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This article currently uses two inline citation styles. Any preferences for standardising it? Sabine's Sunbird talk 08:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interestting that the length is mentioned, but would not the height be more relevant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.42.81.138 (talk) 12:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Tasmanian Native-hen
The Tasmanian Native-hen (Gallinula mortierii) is a flightless rail, one of twelve species of birds endemic to the Australian island of Tasmania, except the southwestern portion. Although flightless, it is capable of running quickly and has been recorded running at speeds up to 30 miles per hour (48 km/h). Fossil records indicate that the Tasmanian Native-hen was found on the Australian mainland until around 4700 years ago. Suggested reasons for its extinction there have included the introduction of the dingo, or an extremely dry period.Photo: Noodle snacks

Nomenclature[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. It is difficult to balance usage in reliable sources against a consistent style, since both concerns are very important. The consensus here, though, seems clear. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Tasmanian NativehenTasmanian Native-hen

FelixWilson (talk) 23:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This change was based on the IOC checklist. However this name is not widely used outside this particular list it rarely appears, and not in any Australian sources of bird taxonomy. Birdlife international uses Tasmanian Native-hen. Birds Australia's official list uses Native-hen, as do all Australian field guides to birds. The research literature referenced in the article uses either native-hen or native hen, none of these sources use nativehen as a single word. FelixWilson (talk) 23:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

FelixWilson (talk) 21:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomenclature, continued (or resurrected with a small difference)[edit]

"Swamphen", "woodhen" and "moorhen", per Steve Pryor's argument above, differ dramatically from "nativehen" in that "native" doesn't describe a type of habitat. "Native" is referring to Tasmania, and "Tasmanian Native" is acting as a compound modifier (or adjective) of (for) "hen". "Swamphen" (etc) describes a hen of the swamp (etc). By that logic, "nativehen" indicates that this is a hen of "the native" and (still following the swamphen etc logic) this bird's full name should be rendered "Tasmaniannativehen", as it's a hen of not just any old native but of Tasmanian native (this is the type of grammar the current standard leads us into). This is one of those cases where an exception to WP's current chosen standard needs to be made, on the grounds of both usage and of grammatical logic.

I therefore propose "Tasmanian Native Hen", per the following sources:

(Regarding the hyphenated form, "Tasmanian Native-hen": grammatically, no hyphen is actually needed, and using one hyphen begs the question "in that case, why not two?" i.e. "Tasmanian-Native-Hen")

--TyrS 02:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"Tasmanian Native Hen"[edit]

Please find below an updated list of citations & a book reference supporting my move request to Tasmanian Native Hen and the use of "Tasmanian native hen" in the article.

--Philologia (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 November 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 05:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Tasmanian nativehenTasmanian Native Hen – 99% of sources use "Tasmanian Native Hen" (please see the post above for five web citations - 2 from Australian universities - & a book reference; also talk page post dated 18 Nov 2011, to which no-one has responded for three years, suggesting that the move should be uncontroversial). Moreover, "nativehen" is not a word (full argument re this at Nov 2011 post). Philologia (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Philologia (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(2) The main WP policy bases for my move proposal are WP:RF (this article should be named & written for general readers, not for ornithology experts who happen to subscribe to the dictates of the IOC) and WP:TITLE, lede, 2nd paragraph (my inserted letters for clarification):
"Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources. [The other] principles [are]: the ideal article title
  • [a] precisely identifies the subject;
  • it is [b] short,
  • [c] natural,
  • [d] distinguishable and
  • [e] recognizable;
  • and [f] resembles titles for similar articles."
"Tasmanian native hen" unequivocally ticks boxes a (precise identification), c (natural) (unlike "Tasmanian nativehen") and f (boxes b, d and e aren't applicable). I don't think that concerns over what might happen with other articles names (box 6, presumably? If arguing that "resemblance" should be interpreted as "orthographically identical per IOC practice") should override the fact that academic and other sources overwhelmingly use "Tasmanian native hen" and that "Tasmanian nativehen" is not used by academic sources [main principle a] and is extremely unnatural (in terms of the grammatical logic).--Philologia (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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spelling within the article[edit]

As the overwhelmingly most common way to render "native hen" is "native hen" (see 8 citations below), and "nativehen" is only used in a few specialist sources, I propose that the article use "native hen" and the first sentence be edited as follows: "The Tasmanian native hen [here citing the 8 citations below] (also Tasmanian native-hen or, in specialist sources, [here citing eBird & IOC] Tasmanian nativehen)..." --Philologia (talk) 13:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...don't bung that stuff in the lede, man... that's what the "nomenclature" section is for. The lede is ideally FREE of references, we definitely don't want half a dozen in there just to make a pedantic point. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:36, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]