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I think the definite article in Ukrainians in the Kuban is superflous. I looked at the Kuban article and looked it up in Google, and it most often comes without an article. Wouldn't Ukrainians in Kuban or Kuban Ukrainians be better? Any ideas? --Hillock65 23:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Good for Junior High or Ukrainian House version of history. But questionably for WP. As far as I can see pre 1917 sources stated there (Kuban) only Cossacks minority existed – as separate ethno-cultural population group highly known for their Crown loyalty and military capability. As regards LittleRussian treatment as Ukrainian – pre 1917 sources noted existence of both – e.g. Ukrainian and LittleRussian. Moreover extrapolation of LittleRussian speaker as Ukrainians it’s not scientific, so taking into account the time and place of such “scholar works” it can be treated as political demands rather then scientifically proved approach. So after 1917 everyone would like to have their loyalty so every methods was allowed. Soviet gain non-rich Cossacks loyalty – rest spread over different type of political movement – from Royalist to simply bandits. During and after Civil War times such powerful but not fully loyal to regime group should be neutralized through not only “DeCossackisation” but also through splitting a society through dividing by major national group – e.g. Ukrainian and Russian – also quite known the initiators and conductors of such policy- they was nor Ukrainians nor Russian. So Ukrainization can not be treated as inline method “DeCossackisation” but also same way as other actions to reformat existed before “великодержавный шовинизм” and radical nationalistic movement into new “soviet multinational society”. Taking into account the differences in non-voluntary provided “new soviet Ukrainian language” and existed LittleRussian and Kotlyarevskiy Ukrainian and administrative methods of it implementation such practice was also assumed as “regime repression”. Quite common was a difficulty with understanding of documents issued in “new soviet Ukrainian language” even by LittleRussian spoken persons – so it was definitely ununderstandable for other language population. Taking into account the Stalin’s reforms for agriculture and peasants from late 1932 stopping the ukrainization program in Kuban can be treated not as repression but as softening of regime methods. Cossacks was also specially forbidden to serve in RKKA till 1935. Since that time many similar sanctions was lifted and Cossacks culture revive and they return to a position of regime loyalist. Non referenced POV as :” total population in the Kuban region of 3,343,893 of which 1,644.518 (49.2%) stated that they were Ukrainian, and 1,428,587 (42.7%) stated they were Russian”; “and most Ukrainians speaker speak a a Ukrainian dialect which differs only slightly from standard literary Ukrainian”, “Stalin’s answer to Skrypnyk’s demands was series of repressions”; “All Ukrainian toponyms in the Kuban”; “resultant ethnic cleansing of the population, the terrorist tactics of Russification, the Holodomor of 1932-33 and 1946-7 and other tactics used by the Russian government lead to the catastrophic fall in population that associated themselves with Ukrainian ethnicity in the Kuban.”; “Official Russian statistics of 1959”; “speak Ukrainian and sing Ukrainian songs” “In recent times filters have been placed on Internet connects to filter out all sites in Ukrainian or with Ukrainian information“ claims spoil the WP credibility. Jo0doe (talk) 21:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Despite the genocidal tactics employed by the Soviet and Russian governments, the population is well aware of their Western cultural roots, and continues to speak Ukrainian and sing pro-Western Ukrainian songs. Since 1988 active steps to revive Euro-Atlantic Cossack culture have been taken despite some opposition. In recent times filters have been placed on Internet connects to filter out all sites in Ukrainian or with Ukrainian information.
But Ukraine will soon finally join the Western world and NATO. Russians will pay dearly for their terrible genocidal atrocities and anti-Western anti-Ukrainian crimes. Russia will soon fall apart an cease to exist as a county. Eastern part will be absorbed by the USA, Japan and China. Western part will be divided between Ukraine and Poland. Russians will work as slaves and prostitutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.160.171 (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
"continues to speak Ukrainian and sing pro-Western Ukrainian songs" seems to be the only NPOV info in it, bit the rest is so WP:POV that I don't believe it anymore. What the hell are "pro-Western Ukrainian songs" anyhow? "Yulia" by "XS"? Since I doubt they wrote "pro-Western Ukrainian songs" in Soviet time and/or before that... — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I consider this his/her last change to be usefull editor... Besides Belgorod Oblast I don't want parts of Russia to become Ukrainian :))))))))))))) Just kidding :))) — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 13:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
At a recent soccer match, Kuban fans foisted a massive flag written in the Ukrainian language: [1].Faustian (talk) 14:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
The redirect Raspberry Ukraine has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 5 § Raspberry Ukraine until a consensus is reached. asilvering (talk) 17:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)