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Both of the sergeants are cynical, aren't they? It's just that one cares about human life and the other pretty much doesn't. I think Willem Dafoe's character is cynical about the war, whereas the other guy is cynical about the rights of others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekoh (talk • contribs) 18:21, March 27, 2005
It seems like the word "cynical" is thrown around to often these days. :) It seemed to be a struggle between civilized personal morality and primitive group mentality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.130 (talk • contribs) 17:37, May 30, 2005
What makes you think that Crawford and Big Harold die? Harold is next to Lerner with the other wounded after the ambush and certainly isn't dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Looper5920 (talk • contribs) 13:35, December 9, 2005
Your correct neither of them die, Crawford was shot in the lung and Big harold has his leg blown off but the last we see of them they are being evacuated seemly in a stable condition. Lerner on the other hand seems to be in a more serious condition but is also still alive the last we see of him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.61.72 (talk • contribs) 04:25, March 6, 2007
This Article needs to be cleaned up to meet a higher standard of quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.248.11.18 (talk • contribs) 21:17, August 6, 2005
At the end of the film an US armoured unit rescues Taylor. It is flying a Swastika (though the flag is slightly tangled around the pole). Does anyone know if there is any truth to Americans flying this flag in reality? It is just a commentory on the US and the 3rd Reich? Hobo 04:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I haven't seen this film in a while but I think it's not. It's the Kriegsmarine flag shown, with the Balkan cross on it. --Moebius 19:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Its definately from the Kriegsmarine, which was the German naval force during WWII. Here's the link to the Kriegsmarine page on wiki, & you can see from on the flag it has the 'Swatika'.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine) However the cross on the top-left hand corner is not a 'Balkan Cross' its the 'Iron cross' of the army. Its a military decoration founded in Prussia way before the war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.186.69.111 (talk • contribs) 14:53, December 14, 2009
This article also needs added commentary about themes within the movie. For example, Elias and Barnes representing duality within man, the battle of good and evil. MarlonG 02:25, 24 May 2006
the problem of how a young, educated but inexperienced officer has to assert command over an old, battle hardened soldier, who invariably has the love of all the other men Ryan4314 (talk) 08:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Kaisershatner - like the change. I think it reads better than it used to. --Looper5920 17:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Does Rhah really take narcotics from the corpse at the end of the movie? Looks like he takes cigarettes to me. Lochdale 18:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
In the directors commentary on the Special Edition version of the film either Stone or Dale Dye (can't remember) confirms that Rhah takes Heroin from the dead NVA soldier. This info is also in the Triva section about the film. Apparently they (the NVA) would use the drug to work themselves up before entering battle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.11.80.250 (talk • contribs) 17:11, March 1, 2007
Is the characters section really needed? I think it isn't interesting for anyone who has not seen the movie, and hardly contains any new information for those who have seen it. I think all salvagable material should be integrated into the plot section, and then it should be removed. Thoughts? --Zoz (t) 22:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, I first printed a break down of the characters on the Platoon imdb page and since doing it have had loads of response from people saying it is really helpful. I've cleaned up the character section on here as there were a few inaccuracies. I think its just helpful for people if their not sure who someone is, its a pity I can't post pictures of each character but I guess that'd bring all sorts of copyright issues into play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.11.80.250 (talk • contribs) 21:26, February 28, 2007
I agree with 24.18.201.182 up above. I came here to find out who Johnny Depp was in the film, I didn't even notice him until the end credits (lol one of the drawbacks of everyone wearing green!), was he the translator? Ryan4314 (talk) 08:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Under the Character section Reggie Johnson is linked to the wrong person. The hyperlink leads to a professional boxer instead of the actor. Can anyone link the actor to his correct page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.246.170.231 (talk • contribs) 16:57, February 5, 2007
There is no entry in Wiki for the actor Reggie Johnson and I don't know how to add one. So I've removed the hyperlink on his name, so you won't be directed to the boxer Reggie Johnson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.11.80.250 (talk • contribs) 17:08, March 1, 2007
I've added a few of the missing characters to the cast list Ebenhoch and Huffmeister who were both played by Assistant Technical Directors. I've also deleted the second name someone attributed to Elias (Grodin), as this only appears on the poster of the film and when Stone was quizzed about this he said that the characters name was simply Elias. On top of this when Cpt Harris has been informed of SSG. Barnes unlawful killing he refers to each soldier with there full rank and name, I don't think he'd be using someone's first name (Elias) in a situation as serious as this. --Ctsamados (talk) 22:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I remember a character said about Dafoe's Character: "That guy's been here for three years and he thinks he's Jesus F****** Christ!". Well, he did become Christ two years later! Anyone up for putting this on the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.5.8.157 (talk • contribs) 21:14, September 16, 2006
Please note the tag is not intended as a way to elevate your personal favourite films. "Top" should be used exceedingly sparingly e.g for Charlie Chaplin or Western film. Individual film articles almost never qualify. Individual critical-acclaim, award-wins, box-office can at most amount to High importance. See also Wikipedia:Recentism and WP:OWN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.139.211 (talk • contribs) 13:20, February 7, 2007
You were updating the importance scale with your own POV decision. I was returning it to the status quo, charging you with POV as you have done with others. I don't profess to be certain of a film's importance scale, since I don't pretend to be my own reliable source. Please understand that I am not either in support or opposition of the scales that existed before your changes or even if they were valid, but your changes did not seem any mor valid than the ones previously made. And I reverted the T2 importance scale because I thought EVula was you. I already apologized on the editor's talk page. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 17:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Well... I'm not going to touch the importance scales at the moment, as I'd like to take the approach that would potentially address all of them (the complete removal of the scale). I don't want to waste my energy on potentially irrelevant edits if something can be done on a larger scale (no pun intended). Keep your eye on the WikiProject Films talk page -- while I didn't agree with your initial edits, your input on trying to establish the objective nature of these film articles would be appreciated. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 18:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
This is from Shakespeare Henry IV, where Falstaff has stabbed himself in the thigh to feign death. When he is resurrected in front of the prince he says "Come friend John, Let us to the highest ground, to see what friends are living, who are dead." I think this is a scene very appropriate to the 1960s where so many rumors of death and not death, such as the rumors about McCartney.
Also, when the commander calls in "all remaining ordnance" on his own position, remember that many of those planes were equipped to carry battlefield or "tactical" nuclear weapons. Use of nuclear weapons for defensive purposes was not outlawed by President Trumans executive order. Frizb 03:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I just added a trivia section to this film which includes the statement "Johnny Depp's portrayal of Gator Lerner was considered so amazing by Oliver Stone, that most of rising star Depp's scenes were deleted because it was felt that they "upstaged" Charlie Sheen." Please do not delete this because you are a huge Charlie Sheen fan and don't want anything shown that mocks him. It was a fact and not put on this page to make Charlie Sheen look bad, it was just put in because its interesting. DurotarLord 23:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm confused as to your point here. Either way, it doesn't seem neuteral.--Hammerandclaw (talk) 22:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The actor who plays Junior Martin has his named linked to the Wiki listing for a boxer named Reggie Johnson. Is this the same person? On the boxer's Wiki page, there's no mention of an acting career. Anthony71 15:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the hyper link to Reggie Johnson the boxer, who is someone else. If anyone knows how to create a new entry for Reggie Johnson the actor please do and re-instate the hyper link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.61.72 (talk • contribs) 04:19, March 6, 2007
Hi:
Maybe someone who has read the novel can comment, but I read elsewhere that the film bears a resemblance to the novel 'Go Tell the Spartans,' which was made into a film, with some alterations to the plot. I've no idea if this is true or not, but am just passing the remark along. AG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.183.92 (talk • contribs) 21:47, May 17, 2007
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How the heck did such a bloated character list get in here? It's longer than the article!! I say we cut most of it out & just list the major players. Not to mention that most of it reads like OR. Tommyt 16:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Good to see you again Tommt. Do you like the current character list?--Hammerandclaw (talk) 22:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The first casualty of war is innocence.
Should it be mentioned that this tagline looks (or even be a twist on) Aeschylus: In war, truth is the first casualty.? Mallerd 16:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Maybe some of this was written by people who have read the original screenplay or a novelization, but some of the details and 'facts' are not supported by the film. A few examples: Elias is referred to as "Sgt. Elias" throughout the film, even by his Captain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.253.4.21 (talk) 19:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Taylor does not kill Barnes with an AK-47. At the moment, I don't know remember what the name of the gun is(it's basically the Russian version of the BAR), but I do know it's not an AK-4771.145.140.14 (talk) 20:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
This section needs sorting, It's longer thatn the plot, is of little use to anyone! Some of the information presented, such as Gardner buying paraphanallia (right spelling?) isn't even mentioned in the film.--Hammerandclaw (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The video game article is a stub and should be merged into the appropriate section in the film article. --Nreive (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC) Why do most films depict white Southerners as violent rednecks who do nothing except drink beer ,listen to country music and use bad grammarjeanne (talk) 17:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)?I'm referring to the character of Bunny-who by the way happens to be my favourite character.But couldn't Stone have shown him to be less stereotypical or else had Bunny speak with a standard US accent?
I tried to edit some things, add some "references needed" tags and cleanup a bit, but the source article is really really bad, poorly organized, terribly written, and doesn't cite its sources. Too much work for me :-) 200.89.148.92 (talk) 06:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
There were more platoon members alive at the end than just the one's mentioned. What about Big Harold, Sergeant Warren, Crawford, Tony, Tex, Ebenhoch, Huffmeister, and possibly Gator?68.112.145.172 (talk) 01:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, why did we get rid of so much of the character list? It is very hard to tell who is who in this movie and it would be very helpful for many people. I strongly suggest bringing it back. Even the minor characters deserve mention. 68.112.145.172 (talk) 22:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
There are a lot of important actors in the film. Some, like Forest W. and Johhny Depp had very minor roles, and probably aren't worth including in the plot, at least from a plot perspective. It is tempting to throw them in, though...we would just end up with a very long plot summary. JohnnyCalifornia 12:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I wrote part of that character list which was dismissed as fan boy nonsense even though the parts I wrote only stated very basic facts, so people can establish different people in the film. I can re-add it again if you wish but this time the whole of it can be in a basic facts format? --Ctsamados (talk) 22:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey people. I just did a major re-write of the plot. I hope you find it to be a big improvement. At least this one is factually accurate. It's still not perfect- It could probably use copy-editing, wikifying, and some general editing. But, it's a good start. I'd really like to see this article get FA status some day, so lets get crackin' JohnnyCalifornia 12:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, ok, ok...I made some changes: Cut the length down to 825 words, deleted some of the adjectives and descriptions that didn't seem neutral, wikified a little bit, and made some other film-specific formatting. It's still not perfect, but we need a place to collaborate on it, so here it is. I feel that 825 words is acceptable according to the guidelines on the Wikiproject Films page, at least acceptable enough that we can add it back and invite other editors to contribute. Of course, feel free to make any changes you think are necessary, and then please add it back to the main page, as per our discussion above:
“ | Chris Taylor (Charlie Sheen) is a young, well-to-do American who has abandoned college for combat duty in Vietnam. The year is 1967. Upon arrival, he sees dead soldiers being loaded into his plane in body bags. Shocked, he is teased by passing veterans. The scene cuts to an ariel view of the dense jungle canopy. Taylor, along with several other replacements, has been assigned to Bravo Company, 25th Infantry, "somewhere near the Cambodian border." Taylor writes frequently to his grandmother. Worn down by the exhausting work and poor living conditions, he explains his loss of enthusiasm for the war and newfound admiration for the more experienced "grunts," despite the fact that they are reluctant to extend their friendship.
One night, his sleeping unit is set upon by a squad of North Vietnamese Army soldiers. Despite having successfully passed the watch-duty to a more experienced soldier (Junior), who subsequently fell asleep, Taylor is blamed for the resulting casualties. In the end, one soldier is killed and another maimed. The platoon's most seasoned sergeants bicker, and the sensitive Sergeant Elias (Willem Dafoe) strongly contrasts the brutally hard Staff Sergeant Barnes (Tom Berenger). As Barnes orders a screaming soldier to "take the pain," Taylor discovers a wound to his own neck, one that he mistakenly assumes to be mortal, and accepts his death in a morphene-fueled bout of drowsy confidence. Taylor returns from the hospital and soon gains social acceptance amongst a tight-knit group of soldiers that talks, dances, and consumes drugs freely in an underground clubhouse. Next door, more conservative members of the unit drink beer and play cards. As time goes on, Taylor becomes an increasingly seasoned "grunt," and no longer stands out amongst the others. On patrol one day, a private named Manny goes missing. After a search, his mutilated body is found tied to a post beside a nearby river. The platoon soon reaches a nearby village, where a food and weapons cache is discovered. Despite the villager's insistence, Barnes believes they are aiding nearby Viet Cong soldiers. Furious, Barnes shoots a screaming elderly woman in the head. Meanwhile, the rest of the soldiers explore the village. In one house, Taylor discovers a disabled boy and his mother hiding in a ditch beneath the floor. Frustrated, Taylor harasses and taunts the boy, and Bunny (Kevin Dillon), in a fit of rage, beats the boy to death in front of the traumatized mother. Outside, Sergeant Elias, who seems to have arrived behind the others, is furious with Barnes, and the two get into a fistfight. Lieutenant Wolfe (Mark Moses) eventually ends the fight, and orders the men to torch the village. Upon returning to base, Elias reports Barnes' actions to Captain Harris (Captain Dale Dye), who cannot afford to remove him due to a lack of personnel. On their next patrol the platoon is ambushed and becomes pinned down in a firefight. Lieutenant Wolfe mistakenly calls in artillery fire on his own men. Elias, with Taylor and two other soldiers, leave the others to intercept flanking enemy troops. Barnes orders the rest of the platoon to fall back, and while they retreat, goes back into the jungle to look for Elias’ group. After finding and sending the others back, Barnes and Elias meet, startling each other. Elias lowers his weapon with a smile. Barnes does not- He fires three rounds into Elias' chest, and leaves him for dead. Barnes returns to the helicopter, telling Taylor and the others that Elias is dead. Flying away, they are shocked as a severely wounded Elias emerges from the jungle, running from a large group of NVA soldiers. As the helicopter circles overhead, Alias drops to his knees and reaches towards the sky before he is finally brought down. Back at the base, Taylor enthusiastically attempts to rouse the others to kill Barnes in retaliation, but not before a drunken Barnes stumbles in and confronts the "potheads." The platoon is later sent back to the ambush area in order to build and maintain heavy defensive positions against what many fear will be a fight to the death. That night a large-scale attack occurs, and the defensive lines are quickly broken. During the chaos, Barnes and Taylor come face-to-face, and as Barnes is about to kill Taylor with a shovel, the two are knocked unconscious by a napalm attack, which Captain Harris dropped on his own troupes as a last resort against the attack. In the morning a battered Taylor finds Barnes, who is also heavily wounded. Taylor trains a rifle on Barnes, who dares him to pull the trigger. Taylor shoots Barnes three times in the chest, killing him. He then collapses and awaits medical attention. As he is loaded onto the chopper, Taylor is reminded that because he has now been wounded twice, he can finally go home. As the helicopter flies away, he begins to weep as he stares down at the destruction. |
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Hi, that's much cleaner to my eyes. I have some suggestions for changes. The strike outs are what I believe should be removed from the text, the italics are what I have added in. This would reduce the number of words to 674:
“ | Chris Taylor (Charlie Sheen) is a young, One night while on patrol, his sleeping unit is set upon by a squad of North Vietnamese Army soldiers. One soldier is killed and another maimed. Despite having Taylor returns from the hospital and Upon returning to base, Elias reports Barnes' actions to Captain Harris ([[
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I believe this eliminates several redundancies and details which does not add to an understanding of the plot (though an understanding of the characters' emotions is a different matter, and one which would not generally be included in the plot section). If you want to see how it reads without all the strike outs and italics, take a look here. I'll incorporate this into the article for now, but feel free to point out where it might be lacking. Steve T • C 09:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is Johnny Depp's name the very first name mentioned on the page? He doesnt even get a big role. The only time you see him is when he is carrying that kid out of the village. Kylee20051 (talk) 18:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree that Depp's name should be removed from the first line of this page. Depp is a big star now, yes, but surely anyone who has actually seen this film would agree that his is a very minor character. Forrest Whitaker has more lines than Depp, he's won an Oscar for Best Actor, where's his name? I'm not saying that Whitaker should be mentioned in the opening line, but certainly before Depp is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.206.183 (talk) 16:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I see we call Ivan Kane's character Tony Hoyt. However, he is never called Hoyt in the movie. He is called Tony only once by Elias, never Hoyt. He also wrote some stuff in his helmet cover about his "italian ass". I don't think Hoyt is a italian name.--Ace Oliveira (talk) 20:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)