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You mean blogs, right? Hcobb (talk) 11:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
"The newly developed Chinese Chengdu J-20 and the Russian Sukhoi PAK FA now providing the current American fifth generation jet fighters with comparable opponents, development of a sixth generation jet fighter may be more urgent for the US military.[3]" Not only is this a poorly worded compound sentence (putting "with" in front would create an acceptable gerund phrase), the referenced article doesn't say that at all. It doesn't mention the PAK FA at all, nor does it say that the US military has any plans to accelerate research on a sixth generation fighter. If anything, it suggests that the plan is continuing unchanged, and that by the time the J-20 is operational, the US will have already outclassed it. 130.76.96.150 (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
So it can reach any part of the earth, or even the outer space... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.85.245.21 (talk) 17:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj90/win90/1win90.htm
So our choices are to either accept the claim that the F-16A was a sixth generation jet fighter, or to mark that source as unreliable and to taint all those places above as unreliable sources. So, which alternative do you'll want to go with? Hcobb (talk) 21:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
http://warnerrobinspatriot.com/bookmark/18014750-New-fighter-production-could-be-casualty-of-defense-drawdowns The nation's ability to develop a "generation six" fighter jet could be the first casualty of defense budget cuts.
192.249.1.144 (talk) 03:34, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
This article is massively centric on U.S. efforts in this area of development, whereas there is work being done elsewhere in the world. Granted, there is more citable material available for U.S. efforts, but the very structure of this article needs significant work. Compare the structure of Fifth-generation jet fighter. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:42, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
This article ought to be semi-protected or locked for a time. The Taiwan section, which I fixed for objectivity and better readability, read like a poorly edited PR release. Also, Taiwan does not have nuclear warheads like the previous edits had indicated. Missiles =/= warheads. For that reason alone, to avoid a Wikipedia article WWIII, this article should be protected/locked, before PRC and ROC spambots do a hundred misinformed or propaganda edits. 129.246.254.12 (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Taiwan is a technologically superior country that has the most advanced computer microchip technology and healthcare system in the world. They have successfully developed and tested nuclear weapons during the 1980s. In fact, if you analyze the data closely, you realize that every single long range missile designed by Taiwan including Hsiungfeng III hypersonic long range missiles, Yun Feng long range nuclear missile and satellite launch vehicle, Tien Ma Sky Horse long range nuclear missile, Hsiungfeng IIE subsonic missiles which is a Taiwanese equivalent of the US Tomahawk missile can carry nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Even the Taiwanese designed and built IDF jet fighter and their stealth warships are designed to carry nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Taiwan is also currently building new advanced submarines that would be able fire nuclear missiles. Taiwan, despite their small geographical size, is a technologically superior and militarily strong country. Additionally Taiwan has built conventional weapons of mass destruction such as the Wan Chien cruise missile cluster bomb which spreads out thousands of small exploding bombs from a high altitude to destroy a large surface area. This is the reason why China has not been able to conquer and invade Taiwan despite their repeated acts of hostility during the past 70 years and repeated refusal of the USA to sell Taiwan jet fighters and advanced weaponry. Obama and Trump have both refused to sell Taiwan F-16 fighter jets in order to appease communist China. Additionally there is no American military presence in Taiwan, the closest American military force is located in Japan so Taiwan only relies on themselves for their self reliant development of weapons since they know the USA is not willing to sell advanced weapons and jet fighters to them. Taiwan is estimated to have constructed at least over 100 nuclear warheads while China has anywhere between 3000 to 6000 nuclear warheads. The Taiwanese know that China has more nukes, so Taiwan’s military protects their country by creating an additional self defense deterrent of both chemical weapons and biological weapons to augment their modest nuclear weapons arsenal that can be carried on all Taiwanese medium range and long range cruise missiles, Taiwan is one of the few handful of advanced countries on planet Earth that maintain state of the art Level IV Biological Weapons research facilities for the defense of their country. Please read this:
1.) Taiwan enhancing biological weapons research
2.) Taiwan nuclear weapons
3.) Taiwan hypersonic nuclear missile
4.) Taiwan upgrading and extending range of their long range nuclear missile to strike China
5.) Taiwan is now the world’s most technologically advanced computer microchip maker
6.) Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (TSMC) dethrones Intel to be world’s most advance computer microchip maker
7.) Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation cements their global dominance as most technologically advanced computer microchip maker in the world
8.) Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation, a company few Americans know dethrones Intel as the most technologically advanced computer microchip maker in the world.
9.) Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation surpasses Samsung and Intel to become the most technologically advanced computer microchip maker in the world
10.) Taiwan is the most technologically advanced computer microchip maker in the world
11.) Taiwan has most advanced medical health care system in the world
12.) Taiwan one of the healthiest countries in the world
13.) What can Taiwan’s healthcare system teach America?
14.) Taiwan medical system ranked the best in the world
15.) Huffington Post Taiwan healthcare system
16.) The Baltimore Sun, USA could learn from Taiwan’s healthcare system
17.) Taiwan can help the world with their medical healthcare knowledge
18.) Taiwan’s medical miracle for international patients
19.) Taiwan’s advanced medical technology gives patients new hope
20.) Taiwan seeks to share their medical technology advancements
21.) An American gets medical care in Taiwan
22.) Taiwan ranked first in the world for best quality of life
23.) Taiwan begins construction of Taiwanese designed submarines
It seems that you haven’t taken the time to read any of the reference sources, multiple reliable reference sources all mention that Taiwan’s missiles are both carrying nuclear weapons and hypersonic, first one mentions Taiwan’s biological weapons development and the other three all mention Taiwan’s missiles are nuclear and hypersonic, please read them:
1.) Taiwan enhancing biological weapons research
2.) Taiwan nuclear weapons
3.) Taiwan hypersonic nuclear missile
4.) Taiwan upgrading and extending range of their long range nuclear missile to strike China
Bro... please stop playing semantic games, the reference sources state very clearly that Taiwan’s missiles are nuclear missiles or missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons. This is no different from the missiles of the USA or Russia where a missile is designed so that they can carry an assortment of different warheads ranging from conventional to biological, chemical or nuclear weapons. Even the American Tomahawk subsonic cruise can carry either a conventional or nuclear warhead depending on mission profile and requirements. The sources all state very clearly that Taiwan has nuclear missiles, but for good faith compromising perhaps we can agree on a common ground by referring to the missiles as “nuclear weapons capable” instead of just nuclear missiles.
No, you’re the confirmed pro-communist Chinese KMT traitor vandal who is constantly plastering pro-communist China POV on Wikipedia and edit warring constantly. This nonsense is over, stop putting pro-communist Chinese propaganda here on Wikipedia!
It appears that a similar (or same) editor is back editing the Taiwan section again, although there are no POV violations. Good work. Just keep an eye out. AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 00:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
The US DoD revealed today that the prototype for NGAD is already flying. https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1305895304995143680
99.74.177.187 (talk) 15:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Procedural close. Merging into parallel discussion as all participants here have commented there. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Sixth generation fighter → Sixth-generation fighter – Correct hyphenation as per MOS:HYPHEN. –CWenger (^ • @) 16:42, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fifth generation fighter which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 22:34, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Not sure its justified, the article cites the T5 Trainer but that isnt a fighter, its an unarmed trainer aircraft based on a modernisation of the 4th generation AIDC F-CK-1 fighter, reusing the same engine and airframe design but introducing composites and replacement avionics for the 30 year old obsolete parts that are no longer in production. There is some speculation that a light fighter could be built by arming the trainer but it would still be a 4.5 gen aircraft. There is no 5th or 6th generation fighter development programme. WatcherZero (talk) 17:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
As of July 2021, Neither any 6th generation fighter program announced by India yet nor name of any future 6th generation fighter anounced as "HAL AMCA MK2/Mark2". So please do not add these information untill officially anounced by Indian authorities. The reality is Indian 5th generation HAL AMCA is still in prototype development process as of 2021. India planed to add some 6th generation technologies in later variant/variants of 5th generation HAL AMCA but Indian official did not claim this will be a 6th generation fighter.Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa (talk) 11:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
User:Fnlayson,User:Ahunt Please help to solve this.Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
@Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa: greetings
We have a clear roadmap. The planning process is already underway for combat systems like optionally manned sixth generation fighter, smart wingman..." -Source (https://www.onmanorama.com/news/india/2020/10/08/indigenisation-is-essential-for-true-strategic-development--iaf-.html)
both of these statements are by the Chief of the Air Staff of IAF, he's acknowledging the existence of 6th generation programme -Echo1Charlie (talk) 14:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
@Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa: Also it's childish to insist that project name has to be acknowledged, these are top secret project in all countries, it has to be noted that even US acknowledged the existence of their first stealth fighter after years of service -Echo1Charlie (talk) 14:52, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Do you have any arguments @Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa:? —Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:01, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Also your hatred is clear by your edit summary starting with "First made a 5th generation fighter..." @Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa:, it doesn't matter you can develop a 6th gen only after developing a 5th gen, eg European and British 6th gen programme. —Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
That's what I want to ask you, " What's wrong with you?" what on earth you expect a country to reveal too much about their top defence project? -Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Also it has to be noted that the development of 6th generation fighter is acknowledged by the IAF COAS, not some HAL or DRDO employ on anonymity! -Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:13, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Even this talk section title shows what drives you @Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa: —Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
User:Echo1Charlie Yamato Bismarck Hood Iowa (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
—Echo1Charlie (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
I respect your feeling and your protest, What should I do? —Echo1Charlie (talk) 16:52, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Hai @WatcherZero: Greetings
here's the reason for its inclusion
We have clear road map. The "planning process is already underway" for combat systems like optionally manned sixth generation technologies- IAF COAS source 1
On future requirements, he (IAF COAS) highlighted efforts to develop an indigenous combat system with sixth generation technologies - source 2
It's NOT about integrating 6th generation technologies on existing platforms, but development of a combat system with 6th generation technologies. —Echo1Charlie (talk) 06:04, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Times of India 23 Jan 2021 "India is working on a 5th-gen fighter, some 6th-gen capabilities will be incorporated in it: IAF Chief" "Our present vision is to incorporate all the latest technologies and sensors in our fifth generation aircraft Bhadauria said" "We started work on fifth-generation aircraft a little late so technologies and sensors contemporary to that period of development will be added into fifth generation fighters" WatcherZero (talk) 08:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Expert's opinion needed, @Fnlayson:, @Ahunt: What do you think? —Echo1Charlie (talk) 08:44, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Air_System#cite_note-22 — Preceding 14:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:133F:DAD8:5850:3309:584B:E035 (talk)
I have no expertise in this field, but "optionally manned" strikes me as very odd. Autopilot might get good enough that it could just take over for the pilot in an emergency or something, but why would anyone bother with the cost of human rating a drone? A pilot in a fighter jet paired with drones makes sense, as jamming can limit the distance from which a drone can be remotely operated. But keeping the human alive/conscious is expensive and incurs a lot of engineering trade-offs. For any given use case I can think of a drone would cost less, be more capable, and take up less space than a fighter jet with an empty cockpit. ツ indolering (talk) 01:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Steelpillow:. what do you mean by "rm lousy pix and crystal balls" here? what was the problem with the first picture? -- Iri1388 (talk) 20:08, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
The bomber is advertised as the “first sixth generation aircraft in the world”, however it is by no means a fighter (as of current info), so I’m not entirely sure what to make of it in regards to this page. Maybe a wait until it actually enters service? Or at the very least, until its first flight. Heyimastopsign (talk) 02:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC) WatcherZero (talk) 04:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Its indeed a bomber not a fighter, inability to break the sound barrier, limited if any air combat ability. WatcherZero (talk) 04:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
If Russia do make a six gen most likely going to be off from the Su-57. ... well a family of Su-57s but there are some claims https://theaviationgeekclub.com/russia-turn-su-57-sixth-generation-fighter/ https://tass.com/defense/973625 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-su-57-fighter-vs-ngad-one-will-actually-be-sixth-generation-207734 47.198.108.186 (talk) 22:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion on this at Talk:Fifth-generation fighter#Development concerns. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)