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hey i have a question why was ted william called thumper because i am looking for a nickname and i am wearing his number and look up to him as a baseball player so i was just wondering why he was called that? if anyone can help email me at (Redacted)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.97.218 (talk) 22:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
California Birth Records have his first name as Theodore, not Teddy. The 1920 and 1930 census records for San Diego list him as Theodore. Questors 23:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Actually, look at the birth certificate as reproduced in the book THE KID: TED WILLIAMS IN SAN DIEGO, page 224. One can see there are questions about what his original given name was.
The original birth certificate has "Teddy Samuel Williams". At some time "Teddy" was crossed out and replace with "Theodore". But Ted's mother called him "Teddy".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.116.116 (talk) 02:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Question regarding the genealogy of Ted's mother. Will the person who posted the very interesting material on the Spanish roots of the Venzor and Hernandex family please be in touch? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyous! (talk • contribs) 02:28, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I've heard Williams walked about 20% of the time; can somebody confirm? Trekphiler 03:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks like it's slightly over 20%. 2021 Base on Balls divided by some 9730 plate appearances. No Guru 04:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
This article was failed because of insufficient references. joturner 01:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I can add a useful reference book on Ted Williams: The Ted Williams Reader, a series of articles, essays and profiles on or about Ted Williams.
I also think more should be said about Williams's complex relation with the fans, and will try to compose a few sentences about that, complete with a reference.
Andrew Szanton 4/06
The image doesn't work. -Fsotrain09 05:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a great deal more information on his military career/experience? Being a fighter pilot in two significant wars warrants more attention. RedSix 17 May 2006
I removed a line (from the "relationship with media and fans" section) both for lack of citation and for the existence of a separate section on Mr. Williams' military career. Louiebb (talk) 00:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
no mention of ted's brother,or his nephews,and the birth dates of all his children and who he had them with.williams also had some mexican heritage and no mention of his father.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Themetalgod (talk • contribs) 03:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
In response to trekphiler, Bill Nolin articulates Ted's roots extensivly in his book, "The Kid" from San Deigo. for your info, Ted had no "Mexican hearatage", as you refer..His Basque parent's andecendents immigrated from the Navarre reigon of Spain early in the 1800's, living in Chihuahua, Mexico, and moving to the US in the late 1800's. At that time in Mexico, Ted's family, both Venzor and Hernandez, did not integrate with Indians, Mulatos, Mestizos, Latinos, Hispanics, Germans or the French, although, later, some mixed with Creollos (people born in Spain, i.e., Spanish) but they remained mostly Basque.
Also; Ted's brother Danny, died in 1960 of leukemia in San Diego at the age of 39. He had 3 sons. Ted and his first wife, Doris Soule, had a daughter, Bobby-Jo. John-Henry and Claudia were born with Ted's third wife Delores Wettach. Although Ted's grandparents came from Mexico, Ted's family claims their origins as Spanish Basque; though he lovingly refered to them as "the Mexicans". Lineimage 03:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm a family member, and have spoken with many of the remaining Venzors. Though the family came from Mexico, they consider themselves Spanish-Basque, not Mexican in heritage. If you saw them, you'll see many are quite tall, not shorter like many Mexicans. From history that I've read, the Basque were mariners and arrived in the earliest days of the Spanish in Mexico.
The Chumash were a coastal California tribe, that union occured after the family's immigration to the US. A few branches of the family settled in Southern CA, primarly around Santa Barbara. Ted's mother's Salvation Army service placed her in San Diego but the family remained very close knit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.131.149 (talk) 18:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Racism? I'm part of the family, as Mexican as any of them! They are typically tall, not short. We're proud of our Mexican roots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.242.162 (talk) 23:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Alcor may not deny having taken him without a *contract*, but that's not the same thing as doing it against his wishes. To the best of my knowledge, it's fairly clear that Williams got exactly what he wanted. Others may not agree with his wishes, but the article makes it sound like two of his children secretly planned this thing out without his knowledge or consent. I'm not asking you to believe their side of the argument, but I do think it should be presented. 69.21.93.150 13:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC) Konrad
No this is not a good article. Like nearly all baseball biographies I read on here, there are almost no sources and most the the material is personal opinion, even if you personal opinions are based on fact. Mglovesfun 21:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The edit to the Post-death section by NoGuru today does not improve the article, IMHO. With so much text deleted, the remaining text does not make sense. What dispute, what pact, what cryonics decision? Sourcing is a problem, but gutting the section cannot be the solution.71.160.248.79 21:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The section was written in a very POV way and much of the information was followed by citations as if it was supported by the sources when it wasn't. I re-wrote it and added details like the judge's findings which had been left out. --Gloriamarie (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The article is in the American Atheist category but I don't see anything in the article as it stands to suggest that he was in fact an atheist. Pretzelpaws 20:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
His mother was an extremely active evangelist all her life, which turned Ted off the Lord and his work. I have seen no evidence for Ted being an atheist. At worst he was indifferent to religion, but his actions throughout his life prove that his mother's teachings had an impact. Lineimage 03:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
There is the teammate Johnny Pesky quote from Sports Illustrated, "He was an atheist. He didn't believe in religion." 71.160.248.79 19:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Ted Williams hit the game winning home run in the 1941 All Star Game in Detroit off of Claude Passeau. The footage of him skippping around the bases is from that game. He described it as "his greatest thrill in baseball". Williams did hit a home run off of Rip Sewell's Eephus pitch in the 1946 All-Star Game, in the 8th inning.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.182.233 (talk • contribs) 22:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I read Alcor's rebuttal of SI, and at the end there's this: "The best proof that Alcor handles cases responsibly is that in 32 years of Alcor history and detailed case reports, no reports can be found of anyone choosing cryonics with Alcor ever going to reporters or authorities to complain that they were misled by Alcor, or regretted their choice of Alcor." Does anyone else find it unsurprising that no people cryonically frozen by Alcor have complained? I don't, since as far as I know, dead people who have had their heads cut off and members put in liquid nitrogen don't complain much.--Grand Slam 7 02:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
There's a line that I'm not seeing the significance of: "Interestingly, it(the infield shift) is often used against David Ortiz, Jason Giambi, Jim Thome and Travis Hafner."
Why is this interesting in an article about Ted Williams? If it is that interesting, some more elucidation would help. --Don Sowell 21:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
There should be a discussion of the williams shift, it was first designed for him since he refused to hit the ball to the opposite field, and now it is used frequently. I remember seeing a picture of the shift in the hall of fame Williams exhibit. I am pretty sure it was a novel defensive alignment for him specifically. 12.165.172.4 (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2011 (UTC) Sean
I've stumbled across this page and have no idea what the picture of the "9" is about. Should it have a comment or caption or redirection?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomshanka (talk • contribs) 04:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to see some discussion of whether Williams' 1941 average would really have been rounded up to .400. I could add it myself; I simply question whether this is the place for this sort of detail; or on the other hand, whether a separate article would be worthwhile, since it would pretty much only concern Williams.
It is true that it has been widely reported that his next-to-last-day average of .39955 would have been rounded up to .400. However, Major League Baseball has a penchant for simply using extra digits when needed. Williams himself was once a victim of this. In 1949, he and George Kell both hit .343. But they didn't tie for the batting championship; Kell was the one and only champion that year, .3429 to .3427. Similarly, needing 75% of the vote to get into the Hall of Fame, Nellie Fox in 1985 received only 74.8%; they didn't round, and he was kept out. This was Fox's last year of eligibility from the Baseball Writers; he didn't get in until the Veterans Committee voted him in 1997.
Even had Williams been recognized at the time as a .400 hitter--and, for most purposes except whether he actually did hit .400, they probably would have rounded it--he probably no longer would be. Baseball has tightened up some of its recognition of various feats, including eliminating recognition of some feats accomplished long ago. Ty Cobb had one batting championship taken away; Harvey Haddix had his 12-inning perfect game, along with a number of other pitchers' no-hitters, moved to a separate category of close but no cigar. Most likely, Williams would now be recognized as replacing Lefty O'Doul (.3981 in 1929) as the hitter who came closest to .400 without quite making it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr-phil (talk • contribs) 23:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=willite01
Djcbuffum (talk) 02:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone who knows more about Ted Williams should probably repair the second paragraph of Early Life, where it says:
"He turned professional while still in high school, and had offers from the Yankees and the Cardinals, but decided to play basketball with Joe at the local Y. Joe was usually hot from the corners, and played absolutely sintalating defense by waving is plastic leg in front of Ted, while he would try to shoot, giving Williams the hand-eye coordination needed to hit a baseball."— Preceding unsigned comment added by RGarella (talk • contribs) 15:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
This article states, "His mother, May Venzor, was a Salvation Army worker of Basque descent from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico." That suggests that May Venzor was primarily of Basque descent which is not the case. The Venzor's ancestors were originally Basques who emigrated to Mexico, however, they intermarried with Mexicans. May Venzor's mother was full Mexican and her father was Mexican as well as Basque.[1] The Venzors referred to themselves as "Mexicans" and Ted Williams himself referred to that side of his family as "the Mexicans"[2]. Williams also once told Nomar Garciaparra(Mexican-American) that he was also Mexican. So I don't understand why May Venzor's Basque heritage is being emphasized. SamChambers (talk) 10:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Once again, as a family member, I've never felt any effort to downplay our Mexican background in the family. From talking with older family members I've learned that the family came to California with trades and businesses. They didn't live in the Mexican community, classwise they were probably better off. Ted's grandfather was a stone mason; his grandmother's two brothers were ranchers and businessmen. Other arms of the family had dairies, real estate, grocery stores, etc. Some did marry Mexicans and become more Mexican. Others, like Ted's mother did not. If you saw a picture of the assembled family you'd be surprised at the diversity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.131.149 (talk) 18:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Having green/blue eyes doesn't mean you're any less mexican. There are tons of pocket communities that have fair skin/eyes in central mexico. So his family being from california means nothing considering Mexican isn't a race or ethnicity but a nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.199.202 (talk) 22:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 10:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
The article states that he held the liftime OBP record at .551 for 61 years. But Baseball Almanac has him listed as still holding the all-time OBP record at .482
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hiobp1.shtml
Which is correct? Or am I missing someting?
Djcbuffum (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
There is no reason to add his career stats to this wiki article, per WP:NOT#STATS. A link or links to relevant websites that have this information should be used instead. Timneu22 (talk) 10:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm beefin'!! Actors on WIKI have all their movies listed; even one-line parts, awards and nominations are listed. Writers- all their books, manuscripts, and whatever else listed; musicians- all the albums (and all the songs listed therein), Grammy's, Oscars, Tony's et. al.; but one grid line to summarize a great player's career?? What a bunch of hypocrites!! Cut to the "Greatest Hitter of All Time"Dcrasno (talk) 01:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
The article says that he died in 2002. But is he really "dead" if he's going to be revived soon? And how do we format the article once he is revived from cryonic suspension? Please, this is a serious question. I'm interested in cryonics and I'm a huge basketball fan 203.184.2.234 (talk) 03:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Can whoever posted this provide some background or details? I'm curious, as a family member, of the connection.
"Through his Mexican side he is related to Mexican Revolutionary General Pascual Orozco and in turn Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.254.82 (talk) 18:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, I am also a family member and can't seem to verify his Hispanic ancestry beyond Pablo Venzor and Natalia Hernandez. I have them placed around the city of Valle de Allende in Chihuahua, Mexico, but that is also unverifiable. James Scribner (talk) 03:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I've heard Parral as the family origin in Mexico. I believe Natalia's maiden name was Rubio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.246.145 (talk) 21:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Quote: The Tampa Bay Rays home field, Tropicana Field, has installed the Ted Williams Museum (formerly in Hernando, Florida) behind the right field fence. From the Tampa Bay Rays website: "The Ted Williams Museum and Hitters Hall of Fame brings a special element to the Tropicana Field. Fans can view an array of different artifacts and pictures of the 'Greatest hitter that ever lived.' These memorable displays range from Ted Williams' days in the military through his professional playing career. This museum is dedicated to some of the greatest players to ever 'lace 'em up,' including Willie Mays, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, and Sadaharu Oh."
I'm told that Williams included Shoeless Joe Jackson in his hall of fame, scorning Jackson's exclusion by the "official" Hall. WHPratt (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
This statement at the end of the first paragraph is supported by two footnotes. The first footnote is an article that concludes in its last sentence, "Ruth is the best hitter the game has ever produced." With all due respect for Williams and the opinions of his admirers, shouldn't either the statement be revised or a better footnote be found? Or better yet, giving the article a new section to review the issue? --McTeague (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm with McTeague here. The first footnote concludes that Ruth was the best. The second was general, listing Williams as "one of the best..." and Tim K.'s (from ESPN) was as slanted an opinion as I've ever seen. OBP (on-base pct) and SA (slugging avg.) are the best "proof" of a great hitter?? What about BA (batting avg.), HR's Doubles, Triples, RBI's and all the other "real" indicators. If you list Williams by these "real" indicators, he's certainly not the "Greatest Hitter"; the best walker, perhaps. Call Bugs here. How much difference is there between- .344, .342, and .340. In order, those avg.'s (in decimals) represent- Williams, Ruth and Gehrig. The best of even these three? Williams is third on that list. Guys like the Wascally Wabbit don't want the entire grid because then no one can analyze the year by year totals and the trends of a great hitter. Then guys like Bugs can hide behind one grid line and not mention that "The Greatest..." never had 200 hits in a season- not once; only two 190's. Ruth did it three times, and a 199- Stan Musial and Derek Jeter, six times. Gehrig did it eight times, and a season of 198, Pete Rose, ten times and two seasons of 198. And on and on re HIts, Doubles, Triples, RBI's and even HR's. Williams hit .406 on 185 hits and 145 walks. "The Greatest Hitter"??? Don't make me laugh. Like I said "The Greatest Walker of All Time"!! Dcrasno (talk) 02:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
OBP and SA are certainly important but the question is- are those two stats the most important indicators of a great hitter as Tim K. from ESPN says; I don't. However, if You want them, here OBP- Williams,.482/1, Ruth,.469/2, Gehrig,.442/4. SA- Ruth, .690/1, Williams, .634/2, Gehrig, .632/3. How much difference is here to indicate that Williams was so far above Ruth and/or Gehrig? Ruth had more hits, triples, obviously HR's and RBI's and finished @.342 to Williams .344. Gehrig had more hits, doubles, triples, 28 less HR's, many more RBI's and finished @.340 to Williams .344. Williams was certainly a great hitter, especially in his early career but the "Greatest"?? NODcrasno (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
This article especially bits in the "relationship with boston media" section seems to be written in an inappropriate style. (SSJPabs (talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 14:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC).
“Our father was not a religious man. The faith that many people place in god, we place in science and other human endeavors.” — Children of baseball legend Ted Williams, Reuters, July 25, 2002 67.243.7.245 (talk) 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Re an edit I made, changing "surrounded by players...including Tony Gwynn and fellow Red Sox Nomar Garciaparra" to "...including fellow Red Sox player Nomar Garciaparra", later reverted by editor Baseball Bugs: on the one hand this is a very minor point to bother fussing about. On the other hand, that cuts both ways, and I did have legitimate reasons for my edit, so unless I'm offered a good reason why the edition was bad, I'm going to dig my heels in. Here is why I made the change:
1) There is no reason to single out Tony Gwynn over any other player (it was an all-star game; all of the players there were notable).
2) Calling a single person "a Red Sox" feels wrong: the general convention is to drop the plural when referring to players of a team ("a Yankee"; "a Phillie"). "Red Sox player" is a way of avoiding the issue. Note that the only other place in the article where this comes up (in reference to Johnny Pesky), the same formulation "Red Sox player" was already used in this article.
Note that both of the above minor issues were only introduced in the first place as the result of the mistaken assumption that Tony Gwynn was a Red Sox player: the phrase originally read "...including Red Sox Tony Gwynn and Nomar Garciaparra". An editor later fixed this factual mistake, leaving the sentence with the above stylistic infelicities. JudahH (talk) 15:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I thought Mr Red Sox is Johnny Pesky? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.242.162 (talk) 22:51, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
This article mentions Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak, but has no mention of Ted's record of 84 consecutive games reaching base safely, which I consider an even more impressive record. I think reaching base safely via a walk or hbp is vastly underrated as the hitter has no control over whether or not he's pitched to. Can anyone fit the record in somewhere? Dancindazed (talk) 23:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I went ahead and deleted all the 0's everywhere they were improperly used in batting averages such as "ted williams batted 0.400" to change them to ex: .400. the lack of a number in the 10's place before a decimal implies a 0 and is written that way in both math and even more often in baseball. if anyone feels the 0's should stay please discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.222.112 (talk) 05:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Ted Williams Brand has been proposed for a merge into this main article since about a year ago, with attendant tags. I'm not even sure if that article meets notability, but it is quite short, and could be merged in with minimal impact. At the least, a decision on the merge should be made. Absent better notions, I'd merge it and let it persist or not as a section in the main article. ENeville (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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There is mention of Williams in Baseball and Fishing Hall of Fame, being the only athlete in two halls, but the Jim Brown page talks about Brown being in football hall of fame and lacrosee hall of fame. This should be changed. 12.165.172.4 (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC)Sean
Wilt Chamberlain is in two HOFs - Basketball and Volleyball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.52.81.11 (talk) 05:54, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Williams is a "17-time" MLB All-Star (AL) according to Hall of Fame [5] [6]. 1939-42, 1946-51, 1953-60 (17 years).— Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 07:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC) YahwehSaves (talk) 05:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Why are these omitted?--ColonelHenry (talk) 19:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
This article states early on that Williams was an "outstanding fielder." More like an average fielder. Yaz, Fred Lynn, and Dwight Evans were great fielders. Williams has enough accomplishments that there is no need to embellish his fielding (or speed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronCBurke (talk • contribs) 02:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Nothing about Larry Johnson's claims of corpse abuse at Alcor? Seems like this should be mentioned.
NTK (talk) 06:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
The footnote for the statement that Williams died at Citrus in Inverness is a no-go. I have it on good authority that he actually died at Shands Hospital in Gainesville. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:AD12:BCBE:83DD:4285 (talk) 19:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
If you have a source that says as such put it in. Otherwise it's irrelevant as "good authority" from an anonymous IP who didn't even sign his comment isn't proof. Vyselink (talk) 19:57, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Has anybody read Full House, by Stephen Jay Gould? There is a lot of stuff there on the decline of batting averages. Gould is more interested in Joe DiMaggio, but there is lots on Ted Williams. --JHowardGibson (talk) 15:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Ted Williams was so interested in hunting and fishing that he, like Babe Ruth, visited L.L. Bean in Freeport, Maine. In retirement, Williams even made Mr. Bean an offer to buy part of L.L. Bean as a business. This correspondence is reportedly in the possession of the Bean company, according to a documentary on Mr. Bean. Somebody may want to edit the main article in this regard because it is an interesting facet of Ted's retirement years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Someone add that he is the all time leader in BB%. Thanks. BaseballHOFPlayers (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
I would like to add a line in this article re: the Williams reference in the film Inglourious Basterds. I have written up the following, but don't know if it should go in the 'Legacy' section, in a new 'In Popular Culture' section, or if it should be excluded altogether. I'll defer to someone with more experience...
> Williams' reputation as a strong hitter has also garnered recognition in popular culture. In the film Inglourious Basterds (2009), Sargeant Donny Donowitz (who sports a thick Boston accent) invokes Williams' name while beating a Nazi officer with a baseball bat.[1] Drcatherwood (talk) 21:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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The intro calls him a 19-time all-star. Later, it says "first of 16 all star appearances." Which is correct? 73.86.46.50 (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)