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According to the UPnP Implementers Corporation, the UPnP word mark is NOT an acronym and should always be written as UPnP.
The corporation's own tips on using the word mark claim that the UPnP mark "...is a single entity that happens to consist of four symbols (i.e. four letters), which individually do not have any particular meaning."
I think that at least the page content should be changed, but am unsure as to whether or not the title should also be changed. (Newbie insecurity:-)
JoeBloggs 13:26, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Too many red links on this page. Set up some of these as redirects, or change the content. ArbiterOne 10:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What exactly is "Auto IP"? I've never heard of such a thing. There's Reverse ARP (RARP), Bootstrap Protocol (BOOTP), and Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP), but no "Auto IP". It's removed in the article until someone can explain wtf it is.—Kbolino 04:41, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
Steve Gibson grc.com has a utility to turn off all related UPnP services under Windows XP. On his podcast he also makes heavy usage out of how bad he think it is. Should this be included in this article, or is it hype?
Steve Gibson is far from hysteria, Gibson in his podcast, wants people to know what is this how it works so they can make their own educated choice if they need it and leave it open or turn it off. i had the chance to talk to him in person in starbucks. I also stated that sometimes he is overblowing things more than needed. He told me that If i run UPNP, because of my choice, he has no problem with mu computer or router or UPNP, but if UPNP runs behind my back and i have no idea of this, he has problem. Steve Gibson's goal is people to know what is going on, to know what this is, how it works, so people can make educated choice do they need it or not, leaving the final choice to them. 78.83.97.112 (talk) 21:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Except for link to UPnP Forum (no info there), no info about companies behind this protocol. Background info about companies, history, etc would be nice. Just as a quick note i know that Nokia likes UPnP :-) because the N80 (to be released soon) is actually going to support it.
the "technique comparison" link at the end of the article is dead.
update: another dead link found: http://www.iec.ch/news_centre/release/nr2008/nr4008.html
Compsciwizkid (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
It is interesting to see more deep security analysis about risks of using this protocol in public commercial or corporative environments. Also which kind of attacks this one is exposed to (spoofing, MITM, DoS, etc).
Recently the internet has endured massive DDoS attacks, and the blame seems to largely be on botnets of IoT devices with default credentials. And apparently these devices use UPnP to drill through the user's firewall, which exposes them to the wide internet, thereby making them vulnerable to being co-opted into joining the botnet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.10.80 (talk) 15:34, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps there could be a link in this article to Digital Item Declaration Language, it seems quite in accordance.
I changed the link "An Open Source UPnP Development Kit" to http://pupnp.sourceforge.net/ because the old project at http://upnp.sourceforge.net/ is dead, this one is the successor.
Its the wrong way round. The software is called TwonkyMedia made by TwonkyVision. It also isnt free anymore. Changes made as nescessary. TREX6662k5 03:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
This article would be more immediately useful if it included at least one good example of a usage of UPnP, either near the beginning of the text or in a dedicated section. The MediaServers section, for example, has an example (PVRs), but not the UPnP article itself. (Adding something other than networked PVRs would be best for this.) Parsiferon 23:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
No mention is done about Siemens Gigaset M740 AV (Tnt Decoder) witch can connect to a media server
Try this: http://www.universalmediaserver.com/
Search the Universal Media Server forum for 'M740AV' or try the direct link:
http://www.universalmediaserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1428
Regards
As mentioned in section '5.1 UPnP Software Players & Control Points': -Winamp, a free closed source media player for Windows, using the commercial On2Share UPnP plug-in.
The plug-in is no longer available. see On2Share - UPnP Media Server & Control Point - On2Share [Winamp] --81.207.71.194 11:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Lots of text seems directly copied from [1] and only modified slightly. Compare the example of:
to
The source material is copyrighted, and I don't think the wikipedia article is enough of a re-write, but I'm not gonna tag the article, yet. Gront 21:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a comparison of the different software/hardware packages out there with an emphasis on feature lists? This seems like a good idea for this page... Twinotter 21:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
This article goes into too much technical detail -- the bulk of it describes the workings of the protocol, and parties needing that information should go directly to the source. At the same time, the article does not answer (in clear terms, anyway) simple layman's questions like whether UPnP is dependent on both hardware and software designed to support it (and the answer is yes, you need both). VanishingUser 09:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that a much better technical article that covers the same ground is Zeroconf Rstonehouse (talk) 22:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Back in Feb 07 a list of hardware media players was removed from the control points section. This list is correct just in the wrong section so i have restored the old list and put it under the heading "UPnP Media Render Hardware"
15/11/07
The article is about UPNP not its specific device implementations and what can be achieved by it, there was very little content to this section and just a big bunch of links I have created a new article about UPnP AV MediaServers with what was there. feel free to clean that up. Very little gravitas indeed 10:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Reported here http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/01/15/home_router_insecurity/ is a new issue with UPNP. Maybe someone more tech aware than me can add it. Dublinblue (Simon in Dublin) (talk) 11:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The overview section sounds like an advert for UPnP.
The way i understand it, the main problem with UPnP is that it contains a mechanism for configuring of NAT traversal without demanding authentication. The technology stinks of dumbing computing down and making it insecure. If Joe Sixpack enables UPnP on their router at home, it is possible that a flash applet loaded by an internet page they view will reconfigure their router, so allowing access from outside to their home network.
Having said that, the news section seems out of place. Why explicitly list this one bug? A reference somewhere in the criticisms section would be enough here, in my opinion. Howlingmadhowie (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
This entire section seems to be written by someone selling UPnP. The statements made are very vague and don't give anyone reading it an overall idea of what UPnP actually is. It's full of corporate double-talk. An example is this gem:
User interface (UI) Control UPnP architecture enables vendor control over device user interface and interaction using the web browser.
Why not just say, easily and more succinctly, that UPnP defines no user interface? Or:
UPnP does not specify or constrain the design of an API for applications running on control points;
In this case, I'd say that UPnP is a network protocol, not an API or software product.
It's almost like the article is TRYING to confuse people.
Doesn't mean my opinion matters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.187.231 (talk) 08:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
How does this compare to Apple 'Bonjour'? It sounds like the same kind of thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.166.15 (talk) 07:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I think this article is a bit misleading in regards to UPnP being a pervasive networking protocol used in corporate environments. In the first paragraph it lists UPnP as a computer networking protocol (which later makes reference to an expired IETF draft), also it is somewhat misleading stating that UPnP is used for data communications in a corporate environment (USB hard drive to computer, sure, but not for networked devices as is suggested). My experience and training have taught me that having a device be able to dynamically mix into a corporate network, if left unchecked, is a bad thing (any networking security certification will tell you this, such as my CompTIA Security +, or CCNA/CCNP). I think while the attempt of making UPnP a networking protocol is a valid stub, portraying it as an all out standardized networking protocol is not appropriate. I think the bulk of the article needs to be focused on USB and hardware expansion devices that utilize UPnP (NIC's, graphics cards, Ipods, usb attached devices etc...). Cheers, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon.bosche@gmail.com (talk • contribs) 15:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Some parts of this article read like an advertisement. For example: "Any operating system and any programming language can be used to build UPnP products. UPnP does not specify or constrain the design of an API for applications running on control points; OS vendors may create APIs that suit their customer's needs. UPnP enables vendor control over device UI and interaction using the browser as well as conventional application programmatic control."
This sounds like a brochure advocating the use of UPnP. Specifically "enables vendor control over device UI and interaction" sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me. Since when has *any* network protocol dictated how the UI controlling it, or controlling something running over it, should look? -- Sorpigal (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me that over time, the page is expanding & expanding on messages about security leaks, while little else is added.
The page seems very much written by anti-UPnP contributors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.138.227.11 (talk) 14:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
if you disable UPnP, will this remove the ability for USB devices to auto discover? Sephiroth storm (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I propose that the UPnP AV media server article get merged into this Universal Plug and Play article, since they basicially describe the same technology that is used for the same purpose, and there are already seperate articles for both List of UPnP AV media servers and clients and Comparison of UPnP AV media servers. Anyway, I am just questioning why have several articles for the same thing? 164.4.17.32 (talk) 07:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Nick Garnett 18:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC): Merging the UPnP Media Server article with this one seems OK, as long as the lead article is this one. The other UPnP devices should be addressed also, rather than just referring to "clients". There are a number of other devices, such as the player, renderer, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickgarnett (talk • contribs) 18:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Noticed (finally) that other UPnP devices are mentioned. I think the player and renderer deserve more attention. Nick Garnett 19:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickgarnett (talk • contribs)
UPnP AV media server should be a subsection under UPNP. Possibly under another subsection for Applications of UPNP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.12.247.209 (talk) 14:54, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Done --Kvng (talk) 23:48, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
The section on potential problems with UPnP was missing, and had been completely deleted with an uninformative edit message by a drive-by editor. Since I could not find a debate about why it should be removed I have restored it for now. Carewolf (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
I've removed numerous links from the External links section as per WP:EL. The following may be useful as references. --Kvng (talk) 00:17, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Contribution by 192.118.35.248 (talk · contribs). hot fully baked. -—Kvng 16:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
References
The link to the standards documents [28] is dead and simply redirects to http://www.upnp.org/ which is not very useful. --92.224.134.189 (talk) 13:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Why does eezUPnP is not listed as a UPnP AV client ? it is cross-platform using java. Solsticedhiver (talk) 09:55, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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