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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 17:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody know Gaprindashvili's paternym, for inclusion here? Trekphiler 03:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
>> She was awarded the Grandmaster title on the basis of having won the Women's World Championship, under a rule similar to the one that granted the Grandmaster title to the winner of the World Junior Championship event. >>
This is not correct. She was awarded the Grandmaster Title through the regular norm system. However, some discretion was used in her case. The requirements involved achieving certain results in events totalling at least 24 games. She had the results, but was a bit short in overall games. They exercised discretionary powers, and gave her the title anyway, as is done from time to time. I've heard (but can't positively confirm) that Mednis got his title the same way that year.
Here's the way Pal Benko tells it on page 15 of the January 1979 issue of Chess Life & Review:
...Of course [Nona] had earned the "woman grandmaster" title awarded by the International Chess Federation (FIDE), as have some two dozen other women. But she also earned the (men's) international master title, becoming the first woman ever to have done so (Vera Menchik was probably strong enough to have earned this title, but she died in 1943 [sic], long before the modern title system was adopted), and in Buenos Aires in November 1978 FIDE bestowed upon Nona Gaprindashvili the (men's) international grandmaster title. Not only is she the only woman ever to have received this title, she is the only woman ever to have deserved it.
It is regrettable, therefore, that she did not actually earn the title in the regular way: FIDE requires that to earn the grandmaster title a player must achieve certain minimum scores in tournaments consisting of at least twenty-four games in aggregate (the description is highly oversimplified, but you get the idea), and Nona was two or three games short. Yet the FIDE Qualifications Commission voted to give her the title. In my opinion, this historic occasion should not have been allowed to carry even this slight tarnish. 22:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Source: Chess Life & Review, January 1979
-- BurkeDevlin 22:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure. Not in 1978, since Benko's words indicate that Nona was the only female GM at the time. But Chessgames.com's biography of her (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=16894) claims that Chiburdanidze became a GM in 1984. -- BurkeDevlin 17:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, one other thing. I had put [sic] after "1943" in the quote, because this is, apparently a typographical error in the CL&R article. Vera Menchik died in 1944. This is incidental to the bit about Nona's title, but I just thought I'd mention it. -- Burke Devlin
15:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Dennis Monokroussos has called me to task for saying that he reported that Truong and Polgar had posted fake messages from 36 fake individuals to his web blog. Also, he says that the true number was more than 36. 36 was just the number of fake people who posted to his third blog on this subject.
http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/posts/1192490748.shtml
On a related subject, Nona Gaprindashvili was NOT awarded the grandmaster title because of being the woman's world champion. Nona was awarded the Grandmaster Title because of winning Lone Pine 1977. Lone Pine 1977 was the strongest tournament held in the world that year and anybody who had won it would have been awarded the grandmaster title. Being a woman had nothing to do with it.
Back in 1977, the now standard system of awarding the grandmaster title based on at least two GM norms involving at least 24 games was just getting started. I am not sure exactly what year it was introduced but it was about then. Winning a tournament like Lone Pine against a nearly all-grandmaster field was such a spectacular result especially back then when few grandmaster events were played that the winner undoubtedly would have received the GM title.
Sam Sloan 10:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC) (Some irrelevant parts snipped by Peter Ballard 10:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC))
Nona made a GM-norm in Dortmund in 1978. I very clearly remember this was her final norm for the title. The 24-game-rule wasn't in place in those days, it was established later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.174.107.46 (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The 24 game rule was indeed in place in 1978. However plenty of players received the title with 23 (or even 22) games if one of their norms exceeded the requirement by half a point or more. The main difference to today was that the performance level required was 2550. After a glut of title awards in 1978 and 1979, the title norm performance requirement was raised to 2600. With reference to Gaprindashvili, her Lone Pine win would definitely not have earned her a title by itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.33.218.188 (talk) 10:19, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Gaige says (p132) "GM 1980" RayJohnstone (talk) 03:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I removed the In Popular Culture section. It's only entry was The Queen's Gambit. However, not only isn't Gaprindashvili featured, it's only a mention in passing, and to top it off, it's basically an insult. I don't consider it a proper use of "In Popular Culture", where you expect links to works that focus on the article subject. Instead I'll repurpose the text for the main section. CapnZapp (talk) 20:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
There was a discussion of exactly how Gaprindashvili earned the GM title in this talk page, starting in 2007 and finishing in 2013. The outcome was text that says:
citing an explanation by Pal Benko in the January 1979 issue of Chess Life. The "failed verification" templates are there because Benko's explanation and the text explanation do not agree with each other. The discussion in this talk page suggests that the text explanation was not derived from Benko's explanation, but had some other source, and the citation of Benko was somewhat of an afterthought.
I do not think that either explanation can be correct. The Lone Pine tournament was 9 rounds, and the Dortmund tournament was 11, for a total of 20. The difference between 20 games and 24 is greater than one (as given in the text) and greater than "two or three" (as given by Benko). These differences are not a small matter. Notwithstanding the discussion in this talk page, FIDE has been notoriously hard-nosed about making exceptions to its rules for granting titles. (See Frank Anderson (chess player) for example.) And if FIDE had made an exception for Gaprindashvili, considering the general attitude toward women in chess in the 1970's, I would expect serious objections would have been raised.
However, determining exactly how she got the title is not so easy, 42 years on. The primary source would be her title application form; if there were secondary sources, they might be in contemporary chess magazines, most likely not English-language.
I looked at other Wiki articles about Gaprindashvili (Georgian, Russian, German) and found no mention of any irregularity in her title.
I looked around the Web for strong tournaments that Gaprindashvili might have earned additional norms in. Tbilisi 1974 (Goglidze Memorial) was 15 rounds, and Dortmund 1974 was 11 rounds, and Gaprindashvili achieved GM-level results in both, but without the title application at my fingertips, I can't say if either was good for a norm.
I suggest that we altogether eliminate the text explaining about irregularity in Gaprindashvili's title, along with the citation of Benko. We should follow the lead of the other Wiki articles about Gaprindashvili and just say that she was awarded the title in 1978. Since we are English Wiki, it is appropriate to highlight her performance at Lone Pine, and even to mention that it contributed to her GM title. But anything further than that is little better than speculation. Bruce leverett (talk) 21:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
In 1978, Gaprindashvili had a chance to achieve the second norm for the grandmaster title at the Dortmund International tournament. Four grandmasters and four international masters were competing, and she needed a score of 8 for the GM norm. [...]
Gaprindishvili did well in the remainder of the tournament until the last game, which she drew in what was subsequently shown to be a winning position. That gave her 7½ points, sufficient for second place but not enough for the grandmaster norm. [...]
Time was against Gaprindashvili in her search for the elusive second GM norm. Within months, the international federation initiated new and more severe rules for attaining GM norms; they had to be set in events of at least 24 games in aggregate. Nona was two or three games short of the requirements. Nevertheless, she had earned the title of international master and was a women's grandmaster. Since she was caught at the change of rules, and in recognition of her prowess, the international federation, in Buenos Aires in November 1978, awarded Gaprindashvili the title of grandmaster (officially international grandmaster). She was 36 at the time.
WP:NOTNEWS warns against describing every twist and turn in the ongoing lawsuit in the Wikipedia biography of Gaprindashvili:
While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion and Wikipedia is not written in news style. For example, routine news reporting of announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia.
The recent decision by a judge to allow the lawsuit to proceed looks to me like an example of what not to cover. When the lawsuit is over (dismissed, settled, or decided), then it will be time to summarize it. Bruce leverett (talk) 18:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I am posting some corrections to the talk page, rather than making them immediately, to avoid relying on brief edit summaries to describe the problems I will be solving, and to enable the recent editor to reply in a coherent way if desired.
Jennifer Shahade is described as a Grandmaster, but she has the title Woman Grandmaster. Likewise for Rusudan Goletiani. These are two different titles, not different qualifications of the same title. Using one in place of the other is a serious mistake.
To the best of my knowledge, Gaprindashvili's performances at Sandomierz and Dortmund did not earn "half a norm each". Rather, in each tournament, her score was one-half point less than the score that would have been required for a norm. As the saying goes, "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades"; Gaprindashvili came close to norms, but did not get norms or fractions of norms, in either tournament.
In the recent revisions, the article no longer cites a source for Gaprindashvili's performance at Sandomierz, does not cite Kashdan's article for her performance at Lone Pine, and for Dortmund, cites a different, but by no means more authoritative or easier to access, source. I plan to restore the old citations, but would be happy to consider why they were removed or replaced.
Where the article formerly said that Gaprindashvili "tied for first" at Lone Pine, it now says that she "ranked first". This is misleading as there was a tie; and moreover, "ranked" is not customary usage in describing a person's standing in a chess tournament; it is more often used to describe a person's rating relative to those of others. Likewise for Dortmund. For some reason the description of her standing at Sandomierz has been omitted altogether. I will restore the old wording in each case.
The article does not cite a source directly in claiming that Gaprindashvili won the USSR Women's Chess Championship five times. However, that article cites the webite "Rusbase" for all its data, so I suppose that this article should cite that website too. Bruce leverett (talk) 04:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Competing under the Swiss system of nine rounds and forty-eight players, Gaprindashvili finished first in the Lone Pine Tournament in 1977 and second in the Dortmund Tournament in 1978. I was unable to verify the original source; if she did in fact tie, then yes, it should have a source saying so.
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She was one of the contributing players of the USSR team that dominated the Women's Olympiads of the 1980s. She won 25 medals, including eleven team gold medals and nine individual gold medalsis rather close to
She dominated the women's Olympiads of the 1980s. She won as many as 25 medals, including 11 team gold medals and nine individual gold medals.from here, but there is perhaps a case that this is acceptable per WP:LIMITED. (It looks like this was added after your most recent edit.)
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Early life
would often gather at the Gaprindashvili to play- missing word, e.g. "house"?
Because she was the girl of the family, she played goalkeeper during their football games- faithful to the source, but maybe we should rephrase "Because she was the girl of the family" so it doesn't look like this necessarily follows?
World champion and Grandmaster
Women's Candidates Tournament- consider explaing what this is, although you may feel it's already obvious from what follows it in the text.
During her career, Gaprindashvili successfully competed in men's tournaments, winning amongst others the Hastings Challengers tournament in 1963/4- no issues
the Soviet chess player Alla Kushnirand
the Georgian chess player Nana Alexandria, but retaining the word would be fine.
competed in men's tournaments- should this be rephrased to something like "tournaments open to men and women" or "sometimes competed against men"?
three norms totaling 24 gameslooks like it may be missing a bit of detail, but perhaps not.
Later career
Soviet Union (USSR)at the first mention)
She was one of the contributing players of the USSR team that dominated the Women's Olympiads of the 1980s- sourced to a table, but, I think, a fair interpretation of what the table shows.
She won 25 medals, including eleven team gold medals and nine individual gold medals.- not supported by the source cited, as far as I can see. (As mentioned above, it looks like this was added after your most recent edit.) The FIDE source mentioned above could be used.
Gaprindashvili went on to train other young female chess players- Shouldn't "other" be omitted?
the Women's World Senior Championship- consider adding the eligibility criteria, i.e. the age restriction
As of 2022, she has won the championship eight times.- no issues with faithfulness to source. Consider adding in that this includes the 2022 event.
In September 2022, Netflix settled with Gaprindashvili on undisclosed terms- no issues.
Play style and philosophy
style of aggressive and technical play. If not, proably OK, but whilst I have a sense of what "aggressive" play is, I'm not sure about "technical"
Honors and awards
Tbilisi's chess palace is dedicated to GaprindashviliNo issues. Optional: Looks like Chess Palace is the name so could be capitalised, or the full name (Tbilisi Chess Palace and Alpine Club, I think) included. (This would mean moving the later redlink here).
her star was opened near the Chess Palace.reads slightly oddly - is this like a Hollywood Walk of Fame star? (Link to source is dead.)
Infobox and lead
She passed on her titleseems a bit gentle; why not just "lost her title"?
Great work, Thebiguglyalien. Only minor issues to address. Feel free to challenge any of my comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)