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In the article concerning "Oxygen Bars" there is a statment that the flavored water used to scent the oxygen CAN damage the lungs and cause inflammation etc. Unfortunately this is not correct. It has NOT yet been proven in any way shape or form that the scented water causes any ailments to the lung or any where in the body for that matter. If it did, or if the writer has evidence of this, I am sure that the FDA would loved to be informed.
As it stands now, it is only a theory pushed by opponents of this type of 'therapy'. While I myself am not a huge fan of Oxygen Bars - stating without proof that the scents can cause lung ailments is bad science and faith. Most complainants are unfounded - such as too much oxygen will be inhaled or that the flavored water causes lung problems. In the type of atomosphere these things are in, it is highly unlikely - and even the FDA conceeds this - that too much oxygen will be inhaled. They have really not stated a lot about the use of scents except that perhaps further studies are needed. And of course, the scents aren't even mandatory - many use them just for further relaxation or for 'proof' that they truely are getting oxygen and are not merely being taken for a ride.
It's rather ironic that Oxygen bars in nightclubs claim that their practices are "healthy". After all, if one were truly concerned about health, one wouldn't go to a nightclub. With the noise pollution, air pollution (smoke), and tons of alcohol consumed (although that's a pesonal choice) claiming health benefits as a reason to go to an oxygen bar is silly. Oh yes, and not to forget that staying out late at night is not particularly a healthy habit for the body or mind.
This version of the article reads too much like an advert, but may contain some relevant and useful information. violet/riga (t) 22:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
into this article because they are both very small and closely related.
"oxygen is a strong oxidizing agent" made me laugh
probably a comparison to nitrox diving would be a good Idea. --maayan (talk) 15:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Some individuals, however, experience little to no effect from the extra oxygen.[citation needed] The most popular flavours of oxygen are strawberry and chocolate.[citation needed] The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not regulate the practice of adding scents, which can lead to inflammation of the lungs and pneumonia, or inhaling bacteria and other pathogens.[citation needed] Some companies have also been known to sell "20th century air".[citation needed] TrevorLSciAct 04:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Surely the article should say a lot more about oxygen bars (or whatever they are called there) in Japan, which as I understand it are rather older than the 1990s and are not associated with nightclubs; they are used during the day and are more for people wanting respite from the pollution in Tokyo. Ben Finn 13:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC) second --maayan (talk) 15:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The section about 7-Eleven and the website that sells canned air in the US is similar to an advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybodyhurts01 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the tag could probably be removed, the bit about 7-eleven seems relevant enough, though it could probably be changed to convenience stores if anyone thinks it still sounds too much like an ad, and the canned air company thing has been removed, so if unless someone can come up with a decent reason not to, i think i'm gonna remove the tag after a few days, that is if i remember.72.94.196.3 (talk) 04:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
On that one link to that company's site, they say that just 200 years ago, the %02 was at 40% in our atmosphere. Is this factual in any shape or form? It dosnt have a great deal to do with this article, but I could not find anywheres else where it listed what our o2% was since the start of the Common Era. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.249.0.61 (talk) 15:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It seems that all of the external links in this article are adverts. Some added by User:COLIAN. Colian is the name of the company set up to market the oxygen bar in France (see Chaillat, Kate (Apr 15, 2008). "Oxygen bars may cause health risks". Society for Environmental Communications. Retrieved 2008-11-25.).
Looking at WP:ELNO, they breach points 1,4,5 and probably both parts of WP:EL#ADV. I have therefore removed them. I would strongly urge anyone wishing to add external links to read through WP:EL in its entirety and consider whether the information they wish to link could be written into the article. I would hope anyone adding external links to the article would at least discuss them here first and establish a consensus. --RexxS (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Today, the article has been almost completely re-written without a single edit summary or comment here. All criticism and the the references have been removed as well as the wkilinks to asthma, emphysema, Oxygen toxicity, Acute respiratory distress syndrome and Bronchopulmonary dysplasia - all of which give relevant background information with cites. It now reads just like an advert, complete with Question and Answer and trendy bullet-pointed exclamations. Although it was not in good shape before, it is a disgrace to an encyclopedia now - see WP:SOAP. I'm reverting to the article as it was on [27 November]. If User:Oxygeninc and the anon IPs want to advertise Oxygen bars, I'd suggest they get their own website. If they are interested in improving this article, I'd suggest they discuss it here. To start off, I'll offer this: for each reliable citation they find to support the material they insert, I'll find a reliable citation for a piece of criticism. That way the article gets improved and WP:NOV should stand a chance of being met. --RexxS (talk) 21:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
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: Text "pages" ignored (help)Hello all, I’m new to Wikipedia, however I am an expert on the subject Oxygen Bar for about 8 years now. The old article is very biased towards one company and was probably written by them. I play fair and just want the truth about Oxygen bars to be known. There is a lot of incorrect information out there and I’m simply trying to set the record straight. So please teach me what you would like me to do I’m simply trying to get the proper word out on the subject. Not promoting our company or any others at all unlike the article that was there before. A lot of that information was outdated and no longer relevant. Thank for the help ;-)
I have re-instated this section once more. It was previously reinstated by IP 71.139.183.2 on 1 January 2009 with the summary: "Reinstate removed paragraph; all data within it can be corroborated with the Oxygen Toxicity entry." and then re-deleted by IP 71.237.22.104 on 2 January without any reason given.
I have asked twice at User Talk:71.237.22.104 for the IP user to give edit summaries, and done my best on this page to explain to them how they can collaborate with others to improve this article. I would suggest that changes to the article should be discussed here - or at the very least should contain edit summaries that explain the reason for the change. --RexxS (talk) 17:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
No where in the article does it mention what percentage of oxygen is being provided by these businesses. There is some discussion on the health risks, including oxygen toxicity. We can't have a valid discussion on the health risks unless we understand how much oxygen is being delivered and for how long.
The article states that this bars use industrial oxygen concentrators. But it does not mention the type or the concentration levels used. Medical concentrators can get up to about 90%. I don't know what these “industrial concentrators” do but I think that would be interesting information to be incorporated into the article.
The limiting factor is the delivery system. The article references the use of Nasal Cannula. It would be helpful for information about the flow rates of Nasal Cannula be added to the article. Nasal Cannula can deliver gas at 1-6 litres per minute. Delivery at 6 LPM can be uncomfortable so I imagine the flow rate in the bars is about 2-3 LPM. Nasal Cannula flow rates above 4 LPM can make talking difficult. If someone can get the actual flow rate that would be important for the reader to know also.
Nasal Cannula can deliver between 20 and 40% oxygen to the user based on the purity of the supply. With medical oxygen being 100% (practically), this directly translates to 20-40% oxygen to the user. However if the industrial concentrator only concentrates to 75% oxygen (with 25% other gases) than a Nasal Cannula delivers less oxygen. This is one of the reasons people think that Oxygen Bars are a rip off. Using a Crappy concentrator can give the customer no more oxygen then they can normally get for free.
The health concerns listed in the article are incomplete and list health issues that are unrealistic. Oxygen Toxicity and the condition known as Atelectasis (shrinking of the Alveoli) are serious health issues but one very unlikely to be run across in an oxygen bar. The customer would have to breath high levels of oxygen (higher than a Nasal Cannula can deliver) for long periods of time (many many hours) before these two conditions will start to appear. Oxygen Toxicity and Atelectasis are normally found in hospitals where patients are undergoing long term medical Oxygen Therapy.
One health risk that was not listed in the article needs to be listed. Customers suffering from COPD should NOT go to Oxygen Bars and use the oxygen machines. People with long term COPD develop what is called a Hypoxic Drive where, due to their condition, their breathing patterns are governed by the levels of oxygen in the blood and not by the levels of Carbon Dioxide as in non-COPD people. EMS, when responding to COPD calls seldom deliver oxygen over 25% to the patient. And this is done by professionals and the COPD patient is never left alone but is under constant observation. A COPD person walking in to an Oxygen Bar should not suddenly start sniffing higher percentages of oxygen. I feel that the article should cover this instead of Oxygen Toxicity.
I think it is important for the article to have more scientific information in addition to the cultural information. To me, the purpose of the article should be to give the reader all the information they need in order to decide for themselves whether an Oxygen bar is a good thing, a rip-off, a trend, or a health hazard. Throckmorton Guildersleeve (talk) 15:11, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
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ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)". So we have a wikilink and a reference that would verify an addition along the lines you outlined. Why not add that? It would be useful to have a source that illustrated the dangers of respiratory acidosis and we would need a source to verify the 25% FO2 you mention when EMS respond to a COPD call.I am about to revert (for the second time) a number of links made by 208.38.59.163 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), since WP:LINK clearly states:
I can see no justification for linking such commonly understood major geographic features as "Tokyo", "Beijing", "North America", "Canada", "New York", "Florida", etc. - as none of those articles are "particularly relevant to the topic of the article". The link of 1966 is expressly against community consensus (as recently expressed in WP:DATEPOLL). In addition, I believe that in the phrase "Oxygen Bar guests will normally pay $1.00 [[USD]] per minute (or for the UK [[Pound sterling|£]]5 for 10 minutes)", the links to USD and Pound sterling are completely unnecessary, since one or the other of these will be commonly understood by any reader.
I find it distasteful to revert the addition of such inappropriate links for a second time, particularly as I took the time to explain to the IP user why these links should not be made. --RexxS (talk) 23:04, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Oxygen supplements might be the autism treatment of the future.
New insights provided by clinical psychologists active in the field of neurology, indicate that the ailment wich has up till now allways been asociated with genetic defects, might be a physiologic impairment of the main arteries, leading up to the brain. "Ruptured muscles make for a constricted blood flow" argues one clinical psychologist, "and a bottleneck effect may occur as the remainder of the muscles have more weight to carry, thus a bottleneck effect may occur that puts the hemoglobine under pressure and releases all the oxygen when blood flows past the obstructed area releasing the oxygen from the red blood cells." Accoarding to the specialist, the addition of supplement oxygen in autism patients may negate the effects of oxygen deficiëncies, wich include less oxygen for the production of adenosine triphosphate in braincell tissue. "Rigid behaviour patterns can´t stay out," explains the klinical psychologist, as the cells involved oftenly discontinue and disrupt their activities to protect against overheating, "braintissue goes to sleep mode to preserve itself from too much stress".
"Minor usage of oxygen supplements, of say, a few inhalations per our, would be prepherable to the current treatments for ADD wich is low dosage of amphetamine, wich increases the oxygen intake of the cells. Having less oxygen to begin with however, means that the dosage is oftenly increased to maintain the desired effects, leading up to a full blown addiction oftenly seen in the schoolyards of the US and the EU, where rythalin is solld to fellow pupills as a drug.." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ketejan (talk • contribs) 14:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Nowhere in this article does it state what the effects are when using Oxygen in this manner. Does it make you feel anything? Does it make you feel nothing? Why do people do it? etc etc
Yes possible health benefits/consequences are named, but nothing is mentioned as to why people use it recreationally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.0.201 (talk) 18:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
The problem is any effects could just be placebo. The time I tried it for free at a convention, I felt more alert, focused and a sense of clarity. but who knows. could all be in your head. -Tracer9999 (talk) 20:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
(((((Canadian Society of Respiratory Therapists says that "As health professionals, we cannot ethically or morally support providing oxygen therapy to those who do not require it."))))))
these canadian therapists are twisted. they are saying that it is morally right to deny people like you and me a little extra of something that is every living thing's right to have given to us by G*d himself because it is not a matter of life and death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.157.14 (talk) 09:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
an informative and neutral position. A Hard-copy encyclopedia would never insert statements like that into an article, and it does not provide information, but only opinion- as it states "ethically, or morally". 174.101.148.118 (talk) 06:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I've restored the article to the state that it was in prior to this edit by an IP which removed well sourced criticism of oxygen bars and substituted unsourced promotional garbage. Rubbish like "Today, cutting edge researchers believe that even relatively healthy people may have trouble extracting all of the oxygen that they need from the air." should make it obvious that 75.71.48.58 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) had no interest in improving the article and merely wanted to use it to encourage the gullible into these establishments.
I don't think anything vital has been lost as I've found an archived version of the page which became a dead link. With all due respect to Lotje, I don't think that reflinks improved the article with this edit. "|publisher=Books.google.com" ought to be a red flag and should have been spotted before accepting the edit. Please feel free to reinstate the other reference changes if you feel that the article benefits from using cite templates, though. --RexxS (talk) 00:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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I came here after reading https://twitter.com/robertwiblin/status/1215424733455560709?s=20 and checking out the linked study. The section on claimed benefits in the article seems very negative, and the statement that blood is fully saturated at 21% and more oxygen cannot have an effect is directly refuted by that study & it's references. I don't have access to more than the summaries (at least not easily), but their results should probably be incorporated in the article.
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