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A fact from Stop Cop City appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 January 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Can you please quote verbatim where in the source is mentioned that " the project will increase police brutality in the city"? I have reviewed the cited source and the above sounds more like a conjecture.
Consider replacing "The Atlanta Police Foundation (APF) and others who ..." with "proponents". The cited source does not specifically mention the APF, rather "The other thirty per cent" el.ziade (talkallam) 11:12, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Two environmental organizations, the South River Forest Coalition and the South River Watershed Alliance, have filed a lawsuit against the film studio development." I can't find this passage in the cited source. The New York Times article does however corroborate this passage.
The article definitely leans towards a certain POV. Opposing POVs (residents pro Cop City) is represented. I believe the article represents the events faithfully, and the sources are generally accurately cited (exceptions above).
I changed the wording of this sentence to more accurately reflect the language used by opponents of the facility in the citation source, the source
I replaced "The Atlanta Police Foundation (APF) and others who ..." with "proponents," as suggested.
I shifted citation from cited source to the New Yorker article, as suggested.
I think the article weights POVs similar to how they are weighted in most of the the sources. I feel I have respected Wikipedia's due weight policy, giving attention to the opposing sides of the issue in proportion to their popularity in the city, as reflected by 70% of public comment opposing to the facility in city council, see the source
I have no conflict of interest to disclose.
I invite @Gobonobo:, who seems to also have familiarity with these events based on their Dec 16 edits of the article, to offer their review for the purposes of the DYK nomination.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Comment ― Unless a lot of work is put in to expand the article about the killing of Terán, then yes, it should eventually be merged into the Stop Cop City article. It is of course possible that more will be written about the incident by news media, in which case we could wait a few months and see before merging. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 07:05, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The Stop Cop City was largely an Atlanta-area issue. Public reaction to the death of Manuel Esteban Paez Terán, however, led to many notable protests in several other U.S. cities and it received international media attention. It will be investigated further with more developments. There is precedent for two articles. For example, the Killing of Deona Marie Knajdek took place during the 2021 Uptown Minneapolis unrest, but both have a separate article. Minnemeeples (talk) 19:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the follow up question. There isn't anything wrong with that per se, but Stop Cop City is a long-term, localized protest movement. Terán's death and the reaction to it were a different event, in my opinion. The death will be investigated and have an aftermath that will be easier to cover separately from the much longer duration Stop Cop City occupied protest. We may have to agree to disagree on this, but be assured that I will follow whatever consensus is reached about.
Regarding WP:OTHERSTUFF, an unregistered user first made an "other stuff" argument above as a reason not to have a separate article when they stated, "Other incidents where persons are killed by US police tend to not have their own article and instead are discussed only in the context of the incident page itself". I was merely responding to that by providing an example where there were two articles, that's all.
I would add that it might help to give some time for the articles to develop further. If there just ends up being a lot of duplicative content and it seems like a fork, then merge. I oppose merging them now, but I may support merging later depending on how the event is covered by reliable sources and if it sustains independent notability. Minnemeeples (talk) 20:20, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y'all have it backwards. This belongs in Stop Cop City until it gets too large and requires a WP:CFORK using this "death of" article to write a biography with irrelevant details like how this individual chose to identify is exactly what WP:BLP1E exists to prevent. --FlameRetardant (talk) 16:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, we can leave it in Stop Cop City and if it develops into something requiring it's own article it can be spun out then. I'm glad consensus is developing around common sense. --FlameRetardant (talk) 16:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, and a great way to build an encyclopedia is to not have unnecessary POV content forks about WP:RECENT event of dubious notability. --FlameRetardant (talk) 10:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In Wikipedia terms, bludgeoning is where someone attempts to force their point of view by the sheer volume of comments, such as contradicting every viewpoint that is different from their own. Typically, this means making the same argument over and over, to different people. This can happen on a talk page, deletion discussion, or in any discussion at Wikipedia. It is undesirable and considered a form of disruptive editing.MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE IS REAL EMO!(talk or whatever)12:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
It is not true that about one-third of the Atlanta city budget goes to the police. That fraction is only relevant when referenced specifically to the city's general fund, which is one of the three major funds that comprise the city's budget. While it's true that the New Yorker's article says "budget" rather than "fund," this is an error on their part. A summary of the city's 2023 budget (as proposed at the time) are available from the independent Atlanta Civic Circle organization here: https://atlantaciviccircle.org/2022/05/05/atlanta-budget-explainer/ . 67.188.1.213 (talk) 07:56, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I seriously think that cop city is being built in direct opposition to the all black community attempting to empower themselves economically. They are positioning themselves to keep blacks under their boot. Especially since an all black group has purchased a large body of land in Georgia. I feel in my soul, this is their main objective, don't let us feel progress or comfort in any space we want for our future. It's sickening to me, when there is no cop city near sun down towns nor in places pale people designate for themselves.