creator: Jspearmint Nominator: Wehwalt

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The result was speedy delete. per G3 - well speedy not really since it has been opened for the full seven-day period, but anyways it's hoax nevertheless JForget 23:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Garden City (album)[edit]

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This and the related article Letchworth Corset Riot seem to be hoax articles. I was clued into this by the discussion at here. This seems to be a sophisticated hoax by Jspearmint, even more so the Garden City article, which is backed up by text inserted at other wiki articles (generally by IPs) and also a user-created last.fm page here, with three musical tracks (one labelled "Morrisons: Fresh Choice for You"), the British supermarket chain had no actual shops in Howard's lifetime. It's a clever hoax but a hoax nonetheless. Note that there is a phony image in the article, which may require action by Commons. Wehwalt (talk) 13:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete. Cirt (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Letchworth Corset Riot[edit]

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This and the related article Garden City (album) seem to be hoax articles. I was clued into this by the discussion at here. This seems to be a sophisticated hoax by Jspearmint, even more so the Garden City article, which is backed up by text inserted at other wiki articles (generally by IPs) and also a user-created last.fm page here, with three musical tracks (one labelled "Morrisons: Fresh Choice for You"), the British supermarket chain had no actual shops in Howard's lifetime. The prime movant of the riot, Penelope Waldegrave-Houghton described as a moderately successful suffragist, doesn't show up on google, nor does her father, Hugo, a "local dignitary". It's a clever hoax but a hoax nonetheless. Note that there is a phony image in the article, which may require action by Commons. Wehwalt (talk) 13:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sigh. He really is rather good. Tempting to let him pull it off then delete teh article and finish him off. Crafty (talk) 01:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm open to ideas as to how to get him devote his talents to improving the encyclopedia. I know something about writing, I have 14 FA's. But this guy is good.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Good? No. Oh, I think he started out good, in an Anakin Skywalker kind of way, but then began to use his powers for evil instead... Chances are, he probably does create legitimate articles under his main user name, but creates a sinister alter ego to create hoax pages. I can't blame anyone for making a hoax, considering all the legitimate articles that get voted off the island, but it only adds to the misgivings people have about Wikipedia reputation. Mandsford (talk) 20:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
That was my thinking, too. There are several million wikipedia articles that are worse written, worse laid out, and worse referenced than this one. (The references are of course all made up.) I suspect that the author has some legitimate editing to his credit. Not to mention great promise as a writer of fiction. PhGustaf (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 00:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Sebastian Openshaw[edit]

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Another apparent hoax by User:Jspearmint (see Garden City (album) and Letchworth Corset Riot.) Google reveals nothing. Note that there is a phony image in the article, which may require action by Commons.Wehwalt (talk) 13:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Answers.com derives quite a lot from here. More than likely a supporting vandalism insertion by Jspearmint or a sock )(one sock has already been blocked).--Wehwalt (talk) 19:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was keep. JForget 00:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Opensouls[edit]

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Contested speedy of A7, claiming notability as "They are widely known in New Zealand There have received alot of coverage on New Zealand television for there two albums. They have had 2 charted albums in the Official New Zealand album chart." Neutral pending further research into references I'mperator 12:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Lucky stone

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Editor Count: 4 Creator: Brow66dani Nominator: Ironholds

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The result was Keep. There is very strong support for a merge to Freshwater drum, but this is not quite unanimous and valid objections have been raised. What is apparent from this discussion is that Lucky stone should not be a redlink on Wikipedia; discussions about a merge can continue on the relevant talk pages. NACS Marshall Talk/Cont 08:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Lucky stone[edit]

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fails WP:GNG. Ironholds (talk) 12:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

This article could be merged with the article on the Freshwater Drum. However, I believe it merits a stand alone article which could be named either "Lucky Stone" or "Lucky Stones." I have now enumerated various sources which point to the importance of Lucky stones in Ancient Native American Culture and in Modern Culture. Certainly, "lucky stones" merit more importance than recent articles I have read on Wikipedia regarding Pop Culture video games. The otoliths of the Freshwater Drum have been collected for centuries, especially along the main breeding grounds of the Freshwater Drum along the shores of Lake Erie and Red Lake in Wisconsin. Brow66Dani Brow66dani (talk) 13:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

No doubt, but not being a native of the area, when I think of "lucky stones," this is not what I envision. Would a Merge and Redirect to the fish article be suitable for the time being?SithToby (talk) 17:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

It strikes this author that perhaps it is Ethnocentric or Eurocentric to consider that the topic of "lucky stones" is not noteworthy enough to merit its own article when I just read a new article on Wikipedia titled Rick Dancer about a minor celebrity/politician in Oregon (where I currently reside). I will plead guilty to my own ethocentrism as well as the article would be stronger with more research regarding the Native American link to lucky stones. Unfortunately, most references I have found give only vague references to lucky stones having been collected for centuries by Native Americans and that they have been found in "ancient archaeological sites" etc.... I do remember reading one article that gave a specific tribal reference. Others could help me strengthen the article by doing further research as well. The broader point, however, is that lucky stones are artifacts which have been collected for centuries and seem to this writer far more noteworthy than many other articles that appear on Wikipedia. Comments by others?? Brow66Dani 68.118.60.87 (talk) 14:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC) BroDani Brow66dani (talk) 02:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, there is an article on otoliths, with no reference to these, nor the archaelogical significance. Perhaps that's a better home? SithToby (talk) 15:27, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JForget 14:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Alan Azar[edit]

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New article by new user, but might not meet notability standards. –BuickCenturyDriver 12:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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The result was delete. JForget 00:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Pink Floyd tribute bands[edit]

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Two notable bands? This list is pointless, or premature at best (and that's being generous. TheJazzDalek (talk) 11:47, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was No consensus. Strictly by counting noses, this would be a straight keep, but some of the "keep" !votes were given somewhat less weight. NACS Marshall Talk/Cont 08:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Tactical frivolity[edit]

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Nominating on behalf of 24.22.141.252, who writes that the article "violates core policies, see WP:V, WP:CITE, WP:NOR - for all we know, this is copyvio or just made up".  Skomorokh  11:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

There are protests on offer on the streets of London every single day , and per improvements to the article supported by reliable sources, tactical frivolity is now a tried and trusted protest technique. Granted some of these daily protests are small beer, but have a look at the new BBC video to see the massive scale tactical frivolity is sometimes practiced on. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
The sentence you added is, “By 2007, in an article by journalist John Harris about protests against the air industry, tactical frivolity was described as a "tried and trusted" protest technique.”[64] This sounds like Mr. Harris is calling "tactical frivolity…a 'tried and trusted' protest technique," doesn't it? But here's what the article actually says: "Meanwhile, a group of drummers bash out what may or may not be a samba rhythm - an example, says one protester, of a tried-and-tested technique known as 'tactical frivolity'." A single anonymous protester is not a reliable source for the tried-and-trueness of "tactical frivolity." What the article does establish is that at least one unnamed protester used this term in 2007.24.22.141.252 (talk) 20:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Lets be clear that this article isnt about the phrase "tactical frivolity" - its about the humorous non violent protest method, which our sources show was undisputedly practiced on a massive scale around the scene of G8 meetings both in 2001 and 2005. Even if youre right about Harris, there was no risk of seriously misleading anyone, as it is a tried and trusted technique.
The stress of the sentence in the Harris article suggest it was the journalists who added the "tried and trusted" descriptor, the protestor merely saying his samba playing counts as an example. Its unlikely Harris would include "tried and trusted" if he didnt agree it was accurate, even in the improbable event that the protestor used the phrase. Still as you say there is a chance it was the protestors view, so I've changed it to take the emphasis off Harris. Maybe you can revert me if you agree with the above. I've also mentioned the lack of success, which is mentioned in the sources for both the 01 & 05 G8s.
That said , Im not motivated to spend much more energy trying to rescue this article if you remain determined to delete. This kind of tactic achieves nothing, unless the protesters are made use of by someone with real political insight. As discussed nothing was done for the developing world at the 2005 meeting that wasnt already agreed. By contrast, at the 2009 G8 in Italy, the Pope's recently released encyclical Charity and Truth played a major role in setting the agenda (see Financial Times ), and led among other things to an additional 5 billion of funding for a sustainable solution to hunger. Sincerity and Love always trump any amount of clever humour. There's no laughter in Heaven, only Joy, and what wont be settled by words is never settled by jokes, but by blood. It wont be a tragedy if we loose this article. Im taking it off my watchlist. FeydHuxtable (talk) 21:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

David Oaks[edit]

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Notability not established. Little mention on google news apart from articles about "Mad Pride" event rather than the man himself. Being a director and available for public speaking bookings does not of itself establish notability. Any information on his role as director of real value can be merged into MindFreedom International which at the moment makes no mention of him. The page text duplicates http://www.mindfreedom.org/about-us/david-w-oaks/ which is CC2.5 but seems pointless to copy when a reference on MindFreedom International would supply the reader the same information. Ash (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

(note) Not actually a copyvio as mentioned in the nomination.—Ash (talk) 08:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 12:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Sister Kitty Catalyst O.C.P.[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO - all of the sources are trivial mentions of her activities for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Now that organisation is notable but notability is not inherited. If it was, the sources just don't support the article - the only really informative one is from the SOPI website and that does not count for the purposes of notability. At best, a small bit could be merged to that article. Cameron Scott (talk) 08:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

But they are not about her, they are about the work of her within the organisation structure. Which is way, merging some of the content there makes more sense. And as I said on your talkpage, if you have something to say, say it, nothing worse than snide comments intended to poison the well. What's funny in my actions? How, where, diffs. --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Simply not true, the references document her work as a public health activist, as an artist and also as a member of the SPI (I have now found an academic ref which says she is an archivist for them). Articles do mention the SPI, but then if the subject is called "Sister Kitty Catalyst" an explanation is required: they do notdescribe her art as being the Sisters' work, but rather her own. --Simon Speed (talk) 13:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
And I have replied on my talk page.
:::: No they don't, you've just added 1) trivial reference from a book mentioning her in the context of her work for SPOI - literally a line that says "thanks to Kitty", 2) a trivial reference from an article written by someone in her organisation and 3) a trivial mention about her in a wider article - and that's the best source of the lot about her as a person. It's still a whole lot of nothing. --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
The word trivial is being applied here willy nilly. Two of the Bay Times articles and the Chronicle article, both describe her various roles (and she isn't some pornstar)and include interview material with her. The notability guideline does say trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability: so I suppose the very respectable supply of secondary sources simply have to be cast in that light to justify deletion. --Simon Speed (talk) 22:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
What's slightly problematical is that together as a single article, there is enough to make me vote keep. Really the articles should be merged and worked on together and then the single article should be considered. --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Since I lack a name of the person underneath the persona, there is no place to merge to, which is why my vote is delete at the time. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Is there any precedent for having a 'slash' article ? Kitty Catalyst/DJ Puss. --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I doubt it. Now, in terms of "personas", a person like Christopher Smart had the persona "Mrs Mary Midnight". That persona is worthy of having its own article since there are books and books written about it. There is a much higher level needed to have a persona on its own page. The name should be on the individual behind the persona, which shouldn't be too hard to find. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I know the name from a bit of internet research, problem is, I know 'the truth' but have no way of providing verification. --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Put up what you have as long as it doesn't out any Wikipedia users and others can see what they can make of it. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
"All combined" seems to agree with my point that if there is information on Wiki, it should be at one place, no? :) Ottava Rima (talk) 14:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I have emailed you. --Cameron Scott (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
This seems to be verification of the identity of Holmann, of the Spectrum, being DJ Puss Puss - "I also dj as DJ Pusspuss (mainly private events and awide variety of benefits) so I have an active and street knowledge of what people are seeking." It is reliable as it comes from the individual himself and is done as an official act in promotion of the column. The column happens to be used as reliable sourcing, mind you. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm more skeptical about using an archived mailing list post as a reliable source in a BLP, but it's unimportant at the moment. Until we have a reliable source connecting A to B, it's irrelevant that we can connect B to C. -- Vary (Talk) 15:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Vary, that is a reliable source because it is 1. official business as it is promotional for a business and has all of the business information on it, 2. from the person in question (thus falling under primary sourcing for use of blogs and the such), and 3. not controversial as there is no denial of it made in a public source. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I concur, it's fine under our guidelines on self-publication. --Cameron Scott (talk) 15:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. BLP mandates that we use only high-quality sources and I simply don't think this qualifies. As the DJ's notability is far more marginal it's unsurprising that there is no more reliable source for his real name. But for the moment that's a matter for the DJ article's AFD, as there has been no reliable source provided connecting the subject of this AFD to the subject of that article. -- Vary (Talk) 15:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
from WP:BLP Self-published material may be used in biographies of living persons only if written by the subjects themselves. Subjects may provide material about themselves through press releases, personal websites, or blogs. - how does that not fit? --Cameron Scott (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
It's a weak source for the DJ article. At the moment, it's not a source for this article at all. -- Vary (Talk) 16:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
how about this --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
A caption on a photo from an old webpage only available on archive.org? No, Cameron, that is not a reliable source. All I've seen so far is little better than gossip. Googlestalking a persona and 'figuring out' their real identity is inappropriate. We need real sources from real publications. I've never understood the perception that this kind of behavior is banworhty when it's directed at a fellow editor but perfectly acceptable when some marginally notable BLP subject is involved. -- Vary (Talk) 16:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
You better get over to IFD then because the photos on both articles are provided by the same photographer, we better delete both on them to be on the safe side. --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Weak keep. Now disregarding the sekrit identity issue as the sourcing isn't up to Wikipedia standards, Sister Kitty Catalyst seems to be just notable enough as an activist and spokesperson for the SF queer community to have an article. The sourcing isn't the most brilliant, but there's just enough sources giving slightly more than a glancing reference to edge me into siding with keep. There's more sources out there than are currently included in the article, including three mentions in Google Books, and some more at SF Bay Times, SF Weekly etc. Fences&Windows 08:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
You mean merge with DJ Pusspuss and form Benjamin Holmann, right? :) Ottava Rima (talk) 16:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Folk often express contradictory preferences, and its often possible to address both concerns long as one looks at each case individually and is willing to be creative when necessary. This case is fairly simple, the same editor who expressed concerns over outing wanted to keep the article, hence my votes. I agree with you that if its known the subject doesn't want an article its best to delete even if its borderline notable. FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
We only need one reason not to merge these articles: we have no reliable sources connecting them to each other or to any real-life identity. What we know about who wrote them, and what we think we know about that individual's real life identity, is irrelevant. Wiki gossip takes a backseat to our content policies. The fact that these are evidently autobiographies does not exempt us from following WP:BLP. We can not move this article to a different location until we have credible sources for a rename. -- Vary (Talk) 22:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Simonxag, the author of the text you’ve cited here[66] is not Evans and Healey, but “Sister Soami,” formerly “Sister Missionary Position." Evans and Healey are the editors the volume in which an interview with Sr. Soami appeared.
Pseudonymous members of fringe groups do not qualify as reliable sources. Even so, if you insist upon using them, you must cite them. To do otherwise 1) denies the writer credit for his/her work 2) puts words into the mouth of the person(s) to whom the material is falsely attributed 3) deceives readers and other editors about the true source of the cited claim.
Finally, though Routledge is indeed an academic press,Amie M. Evans and Trebor Healey are not academics, nor is the book an "academic book," as you’d written.[67][68] Instead, it appears that Evans is a writer of erotic fiction,[69] while Trebor Healey is a novelist and poet.
In the future, please take care not to misattribute and mischaracterize our sources.24.22.141.252 (talk) 21:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The authors are as I've stated them. The information does come from an interview in the book, but not from a piece written by Sister Soami. If my edit summary was inaccurate (which I think is debatable - not an academic book?), the citation in the article is 100% accurate. And I would consider the authors to be another independent reliable source to add to those already cited. Deletions, raised by sock puppets, now accusations by anonymous contributers. Things just get funnier and funnier. --Simon Speed (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Does the source actually state who asked the interviewer(s) was? I don't see it. If you cite a paper in a book, you should include the title of the paper, especially when the title makes it clear that Evans and Healey are not the authors of the text you've cited. But that would make it crystal-clear what a joke these sources are.
Here, you cite the "SF Bay Times" without crediting the author, "Sister Dana Van Iquity." In doing so, you likewise hide the very dubious nature of the source - are we to accept this as a serious journalist? - while denying Ms. Van Iquity credit for her writing.
Having reviewed the histories of several of these articles in detail, things have been "funny" for some time now. Here, for example, you insist that the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are nuns, which you cite to a defunct porn site, contra WP:RS. Here, you restore the obviously inappropriate Category:Nuns.
Something funny is going on, alright, and it doesn't seem to have much to do with building a reliable encyclopedia.24.22.141.252 (talk) 21:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Check google books:[70]
1) Evans and Healey are explicitly credited as editors of the volume.
2) It is a collection of papers by various people, each of whom is explicitly credited for his/her submission. Where Evans or Healey are the authors, they are explicitly stated as such (for example, if we were to cite one of Healey's submissions, we would do so as Healey, Trebor. 2008. "Title." in Evans & Healey ed.)
3) The author in this instance is shown as "An Interview with Sister Soami of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence." (p. ix).24.22.141.252 (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
At least we agree on something! Something funny is definitely going on. I hid no source. Nor do I think a member of of a respected part of SF gay community, writing as herself (not anonymously!!!), in a respected local newspaper under editorial control (as all contributers must be) is any less reliable than any other journalist. And yes the Sisters are nuns: I think you'll find them described as such in most UK journalistic coverage of them, not ordinary, holy or pious, but "nuns" is the word used. Google cites Evans & Healey as both authors and editors of the work, if no other interviewer is credited then it is they. --Simon Speed (talk) 22:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Read the table of contents. In fact, the author is listed as "An Interview with Sister Soami of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence;" the paper is entitled, "Good Habits to Hang On To." If that seems unorthodox, well, it is.24.22.141.252 (talk) 22:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Unorthodox yes - but the interviewer is not an interview: it is Evans & Healey's book and they are the stated authors. --Simon Speed (talk) 22:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I see nothing at all which indicates that the questions were written by anyone other than "Sister Soami" (a.k.a. "Sister Missionary Position") him/herself, do you?
As with "SF Bay Times", it seems we'll do anything we can to hide the fact that our purported academics and journalists are really just various pseudonymous members of this fringe group.24.22.141.252 (talk) 22:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I have done nothing to hide anything. My name is Simon Speed, what's yours?!!! I have found some reliable sources, which seems to be a problem, for some. I don't know anything about Evans & Healey, except that their book is published by a reputable academic publisher: I suspect (from the subject) that they may be gay and members of the Roman Catholic Church. --Simon Speed (talk) 22:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
So we're just going to pretend that your source isn't "Sister Soami"?24.22.141.252 (talk) 23:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Pretend what you like. The source is Evans & Healey as stated and as can be verified by anyone checking it. --Simon Speed (talk) 23:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I invite anyone reading this to verify for him/herself: the front cover, publication data, table of contents and the "interview" are all available for preview.[71]24.22.141.252 (talk) 23:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Excellent. --Simon Speed (talk) 23:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I have improved on those two refs by using ((cite book)) and ((cite news)), filling in the details and using "quote=" to record what is said rather than paraphrase. Also, the old eros-guide zine mentioned above can be found at archive.org. None of those sources are spectacular venues of indisputable information, resulting in a biog riddled with dubious information. If we do use this type of source, it is important to show the reader the dubious nature of the information by properly describing the sources. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:51, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Comment: I'm afraid the anonymous editor is factually correct. Since Sr Soami is listed among the contributors to the volume, and did not contribute any of the other articles, it is perfectly reasonable to assume the interview is Sr Soami's work. There is no basis for inferring that the editors of the volume conducted the interview. That doesn't, however, automatically make it unreliable. The volume is published by Routledge, and was itself edited.KD Tries Again (talk) 16:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)KD Tries Again

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The result was Speedy delete G3, obvious vandalism. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The Herald (album)[edit]

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No ghits or google news results for this apparently highly controversial yet commercially successful album. No appearances in the music review sites that panned it so critically, the second worst reviewed album at metacritic is something called 'Hefty Fine by Bloodhound Gang' and not this album as claimed. Nothing to support the existence of this song, fails WP:V and is quite possibly an outright hoax and written as an attack on or to otherwise disparage Travis Barker. Benea (talk) 07:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 00:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Ronald Jebson[edit]

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See WP:BLP1E. Wikipedia shouldn't be a publisher of true crime stories. This person has no historical significance that would merit an article, nor are there any truly biographical sources (where he, rather than the one event he gained notoriety for, is the subject of the source). He committed a murder that was briefly in the news, and that is all. But we are not a news source. Delete. Dominic·t 05:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was keep. The article is going in the right direction at the moment. Keep it this way. Tone 10:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

List of zombie novels[edit]

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Pretty much an unsourced list of non-notable books and authors. This would be similar to creating List of albums and listing all of the bands which fail WP:BAND. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 05:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Novels and comic books are not valid items for a Further reading section, so merging wouldn't make sense. DreamGuy (talk) 17:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Or, in other words, you violated WP:CANVASS by going to articles of people you thought would support your side and by avoiding any place that would likely have people disagree with you. Yet another example of you trying to game the system. DreamGuy (talk) 17:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
No, he did not... and your accusation is in no way supported by guideline or policy. He did nothing sneaky. He did not try to encourage others to support his point of view. he was neutral in the extreme. He simply posted notices in a very few places where this discussion might receive input from knowledgable editors. Editors coming here becasue of the notice are just as likely to agree with you as with anyone else. If the messages told others in how they should comment, you'd have reason to cry foul. But this is not the case. I read WP:CANVAS several times to be sure... his message was quite specifically Limited AND Neutral AND Nonpartisan AND Open. It most definitely was not Mass posting OR Biased OR Partisan OR Secret..... so nope, he did not violate CANVAS. Wrong queue. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 00:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
He simply posted on articles where people more concerned with trivia about a specific topic than encyclopedic standards gather. the Wikiproject would be resonable, specific novel articles clearly are not. DreamGuy (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Please see WP:CLS which explains, "each method of organizing information has its own advantages and disadvantages, and is applied for the most part independently of the other". In other words, categories are not superior to lists and do not supersede them. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
But since the article is just a spam trap and the use of categories would prevent this (because you'd need an article to add the category for), I consider this the optimal form for this information. --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
"Spam trap" I think we need a definition here: Spam is the abuse of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. I am still scratching my head, a list of published books is not spam by any sense of the word. 01:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Fram, good to see you again, I notice how you always zero in on my particular AfD arguments, and I am touched.
Believe it or not, there are quite a few options in our wikipedia tool belt other then deletion, many editors here have talked about merging and redirecting, which could have amicably been discussed on the talk page first.
  1. Per WP:BEFORE: Consider making the page a useful redirect or proposing it be merged rather than deleted. Neither of these actions requires an AfD.
  2. Read the article's talk page...If there is no discussion then start one, outlining your concerns. Then watch for responses from interested editors.
  3. When nominating an article for deletion due to sourcing or notability concerns, make a good-faith attempt to confirm that such sources aren't likely to exist.
  4. ...Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator or notifying an associated wikiproject, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD. If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a good candidate for AfD.
This is just BEFORE, we can discuss WP:PRESERVE later it you like.
The nominator has said that, "I have no intention of trying to fix this article" above, it seems like there is no effort to discuss any option except delete. WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE both policies, are not there to be ignored. They are there to help editors avoid the controversy and drama of AfDs. Ikip (talk) 20:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't always zero in on your particular AFD arguments, only when they are patently ridiculous (like twice in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Triangel) or when you canvass an AfD first (like you did for this one at Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron#List of zombie novels, where the message was definitely not neutral but praising the article) and then make another bizarre reasoning. I don't reply in all AfD's you are around, and don't reply exclusively to you (even in this AfD). As for your arguments: if a nominator is convinced (rightly or wrongly) that there are no alternatives and deletion is the only option, it would be quite stupid to first spend time editing the article only to nominate it then anyway. And there is no "drama" in AfD if you don't want it to be there, there is only drama when people don't discuss rationally and with solid arguments. IF AfD regulars make poor arguments (giving extremely irrelevant but high Google numbers, like you did, or offering essays time and time again as if they are rock solid policy, like one of your colleagues does in many AfD's, or stating that "growth is the purpose of Wikipedia", like yet another ARS colleague of yours does in this AfD), then I may comment on that as I see fit. Fram (talk) 07:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
And since when is WP:BEFORE a policy? As you can see on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#Upgrade WP:BEFORE to a guideline?, a discussion you participated in, there is even serious opposition against making it a guideline... Fram (talk) 07:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
That's a pointless argument, and certainly not a valid reason to vote Keep on an AFD. BEFORE and PRESERVE are being used as clubs by anti-deletionists with absolutely no understanding of how Wikipedia is supposed to work. DreamGuy (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Of course that's not what I said. But I did go to the village pump and asked opinions there prior to coming here, so it's not like this nomination came out of the blue. And you yourself have not explained why you think the article should be kept, so, of course, your "vote" will be ignored. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
    • My ¬vote was influenced primarialy by Ikip and Colonel, and my comment, directed at you, by Ret.Prof. Since you insist I rehash their arguments they are as follows:
      1. Sources are easily available and the article can be improved
      2. Categories and lists are not mutually exclusive, and the list assists users in navigation, benefiting the encyclopædia.
      3. You stated you did not try and improve this article and would not do so in the future, this kind of attitude harms the encyclopædia. You are not here to build an encyclopædia if you wilfully disregard policies and guidelines. If you think a page is bad, you must make some effort to improve it. (Pages meeting CSD naturally excepted.) Irbisgreif (talk) 04:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Candidly, he shouldn't have to have any intention of improving the article if he thinks it should be deleted. Pointless arguments like that have no business being argued here. DreamGuy (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Also candidly and with respects, yes... if a nominator is of an opinion that something does not belong in these pages, it is unlikley that they will bother to improve the article or give consideration to WP:BEFORE or WP:ATD. Those that think they should do so will bump heads with those that think they should not. Guideline should be rewritten to remove any such responsibility from those who nominate articles for deletion. Why should guideline instruct something that they are not being expected to do? I have so far myself 'saved' over 150 articles from deletion that would not have been at AfD if ATD and BEFORE were followed... and yes, there are rare exceptions. But again... why have guidelines that are impossible to enforce, not expected to be enforced, and only cause dissention. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
And as a follow up, we ALREADY have the article Zombies in popular culture, which covers the notable works of fiction. All the split off articles should be redirected to the main topic. DreamGuy (talk) 17:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
This doesn't include many of the books in this list. In case you didn't notice, there is a further tag under the Zombies_in_popular_culture#The_modern_zombie_in_print_and_literature section. This is an expanded section. Ikip (talk) 20:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
The existence of a "further tag" is not a valid reason to keep the article. I know you and some others weighing in here vote Keep on every AFD that comes up and have a basic problem with encyclopedic standards, but I wish you'd give it a rest and go find a more appropriate web site to spend your time on. DreamGuy (talk) 15:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
This narrow interpretation of WP:SALAT would delete these Wikipedia:Featured_lists. Broad? Please. This is a small subgenere of horror novels, which has only existed since Night of the Living Dead in the late 1960's, and has only bloomed in the past 5 years. There are very few books, and now that the grand majority of the non-sourced books have been removed, there is less than 30 novels, about 10 of these can be removed also. Per User:TheGrappler, "a list of books can contain redlinks and be sorted by criteria such as date, author surname and title in a way that a category can't be" you can't see the year of the book, you can't see the footnotes of the book with a simply category. Ikip (talk) 01:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I meant broad not as in the topic of zombie novels, which is well defined and notable. I meant broad as in a list of all zombie novels ever written. Writing about zombie novels is one thing, writing about every zombie novel is another. We can't pretend to create lists of all things that exist; the idea is laughable and the result is usually embarrassing. A category works superbly as it identifies every article we have on a particular topic, including those too broad and too narrow for encyclopedic articles to be developed. ThemFromSpace 01:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Talk:List_of_zombie_novels#Removed_to_talk These have been removed from the talk page since the AfD. Only articles with blue links and references are in the article now. Less than 30 books. Ikip (talk) 01:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Cool3 (talk) 03:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Iranites[edit]

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Not notable, information lacking citation WilliamC24 (talk) 05:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Website was apparently functioning through 2006; here's what's at Archive.org: Last substantial version, Last (tiny) version -- AnonMoos (talk) 16:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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Luftwaffe bomber crash near Kingsdown, Kent in November 1940

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The result was delete. JForget 00:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Luftwaffe bomber crash near Kingsdown, Kent in November 1940[edit]

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Kingsdown lies directly beneath the Luftwaffe's route from Germany to London. In 1940 aircraft being downed in this area was an almost nightly occurrence. I suggest that the East Kent Mercury did not report it because even then they deemed it non-notable. No pressing arguments for why this is more notable than hundreds of similar events. (See author's arguments on the talk page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)))

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Posterous

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The result was keep. There is enough consensus in seven days among non-SPA members that it can be closed as a keep JForget 23:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Posterous[edit]

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Was originally going to CSD it but it doesn't fit into any of the categories. I ran a google search and found no other sources showing the site other then the site and twitter. Non-Notable. SKATER Speak. 04:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

[80] [81] [82] [83] [84] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.44.216 (talk) 21:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC) 76.119.44.216 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

--Xrecar (talk) 03:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC) — Xrecar (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Comment to closing admin The "don't delete" headings might make it obvious, but please note that there has been canvassing outside Wikipedia. Steven Walling 08:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
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The Big Golden Book of Dinosaurs

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The result was delete. JForget 00:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The Big Golden Book of Dinosaurs[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this book Joe Chill (talk) 02:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Ben Cup

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The result was Deleted by User:Neutrality --JForget 23:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Ben Cup[edit]

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An IP contested my prod. This is a made up drinking game. For some reason, a few editors are trying to speedy delete this when it doesn't fit any criteria. Joe Chill (talk) 02:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Brain Toniq

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The result was delete. JForget 14:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Brain Toniq[edit]

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Barely noticeable (let alone notable) "think drink." There are no real references here with in-depth discussion except for a review at highlighthealth.com. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 23:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
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Herman Toothrot

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The result was merge to Monkey Island (series)#Characters. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 07:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Herman Toothrot[edit]

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Wholly insignificant minor character. No claim of notability and no citations to reliable third-party sources. No attempt to offer a real-world treatment of the topic; article is merely a regurgitation of his appearances in several games, covered sufficiently in the very brief blurb about him in the franchise article. --EEMIV (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd rather suggest Monkey Island (series)#Characters or World of Monkey Island#Primary Characters, no new page should be made. LaukkuTheGreit (TalkContribs) 15:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Absent citations and a real-world, encyclopedic treatment, these characters' coverage at World of Monkey Island is sufficient; none of the current content is in any way worth merging. World of Monkey Island itself already is in sorry state, but at least the character blurbs offer appropriate brevity for such insignificant topics. --EEMIV (talk) 15:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Herman's plot analysis, I mean. Not Stan's. LaukkuTheGreit (TalkContribs) 15:47, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I suggested a merge for Herman. LaukkuTheGreit (TalkContribs) 16:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Herman has some (although still little) potential to be notable, because of major story inconsistencies. There is nothing special about Stan. LaukkuTheGreit (TalkContribs) 20:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
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Elaine Marley

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The result was Keep. There is support for a merge, and some for a redirect, and discussions about this may continue on the article's talk page; but it's quite apparent from this discussion there is a strong consensus that Elaine Marley should be a bluelink on Wikipedia. NACS Marshall Talk/Cont 08:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Elaine Marley[edit]

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Wholly insignificant minor character. No claim of notability and negligible reference to third-party source. Negligible real-world treatment of the topic; article is a regurgitation of her appearances in several games. Original research on "inconsistencies" in the franchise to boot. --EEMIV (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

A "list of characters" is already a component of World of Monkey Island. Itself a collection of plotcruft and NFC abuse, it offers appropriate blurb/brief treatment as appropriate for this minor character. None of the content in this article -- uncited, plot regurgitation -- warrants merging anywhere. --EEMIV (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Why on Earth would you suggest moving the "inconsistency" section -- which is both entirely trivial and entirely unreferenced original research -- anywhere? --EEMIV (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I thought that if the article is merged, the Inconsistency section would not be important enough to mention in a list of characters, but could be included in Escape from Monkey Island, which the section is mostly talking about. But you're right, it is OR. LaukkuTheGreit (TalkContribs) 20:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
A gratuitous copy-and-paste from a single source does not establish notability. While you're whacking at these articles, please trim/paraphrase your bulky block quotes. --EEMIV (talk) 16:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The fact that the character is mentioned in multiple reviews, previews, etc. for multiple games does. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
With all due respect, how do "mentions" help us build a decent article? Nifboy (talk) 07:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
You're right! I'd forgotten about WP:HOTTIES. Fences&Windows 17:00, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Wait, since when has That Guy with the Glasses been considered a reliable source?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge I'd like to say there's enough development and/or reception information to warrant an article out there, but really...there doesn't seem to be. I could see Daphne from Dragon's Lair ending up more plausible for an article to be honest.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. Just too much splitted on notability criteria here. Tip: Please add some references in the second half. That would be helpful in the event of a future AFD (if this happens). JForget 19:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Manon Batiste[edit]

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Wholly insignificant character; player's character in the MOH/COD games might as well be nameless avatars. No claim of notability and zero citations to third-party sources (currently, article is referenced only to the games themselves). This is merely a regurgitation of game plot and a listing of "awards" (i.e. military recognitions) garnered by this make-believe fellow. Easily/sufficiently covered in main franchise article. No attempt to address the subject in an encyclopedic manner, undoubtedly because no significant third-party sources responding to/scrutinizing this might-as-well-be-nameless character exist. --EEMIV (talk) 02:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

A sentence about real-life inspiration and a blurb about developing the soundtrack (note it's not a third-party source) are not evidence of significant third-party coverage. The article remains a bastion of trivia, plot summary, unreferenced speculation and other cruft. --EEMIV (talk) 16:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
WP:ITSCRUFT is never a valid reason for deletion, especially when the article contains non-trivial referenced information. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Please see what my "cruft" link leads to. Hint: I anticipated you once again tossing up your "don't call things cruft" boilerplate. Please stop responding to me on AfD discussions; I find engagement with you frustrating, and I think we can mutually agree we won't change each other's mind, much as we're confident in the soundness of our own arguments. I'll similarly refrain from acknowledging your existence or relevance in AfD. --EEMIV (talk) 00:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay, but you replied to my keep argument first... Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 00:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
but that argument is support of a merge, not delete DGG ( talk ) 22:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I can only refer you to my comment above, and only add that your entire claim about notability through someone else's notability is a fine sample of association fallacy. Dahn (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • By being one of the 12 best female video game characters of all time, who is based on a real person, appears on a major game's cover, etc. she is notable in her own right. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 00:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • You mean being called "one of the 12 best female video game characters of all time" by a guy named windshell in an internet forum... This type of "referencing" is what you base your claim on. Dahn (talk) 00:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • That and common sense, i.e. the cover girl of a major game, based on a significant real world person, also verifiable through reliable reviews and preveiews, etc. all add up. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 00:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Let's call a spade a spade: 1) the one "source" ranking the character in any way is a guy in an internet forum, whose opinion you cited as a reference in defiance of wikipedia policies; 2) that type of reasoning is not common sense, it's a fallacy; 3) if you base the claim that the subject is "one of the 12 best female video game characters of all time" [sic] on the personal judgment that it is "the cover girl of a major game, based on a significant real world person, also verifiable through reliable reviews and preveiews" [sic], you're not only in breach of WP:OR and WP:POV, as in introducing your own ranking, you're also doing it in the most ridiculous manner I have seen so far. Dahn (talk) 00:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Deleting this article would go against everthing this project stands for by being the comprehensive encyclopedia anyone can edit. If we call a spade a spade, then we would rightly call this article notable and its subject verifiable through multiple reliable sources as confirmed by Google News and Google Books. Suggesting otherwise is a ridiculous logical fallacy, because the subject is so obviously notable by any reasonable standard that no one can present any evidence that it is a hoax or libelous or that it does not have a valid redirect location or that no one finds it relevant. Rather, it concerns a cover character based on a real historical figure who is confirmed through published books and on magazine sites who is part of the 30th most successful video game franchise of all time, i.e. it represents unorginal research from multiple perspectives. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 00:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Again the same link to google news... Look, as I've said above, of the seven titles linked there, none address the subject in more than one sentence. This is the same for every source that was "cited" or quoted here, except for some of those that are unreliable - they may into whatever detail they want, but they're unquotable. the sources you mention simply state that the character exists, and this, I gather, is not up for debate. Since wikipedia is by definition less detailed and more synthetic than the sources it uses, and since not even parroting the reliable sources would make the entry grow in size (individually or as part of another article), your claim that something more could be said looks like inclusionist wishful thinking. Dahn (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • It is not simply the link, but the multiple reliable sources with those link and after all Google News and Google Books are NOT the end of reliable sources. The most relevant sources would be articles in other magazines that do not necessarily show up in the online archives and that none of us volunteers can reasonably be expected to have to scroll through in a mere week's time and on a holiday at that. Moreover as indicated above, the sources go beyond just that the character exists, but to confirm as well that she is based on a historical person, how the music was chosen to represent her, how she is one of the best female video game characters of all time, her role in the game with regards to character backrgound, etc. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 00:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • No, I won't debate with esoteric claims about what "else" should be out there but isn't. And all the existing sources have to say about the character goes into a sentence or two, whichever way you look at it. Full stop. Dahn (talk) 00:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • No, they do not. The following is more than a mere sentence or two: Michael Giacchino explains that for "Manon, I wanted a theme that could convey one emotion at a particular moment, and then a completely different emotion the next without having to rely on two completely different themes. As a result, Manon's two main themes are very similar and yet very different. One version of the theme stays the course in a major tone, conveying a feel of great national purpose against the Nazi menace, and the secondary theme dips into a minor 6th chord which describes Manon's more intimate and emotional feelings as an individual and a woman who is pitted against the fascist war machine. Both of these themes are bookended with what liner notes author Paul Tonks has aptly named 'the resolve theme'. This theme was meant to represent the moments where Manon is called upon to steel her nerves and gather the courage to continue on with the fight....Manon travels to places that are not quite so militaristic as Jimmy Patterson. Her journey was a bit more 'scenic'."[6] Some of the reviews from not mere blogs but magazine websites verify the plot information concerning her specifically in full paragraphs. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 00:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • But that one is an alleged statement from a primary source, republished by a venue with no real reliability. That presuming that the information has any relevancy to an encyclopedic coverage, which it appears is not the case. And also presuming that, if it has, it cannot be summarized in a few words - which it could. This is another thing to which I had already answered. As for the equivocation in "some of the reviews from not mere blogs but magazine websites verify the plot information concerning her specifically in full paragraphs", I have to say simply: nonsense. I and several other users have combed through your precious sources, and showed that this is clearly not the case, no matter how much you blur the issue at hand. Between that and your manifest ignorance of WP:RS, there's really nothing more to discuss here. Dahn (talk) 00:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
  • We are allowed to use some reliable primary sources when we have other information verifying the rest of the article in reliable secondary sources. Anyone with any practical knowledge of video games and video game sourcing is arguing to keep or merge this article and that is the bottom line here, because even an amateur with regards to video games knows this character is worthy of at least a redirect with edit history intact, just even someone with only cursory knowledge of this subject recognizes the interview and magazines and books as reliable sources for this subject. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 00:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 00:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Jimmy Patterson[edit]

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Wholly insignificant character; player's character in the MOH/COD games might as well be nameless avatars. No claim of notability and zero citations to any sort of sources. This is merely a list of appearances, gameguide weapons trivia, and a listing of "awards" (i.e. military recognitions) garnered by this make-believe fellow. Easily/sufficiently covered in main franchise article. No attempt to address the subject in an encyclopedic manner, undoubtedly because no significant third-party sources responding to/scrutinizing this might-as-well-be-nameless character exist. --EEMIV (talk) 02:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Please never reply to me - I have *no* interest in what you have to say. --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
This a discussion, not a list of votes. And in these discussions, I strongly encourage you to make factually accurate statements, because generally speaking if not me, then someone will challenge you when they are not. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Then they are welcome to do so but I am frankly sick of your badgering patronising tone, OCD manner and your habit of repeating the same fucking comments to me and other people every time we say something. I am not interested in debating with *you*, I'm happy to take on anyone else. --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
How do you think I feel when I am actually improving the articles under discussion and accounts who make no effort to improve the articles show up with rapid fire copy and paste WP:PERNOM, WP:ITSCRUFT, and WP:JNN that reflect no effort to actually look for sources, no real knowledge of the topic under discussion, and in many instances are just plain false? I don't mind arguing with editors who are actually making good faith efforts with regards to the subject, it is another thing when it is with those who are uninformed about the subject and are so inconsiderate of their colleagues that they don't even bother to help or make truthful statements concerning others' volunteer work. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. JForget 17:55, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Placebo button[edit]

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I don't think a button deserves it's own article under WP:N when there are so many imaginable things that could act on the placebo effect. I already moved everything to Placebo#Non-medical_Placebos, which I think is the best place for it. Habanero-tan (talk) 01:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

DO NOT KEEP. This is urban dictionary material. Has no place on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.125.231.78 (talk) 16:39, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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The result was delete. JForget 00:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Livido[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 01:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Barbadian–Turkish relations

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The result was Withdrawn Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 18:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hyde Park Baptist High School[edit]

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Advert for a non-notable school. Only references to it are trivial mentions in the Austin American-Statesman local newspaper. Nomination withdrawn as apparently all high schools are inherently notable. Perhaps something to do with the American fixation on high school? ;-P Fences&Windows 18:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

p.s. I love the misinterpretation of "colors" in the infobox, which is supposed to be for the school colours. Someone has entered "All Races". Yeah, you'd hope so. Fences&Windows 00:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep I attempted to fix some of the more glaring errors...I think the article should stay up, if a neutral tone is maintained. Waylando91 (talk) 01:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Candyfloss (novel)

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Editor Count: 8 Creator: Jacky daydream Nominator: Daedalus969

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The result was keep. JForget 23:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Candyfloss (novel)[edit]

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Non-notable novel. — dαlus Contribs 00:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

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Queen of Chinatown (compilation)

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The result was delete. JForget 14:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Queen of Chinatown (compilation)[edit]

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Mid-price compilation non notable. Has failed to appear on any notable music chart. Lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. Kekkomereq2 (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


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  6. ^ As quoted in Gary Huff, "Interview with Michael Giacchino," Soundtrack Review Central.
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