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The section has a "Queer appeal and fandom" subsection, and... where is the rest? With all due respect to the LGBT community, the "cultural impact and legacy" of Wolverine is way higher than just that. We are talking about one of the top 5 most popular superheroes EVER! There has to be a section with his global and general impact, before we detail the impact within specific fandoms. Even within comics, he was one of the most successful characters in the 1990s, appearing in several comics and cameos, and with many others being influenced by his characterization or even being blatant ripoffs. There's a lot of ground to cover in that aspect. Cambalachero (talk) 00:36, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fair point, there's got to be a lot more we can include in this section. 2601:240:E200:3B60:FD38:1D0D:F603:DC9E (talk) 02:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I mean, you are right in your assessment, but what do you want others to do about it? Wikipedia is free. Editors aren't being paid to write content. And it's not my job or anyone in the LGBT community to fill in the rest of the section with info about how Wolverine is "one of the top 5 most popular superheroes EVER!" or "his global and general impact", because some people are getting pissy about it. If people think there should be a (sub-)section about all that, they're welcome to Do it themselves. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 10:05, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The book by Suzana Flores I mention below includes the necessary sources for this. I can add a lot more context when I am an established editor. Wrangler1981 (talk) 18:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A psychologist named Suzana Flores has written an entire book about Wolverine and his characteristics, as well as his historical and cultural significance. It's a wealth of information and interpretation and this page should include some of the info. I lost my password to my old Wikipedia account and had to make a new one, so I am waiting until I am an established editor to add the info from her book. I'm hoping to do this soon though. Wrangler1981 (talk) 18:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Presently the intro paragraph identifies Wolverine as solely a character, with a note suggesting that whether he is considered a superhero or an antihero is subjective. While he has antiheroic traits, there are certainly hundreds of sources that characterize him as a superhero. E.g. "Wolverine superhero" gets 139,000 hits on Google whereas "Wolverine antihero" gets 742. I think the intro sentence should designate him as a superhero, and then the later sections in the page elaborate the unusual aspects of the character that make him an antihero. Wrangler1981 (talk) 19:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Presently, Old Man Logan is listed in the publication history. Because this is an alternate version of the character, I think this should only be addressed in the sections for alternate versions. I understand that it's a particularly popular and influential alternate, but so is the Ultimate X-Men version ... Wrangler1981 (talk) 19:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What should we do with the excessive detail of the '00s and '10s sections? Before I started editing there was almost nothing about the 1970s-'90s, but there is really undue weight on the '00s-'10s. Is it possible that this information could be moved to a new page? Would it be possible to make a new article only about Wolverine's complicated fictional biography, or about his story lines in the 21st century? Wrangler1981 (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

From what I've seen across Wikipedia, there has never been an instance where a character's fictional biography had its own page. And honestly, it never should. One of the main criteria of Wikipedia is notability; providing real-world information about things, including fictional characters. Having a page just for Wolverine's biography, by its very nature, would not provide any of that real-world info. The best thing to do is trim the Biography section as much as possible. From some recent comics character article I've seen that have become Good Articles, you could look at Captain America or Iron Man on how to do it. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 23:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok. Thank you. Wrangler1981 (talk) 11:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]