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Separate this article into 2 parts. "Backwards arab view of prophets" and "logical consistent view of prophethood, with Quranic proof" then let the reader view both views. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.234.40 (talk) 16:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Nabi comes from old semitic world. "reveal". Rasoul means messenger, or someone that delivers a message. Can someone please get rid of the retarded middle age scholars who believe that a messenger is superior to a prophet. There are no more prophets, Muhammed was the seal of the prophets(Quranic verse), but never does the Quran mention no more messenegrs. Anyone can be a messenger, all they have to do is preach the word of God. As far as prophets not being messengers... what kind of crazy stuff is that??? Every prophet is by definition a messenger... ! Can someone please purge this place from wahabbis, salafis, sunnis, shia and all the rest of the middle age scholar worshipping freaks out of this page. And coherently re-write this article truthfully? e
can the person above please be civil and not use ad hominem attacks? the mistake you mention may simply be a translation problem
Tydoni (talk) 04:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
This good article is ruined by this random section. I think it should be removed, regards.
I've deleted the Rashad Kahlifa bits. It was under "Other Possible Prophets" section, but was referred to in the article as "False Prophet according to Islamic Faith".
Have you ever seen that Messenger is always a Prophet? Do you know that Mohammed is prophet and he is Messenger of Allah. (Puntori 16:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC))
Ibn jarir stated that the dwellers of Ar Rass were the people of one of Thamud's villages. Allah sent a prophet to them called Huzlah Ibn Safwan. They denied and killed him, so Allah destroyed them.
why is he not on the list
I found a reference for "the Resolute" and am suggesting another spelling. I'm trying to find out how many messengers there are. Is it three? That seems like an important number. Jonathan Tweet 00:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC) I marked some of these statements as needing citations. I can't readily find a clean, generally accepted definition of rasul and nabi.
Unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam distinguish between a "rasul" (messenger) and a "nabi" (prophet). Both are "divinely inspired" recipients of God's revelation. However, messengers are given a message for a community in book form[citation needed] and, unlike prophets, are assured success by God[citation needed]. While all messengers are prophets, not all prophets are messengers (see also Itmam al-hujjah).[1][2][3]
- ^ John Esposito(2005), Islam: The Straight Path, p.20
- ^ Amin Ahsan Islahi. Tadabbur-i-Qur'an, vol.8, p.273
- ^ Rasul and nabi
Jonathan Tweet 01:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The statement above implies that there is no prophet/messenger distinction in Judaism and Christianity, yet we read somewhere else in the article (Distinction between Prophets and Messengers section):
"According to Uri Rubin, the Qur'an, as in the New Testament, ranks apostles (rasūl) higher than prophets (see 1 Cor 12:28-31; cf. Eph 3:5; 4:11). "
Isn't there a contradiction...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.147.46.242 (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Muhammad was the last Prophet of Allah as stated in the Quran
Whenever 'Isa or Jesus is linked on the article, it links to "Islamic view of Jesus" - yet other prophets are not linked to the same kind of page even though those pages exist, such as "Islamic view of Moses" or "Islamic view of Noah". Should they all correspond, i.e. all should link to their own "Islamic view of -" rather than to just the prophet? Also, the ability of choices, such as in the table for 'Isa and Adam/Eve "Main articles:"?
Modenadude 01:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
The Biblical name of Muhammad is Paraclete? This is from what/where? I have the feeling that there is no common agreement on this point, considering the different religions views of one another.
While it is commonly accepted that there is about 124,000 (according to some 125,000) prophets, I have never heard of 224,000 messengers. As a subject under the Pillars of Faith, Muslims are required to know the 25 Messengers i.e. the list/links of the wiki pages on each the messengers at the end of the article. Also, since it is stated in there that 124,000 came from Hadith Sahih, care should be taken in translating it and the word used. It must be remembered at all times that a nabi (prophet) is not placed under any responsibility to spread their teaching. A rasul (messenger) however is tasked by God to spread whatever he is taught to others in his community, race or in the case of Muhammad - to mankind and the entire universe as evident in (21:107) We sent thee not, but as a Mercy to all Worlds.
I believe this is the standard interpretation of nabi and rasul by Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah. Thus, I think 124,000 messengers is erroneous unless the arabic text of the hadith can be reproduced for verification.
I like to see this chart broken as section, much easier to edit and cleanup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Lewison (talk • contribs) 02:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Greetings. I am integrating my understanding of Christian prophecy with Islam. I have several questions I would like to see included (addressed) in this article.
Firstly, the most famous book of prophecy among Christians, though little understood, is that of "St. John the Divine" (a name of Catholic origin) or "John on Patmos" or "John the apostle Jesus loved" - author of "the Apocalypse of iEsous Cristos" -- an approximation of the Greek "the Revelation of Jesus Christ," A.K.A. Revelation (often miscalled "Revelations.")
Please refer to Revelation 10 [1] for the specific charge "Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings." and specifically in the "Latter days." As an expert of this prophecy I vouch to you that this is specific in chronology, though difficult to discern out of the context of a comprehensive study. I and by general consensus of studied Christians and students of Islam (it is my understanding) see this prophecy is within sight of the present time. Is there a reason, to the expert in the applications of Islam, why this John should not be a messenger of primary import on this table?
Secondly, I conclude with very great certainty of mind and reason, that this charge to prophesy is soon to occur. If it fails to occur -- if there fails to be such a prophet of note as resembles this prophecy perfectly -- then the (Latter days) prophecies themselves must be false. As is often the case between law and practice must occur confliction and psychosis. We must bravely stand up in this to reassure each other -- and this matter is of particular import. Could anyone address authoritatively how this prophecy of prophecy yet to come comports with the claim that Mohammad should be the last prophet and messenger? Since this is a common prophecy between us (and one I am attempting to unify between us) I am particularly concerned about it, and in your response something truly generous will be most appreciated.
I am author of UUNIS.org [2] which is under intensive development off-site. Please consider it.
Sincerely, Xgenei (talk) 07:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Submitter to Truth: I suppose by making this request i am challenging you to consider certain things that are of common interest. Yet I do not claim to know when and how the divisions of faith can be unified. I believe they will, and I think rather soon -- beginning within a handful of years. But I know that the discussion of faith should be far more vital than it is. And this should begin with making clear that the Latter Days prophecy is something that is already dominant in Western history, though remarkably, no one seems to be conscious of it. That is one of the tasks for UUNIS.org. And I am asking you to consider certain facts that I believe also concerns the Muslim family. Some few of these ideas I am asking to have explained authoritatively and documented here.
So however I can support this effort I am willing to do so. Please let me know, or proceed on your own and I will pay attention. Sincerely, Xgenei (talk) 04:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
In the intro, could the word "sharia" be replaced by a more common one, perhaps with a footnote recommending the reading of the sharia article? "Law", "rules"?
TIA, --Jerome Potts 04:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some inconsistancy in the table about whether to use the Arabic or Islamic name. For example, 'Nuh' is referred to as 'Nuh' in the body text, whereas 'Ibrahim' is referred to as 'Abraham' and 'Lut' as 'Lot'.
To me, it would seem more logical to use the Arabic name, but whichever it should be consistent. Ged UK 14:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Article image currently links to the JP Mohammed cartoons? Vandalism? Andersa (talk) 09:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Dear Guys,
Justice as a purpose of messenegers left in the related section. As Quran said in 57:25
لَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنا رُسُلَنا بِالْبَيِّناتِ وَ أَنْزَلْنا مَعَهُمُ الْكِتابَ وَ الْميزانَ لِيَقُومَ النَّاسُ بِالْقِسْطِ وَ أَنْزَلْنَا الْحَديدَ فيهِ بَأْسٌ شَديدٌ وَ مَنافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَ لِيَعْلَمَ اللَّهُ مَنْ يَنْصُرُهُ وَ رُسُلَهُ بِالْغَيْبِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَوِيٌّ عَزيز
Progressive Muslims translation is this:
We have sent Our messengers with proofs, and We sent down with them the Scripture and the balance, that the people may uphold justice. And We sent down the iron, wherein there is great strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for God to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. God is Powerful, Noble.
Please add Justice as a purpose of messengers also. Thanks --Submitter to Truth (talk) 11:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
"Krishna, (also mentioned in some books of Hadith"? Which ones? Шизомби (talk) 00:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Magneticstockbrokingpetdetective —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC).
KRISHNA WAS MENTIONED IN THE HADITH.THE SENTENCE OF THE VERSE WAS: THERE WAS A PROPHET OF IN INDIA,HE WAS DARK IN COMPLEXION AND HIS NAME WAS KAHAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.54.74.75 (talk) 08:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Apart from the evidence of the Quran, there is one reference which is controversial among the commentators. There is a tradition reported from the Holy Prophet (sa) which speaks of an Indian prophet by name. In his words:
There was a prophet of God in India who was dark in colour and his name was Kahan.1
Now anyone acquainted with the history of Indian religions would immediately connect this description to Lord Krishna, who is invariably described in the Hindu literature as being dark of complexion. Also, the title Kanhaya is added to his name Krishna. Kanhaya contains the same consonants K,N,H as does the name Kahan . There is no denying the fact that the Holy Quran makes it incumbent on every Muslim not only to believe in all the prophets, but it also clearly informs us that in every region of the world and in every age, God did raise messengers and prophets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.104.78 (talk) 02:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Your going to have to source that tradition because it is definitely not part of Bukhari or Muslim as far as I know. If you can source it, you can't prove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.113.155 (talk) 05:47, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) also said: "Kanna filhindhi nabiyyun asvadhul lavni ismuhoo Kahina - A Prophet appeared in India. He was black in complexion. His name was Kahina". This saying (Hadith) is found in the book 'Firdowsul Akbar' by Hazrat Thylami. The word Kahina denotes to Sri Krishna who is also called as 'Kanayya' and 'Kannan' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.104.78 (talk) 02:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
is this book"firdowsul akbar" by hazrat thylamia certified hadith book, as we know just ther are six "sihah e sitah" certified hadith books.please increase our knowlege. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashir Shah 39.41.148.233 (talk) 13:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I am currently reading Imam Abu Hanifa's Al Fiqh al-Akbar. In the section regarding belief in the Messengers, he states that Shith (Commentary and translation as 'Seth'), was given 50 scriptures.
I believe an addition should be made, as well as a page on the Islamic view of the Hebrew Prophet Seth. M2k41 (talk) 18:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, Sheeth was a Nabi, so was Yusha bin Noon... They both should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.58.81.176 (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Currently, the introduction reads "While every rasul is a nabi, not every nabi is a rasul."
This is in conflict with the later statement: "Islam regards Jesus as a rasul (and sometimes as a nabi) ". Clearly if every rasul is a nabi, the "sometimes" would not be necessary. Also, the table in section 3 lists several people who are marked as rasuls but not nabi. This conflict needs to be resolved. Ordinary Person (talk) 06:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
How about Shem,Aram,Apollonius of tyana,Balaam and Zulqarnain(which was either Alexander the great or Cyrus the Great) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.52.39.199 (talk) 03:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
as the history also proves "Zulqarnain" was the "Cyrus the great" from iran "as per Quraanic Script" who expanded his kingdom east and west of iran and not the "Alexander the great" who only expanded is kingdom to the east of Maqdonia Greek. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bashir Shah 182.177.5.115 (talk) 14:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Dear friends,
Torah or Torat is not assigned directly in any verse to Moses in Quran. And it is very clear because some parts of Torah was written after the death of Moses by Joshua or other prophets. So Quran confirm Totah as a holy book but never assigned it directly to Moses. The book that assigned directly to Moses is only the scrolls of Moses(Suhuf Mossa) we have a lot of this common misunderstanding in the edits please pay attention.--تسلیم (talk) 09:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC) You are right , in Quran word musa has been occured 136 times and taurah word 18 times, no where is written that musa pbuh alone was given taurat but all the prophets governed with taurat in 5:44. There is a similar word "Torah" in hebrew which means "instructions" and arabic word taurat has meaning " Law". The quranic word taurat doesnot mean a book given to Musa pbuh. At-taurat is an attribute of Al-kitab in Quran. All the prophets in quran have Al=kitab 2:213 and prphets in plural governing with taurat 5:44. --Farrukh38 (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
There appeared to be some bias and subjective portrayal in the Muhammad section. I have rectified it so that it is a lot more impartial.41.86.96.159 (talk) 10:34, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I would like to delete this section, most of it is wrong and there is no point in having this section. The Qu'ran refers to these people and does state what there rank is but the truth is they are all prophets. We cannot just say that one person is a prophet and not a messenger. It just doesn't work like that. Also, the table shows that Muhammad(SAW) is not an Imam. But Muhammad(SAW) has been given the title 'Imaam of the prophets'. And on the Night of Ascent he led all the prophets in prayer. I think this table is confusing people and giving them the wrong information on this subject.
--MFHEagle123 12:32, 29th October 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 12:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC).
I'm not going to suggest deleting it, because that list is actually what I came to the article to find, but I have to point out an error: In the chart, Adam (Adem) is not "checked" as a prophet, but if you click on the 'Islamic view of Adam' article, in the first paragraph it states that he is indeed a prophet of Islam. Since I know not which is correct, I'm not going to make the change myself, but someone better versed in the subject should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skabbonica (talk • contribs) 15:08, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
mOHAMMED ISNT THE MAHDI ... NOR IS HE THE MESSIAH ... THE MAHDI IS A DIFFRENT PERSON FROM MOHAMMED THATS HARAM!20:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)20:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)88.201.1.30 (talk) 20:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
what does this word mean? I assumed it was a misspelling and changed it to practical. if this word was the correct one for the context please make its meaning more clear.
Tydoni (talk) 04:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Muhammad Marmaduke Pikthall was one of the translators of the Qur'an into English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.248.244 (talk) 16:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The word "Nabi" should be referenced in the definition, right in the first sentence of the first paragraph. Also in the lead there are some other words used, but not explained/translated -- Tomdo08 (talk) 14:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
After use of prophets names should for respect and religious reason some form of respect not be used. i.e. after prophet mohammed peace be upon him(pbuh) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.57.249 (talk) 18:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Is it true that the commonly accepted Islamic view is that all prophets are messengers? some seems to have placed for all of them. As far as I remember this wasn't like this maybe like a month ago...--Peaceworld 20:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
source is unreliable and both these are mythological figures so how can they be called prophets buddha can be prophet as he is a historical figure whose teachings brought peace and happiness to billions but how to call krishna and rama as prophets when the hindus keep changine their gods every 500 years.tomorrow they will call shivaji a god no muslim can consider them as prophets.yeah maybe ahmaddis do call krishna a prophet but ahmaddis are not considered muslims and gitas teachings contradict teachings of abrahamic religions there is one verse in gita which says all human beings are uneual and god himself created castes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.130.249 (talk) 12:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I would like to dispute the assertion in the opening paragraph which claims that Jesus 'told of the coming of the final law-bearing prophet and messenger of God, who would be named Muhammad.' Which part of the New Testament would be used by Muslim scholars to support this claim please? Christian Elms (talk) 13:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)Christian Elms
Not all prophets are messengers. All messengers are prophets... The table below charts the twenty-five named Qur'anic prophets. This isn't true: all of those listed are both. If the text intends to say "Not all prophets are necessarily messengers", then it should say that. Oh... or is the suggestion that some unspecified number of unknown and unnamed non-messenger prophets exist? If we know nothing at all about these unknown people, how can we say anything about them?
Also, given that all are (and this is not going to change) the column in the table listing prophethood and messengerhood are pointless.
Also, the "Book of God" bit is an easter egg and should be fixed. All those appear to be sourced to "Qur'an 6:89"; if that is what it means, it should say so William M. Connolley (talk) 12:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
That's how the table used to look like before: 1 Some were messengers and others were not. --Peaceworld 22:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Table Men of God in the Qur'an at Prophets of Islam#Prophets and messengers in Islam has some problems and I think some edit will be helpful. *The table had a column Messiah with single entry qualifying that (Jesus) - I've removed it, coz' Messiah is not a generic aspect of prophets but a special case
Shaad lko and I had some talk in previous section. I think there are other editors who are concerned in this field. » nafSadh did say 06:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for secondary ref. But they are not all sufficient. Sorry! But Qur'an refs are important (and not primary source for this article). Can you plz bring them back! » nafSadh did say 17:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm removing the list of prophet that're uncited and UNRELATED with Islam. Please keep the topic focused... ~ AdvertAdam talk 01:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The Name needs to be changed to "Prophets in Islam"
--Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.5.141.3 (talk) 05:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
i also second that the topic "prophets in islam" should be read as "prophets of world" because every one of them was send for humankind/ bashir shah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.6.149 (talk) 16:29, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for being in edit war between me and Shaad lko. But, I do not understand, why is it important to map biblical name of everything here in this 'Islamic' (this is not an article on comparison between Islam and Bible) article. Even mapping Muhammad with Paraclete is not a widely recognized concept. Mention on the Paraclete article serves the purpose well. All other names in parentheses on respective list are placed simply to refer to popular named of them. » nafSadh did say 05:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
the problem that I see now is that while the Anglicized names look much better, the inter-wiki links to the articles point to the general pages - either they should point to the pages that contain the Islamic view on those Prophets, or they should point to the relevant section within the "main" pages on the Prophets. The reason I would tend to do that is because this page being on the Islamic view on the Prophets would lose some of its purpose if the relevant section is not linked. Or is there a move to merge the Islamic pages of the Prophets with the general Prophet pages, like the possibility you mentioned in the case of Shuayb and Jethro ? Shaad lko (talk) 16:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Ooooooooooookay so I went and slogged through the internet and verified what sources I could.
I'm definitely hoping to reinclude some of the ones I removed as unsourced (I know, for instance, that there's sources for Zarathustra and Krishna somewhere, and should I regain such energy as to find them I'll include them myself.) I'm gonna go do something that isn't sifting through an ocean of PDFs and style guidelines for a while. Peter Deer (talk) 19:53, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
During the discussion over the Paraclete issue, we ended up debating the issue of whether to link the names of the Prophets to their general articles or to the section which represents the respective Islamic view of the Prophets. The discussion was left unresolved in the Paraclete section on this talk page - I think we should wait for more input from others before hastening to change the article. Shaad lko (talk) 02:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I propose that the Prophets and messengers in Islam page should be merged be with this article, the difference between messengers and prophets is more accurately explained in the Distinguishing between prophets and messengers section in this article. Besides, the Prophets and Messengers article has a number of problems including too many quotations, wrong tone and writing style, it is also has only Quranic references which you can see in it's respective article. Raymond Phoenix (talk) 14:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
This article used several ((ref)) templates. This edit removed the corresponding ((note)). Ref/Note wouldn't have worked well in this case anyhow because backlinks aren't resolved well. In this edit I restored the removed note and changed the Ref/Note methodology to use a footnote group instead. I also combined the restored note with another note which had not been removed. I barely know anything about this topic, though, so I'm not sure I got the sense of this right. Please take a look at what I've done and fix anything which needs fixing. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Proposal for removing prefixes "Islamic views on xyz" | ||
I have started a request move to remove the prefixes Attached with the Prophets in Islam to there Names as in Islam. Like Islamic views on Abraham → Ibrahim as it becomes difficult to search the topic. Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Page Thanks. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 19:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC) |
I know nothing of this religion. I parse:
to mean that, although previous (divinely inspired) texts were corrupted, that was OK, because subsequent prophets could correct them. But the Koran can't be corrupt, because there were no prophets after M to correct it. Is that right? Or is this some bod's OR? There's no cite William M. Connolley (talk) 22:56, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. The concern voiced by opposers, that "Islamic Prophets" is misleading due to overlap with other religions, is compelling. --BDD (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Prophets in Islam → Islamic Prophets – As per most of the text, info, and references used in the article. Even the lead and the infoboxes and related templates use "Islamic Prophets" Faizan relisted Hot Stop talk-contribs 07:42, 14 July 2013 (UTC) 11:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Different sects of a religion can have different core beliefs. I see no reason for this removal. --NeilN talk to me 20:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)