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Reviewer: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 14:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overview

Hi No Swan So Fine, I'll take this on as part the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives/January 2022. Mujinga (talk) 14:56, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• So I've made some comments below, the article can be a good article but I'm not gonna lie, the prose needs a bit of work. I'll put the article on hold for a week, happy to answer any queries or extend the time needed by mutual agreement. Mujinga (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you so much for such a thorough review - I've made the changes you suggested. The prose is certainly the better for it and the paragraphs are tighter. Great work. No Swan So Fine (talk) 00:34, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hiya nice one the article def reads better now, but would you mind marking what you have and haven't done, because there's several things (eg Stasha/Sasha, Christina,/Cristina, the signature colours question) which haven't been answered
    • Also, on the lead the whole name can be in bold and for "Green was described as the "for tax reasons the legal owner" of her and her husband's estimated wealth of £4.9 billion by The Times in 2005.[1] In 2020 the couple's wealth was estimated at £930 million by the Sunday Times Rich List and at $2.4 billion by The World's Billionaires list published by Forbes in 2021.[2][3]" the info and references can be inserted in the text below. Mujinga (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks again - I've moved that section and fixed the colours and name typos. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • • Great! All done then, except I took the liberty to re-add the info to the lead because I meant to say keep it there but move the text and refs down, sorry for the confusion, hope that works for you. And with that done, this is now a good article. Congrats, Mujinga (talk) 18:12, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Copyvio check

• Nothing to worry about on earwig

Pictures

• no pic of her, shame
• pictures suitable and licenses ok

Infobox

• seems ok, except for question over Cristina below

Lead

• "Christina Stuart "Tina" Green, Lady Green (née Paine, formerly Palos; born August 1949)" oh gosh what a name! i immediately wonder if the Lady Green is in the right place (MOS:LADY doesn't advise) and if "Tina" should follow Christina
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• will return to lead last

• deisgner typo
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "She is a resident of Monaco" suggest moving this out of the discussion of businesses, maybe to the end of the second paragraph
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Two paragraphs is a good size for the lead, I'd suggest bulking out the second one by adding something from the Richard Caring section
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Early life and career

• I think if her common name is Tina Green, best to start off with that, so then "Green was born Cristina Stuart Paine in London, England, in 1949" becomes Tina Green was born Cristina Stuart Paine in London, England, in 1949 plus I'd add in August too.
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm noticed Cristina and Christina, was she born Cristina?
  •  Fixed Shah says Cristina, so have gone with that - several RS sources online say Christina. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • cool Mujinga (talk) 18:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I notice Sasha and Stasha, Sasha seems like a typo
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• This section reads a bit disjointed at the moment but could be pulled together.
  • "Her father was a wine merchant.[4][5] Her father's business led to long periods living abroad and Green spent her childhood in Hong Kong, Japan and Thailand" suggest running those two sentences together
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • suggest moving up "Green and Palos had two children, Stasha (born 1972) and Brett (born 1974).[5] " to follow sentence ending "fashion boutique in Johannesburg"
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The couple later took:" is now heading the second paragraph so suggest "Green and Palos later took"
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "bedside as he died" suggest "bedside when he died"
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • wikilink Lewis's and Owen Owen
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Green was appointed treasurer to the private charitable foundation of Charlene, Princess of Monaco, in 2017." suggest moving this down to the bottom to be with the yacht setence
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 2000 Green bought £25 million of shares in the British retail company Marks & Spencer shortly before it was announced that Philip Green was considering a takeover of the company.[10]" suggest running that together with the setences on wealth to make a paragraph, and make another paragraph out of the family party and monaco stuff
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Taveta and the Arcadia Group

• Again reading a bit disjointed
• "In 2005 Tina Green was the recipient of a £1.2 billion dividend from Arcadia.[9] The dividend was the largest in British corporate history" suggest running those two sentences together
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "The British Home Stores (BHS) group was acquired by Taveta for £200 million in 2000, it was subsequently sold in 2015 for £1, and went into administration in 2016." suggest The British Home Stores (BHS) group was acquired by Taveta for £200 million in 2000. It was subsequently sold in 2015 for £1, and went into administration in 2016."
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "As the largest shareholder of the Arcadia Group, in 2019 Green agreed to put £100 million over three years into the group's two pension schemes in a deal agreed with the Pensions Regulator." - two agreeds in this sentence plus one in the one before, can you rephrase?
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "The group had struggled with several years of declining sales and the economic fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom and had been perceived as having been suffering from underinvestment in comparison to other clothing stores." does not read well, can you rephrase, maybe it helps to break into two sentences?
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

UK Uncut protests

• ok

Green & Mingarelli

• "The company have created " - The company has created
• ^and suggest making one paragraph out of the first two
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship with Richard Caring

• Maybe the title would better be Link to Richard Caring as my first thought was a romantic relationship
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "Silver Angel was decorated by Green's company, Green & Mingarelli in their distinctive tones of white, cream and black" does not jibe well with the previous section's "Green's interior design work is noted for its distinctive use of monochromatic black and white"
  •  Fixed changed to her extensive use of black and white to set up Silver Angel anecdote. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • A fine solution Mujinga (talk) 18:09, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

• The Shah book needs a section heading, which could be Sources
  •  Fixed No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]