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Why is there a D in his surname in English? In the Russian (and he was Russian) it's just METHEP (Metner). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.56.26.1 (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Hrm. On the one hand, fairy-tale is the usual translation at least with Medtner and especially with op 25/2. I do note that Rimsky's Skazka is at least sometimes translated as Legend; I believe Tozer suggests translating the Medtner (and the other works he gave this title, both the Russian Round-Dance and the (two dozen or so? Need to check that worklist) various solo-piano Skazki) as either Folk-Tales, Legends or Ballades (the latter is the Dover edition's choice, I see). (It's true he already calls concerto 3 and the sonata op 27 ballades anyway...)
-- (continuation) In part because (they say, I tend to agree?--) fairy-tale seems to imply certain associations and temperament and these works generally differ from those expectations. Thoughts? Schissel : bowl listen 03:35, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
It gets a bit more complicated. Medtner felt that the best translation of the term, and his own preference, was the German word "Marchen", which has no exact equivalent in English. His wife was the one who suggested "Faerie Tale" for the English publication. Skazka is the singular, btw, and skazki is the plural. As for Medtner's standing in Russia, he was always considered one of the three great composers of the 20th century, ranked alongside Rachmaninov and Scriabin. So the absence of a Russian article is puzzling. -Mhare40
Somewhere in Holt's book there's a passage saying that when in England, Medtner stipulated that the Skazki should always be called "Tales" and not "Legends" or "Fairy Tales". I'll amend the article. Galltywenallt 10:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm now wondering whether the claims made for Tozer and Milne are strictly correct. Google suggests they've both recorded the complete piano sonatas and sundry other works, but I can't find corroboration that all the piano works without exception were recorded by either. Does anybody know for certain? JackofOz 00:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Not sure about Milne: I think he did intend to record all the solo piano works but I heard a rumour that the CRD series had ran into problems. Perhaps this is why he recently recorded all the Fairy Tales on Hyperion. Can't add anything on Tozer except to confirm that there are gaps in his currently available output. I've amended the sentence anyway. BTW I've listed all recordings on CD that I'm aware of on www.medtner.org.uk - please email me if you know of any others. Galltywenallt 11:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
The article currently claims that the Piano Quintet (Op. post.) has never been commercially released. A Google search finds a Naxos recording: http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.553390 CraigMiloRogers 06:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
The Ritchie/Medtner Sonata Vocalise is available on CD on the St-Laurent label.
I believe the article is referring to the recording of the quintet that Medtner himself made in the last year of his life. Mhare40 02:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Correct. A few years ago Testament planned to release it on CD, coupled with a transfer of Medtner's recording of the Piano Concerto no. 1. This has not come to fruition.\
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is a weak B; it has a decent factual basis, but can use more. It also suffers from some structural defects. Read my detailed review on the comments page; questions or comments can be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 21:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Whether Medtner’s music makes inroads into the wider repertoire or remains the territory of a few performers and listeners depends on whether it is true that he sacrificed melodic interest, beauty, and communicativeness (or enough of them) on the altar of complexity, the sonata form, and counterpoint [who is making this claim?]. Nonetheless, it is undeniable that Medtner possessed considerable skill in writing heartfelt melody of rare beauty and an uncanny skill in developing thematic material [this is in opposition to the previous sentence]. Imbued with a restless quality that demands repeated listenings to penetrate [source?], Medtner's music often has a psychologically intense, almost demonic character. The piano works in particular are notoriously difficult to sight-read and require enormous technical and intellectual resources to perform [needs source]. Yet Medtner's best melodies [such as?] speak to the listener on a direct emotional level [source?]. It may be [weasel words] that some of his works are better advocates for him in this respect—his songs and concertos are more directly communicative than the solo piano music, the violin sonatas more extroverted [source?]—but it is also true that his music is now that of a cult composer, at least in reputation and possibly in fact. [Source?]
The above needs to be revised. --Toccata quarta (talk) 11:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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==Composers Project Assessment of Nikolai Medtner: 2008-12-6==
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===Summary=== This article, in spite of its faults, managed to interest me in its subject. However, the writing is of a relatively poor caliber; it appears as if things have been cut and pasted at times arbitrarily. The biography at times wanders; the second and third sentence are notably out of place; they either belong in the lead, or in the Music section. The list of works I'm guessing is incomplete (i.e. listing only notable works); a separate article with the complete list would be good. The detailed discussion of his works is admirable, but better placed in another article (e.g. Music of Nikolai Medtner, or even more elaborate articles about each notable work individually). His music is stylistically reasonably well-described. While it seems clear that he had some financial success as primarily a composer, we do not get a good sense of his popularity or critical reception, and (if he was in fact popular before his death) why it faded afterward, especially in the light of the existence of the Medtner Society. While the article says he taught, there is no indication that he taught anyone notable, or if he taught under the auspices of e.g. an academic institution. The article's formatting also needs some work. The lead is short for an article of this length. The Legacy is best placed before the list of works. The article's references should use a more standardized form, like ((cite book)). It is not necessary to describe in detail what the reference contains, unless the work is itself in some way worthy of note. There are no inline citations, which are not much of an issue given that the prose needs work; however, and editor would do well to add them as they improve the prose, if possible. There are also no images. Perhaps the Medtner Society can be convinced to authorize some images (and maybe even some media samples, if it holds copyrights to recordings) for use here. I give this article a weak B rating; there is much to do. Magic♪piano 21:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC) |
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We don't have an article, but full name apparently Tatiana Alexandrovna Makushina (Татьяна Александровна Макушина) (b.1895 and/or d.1961?). Sources on the net seem to conflict; Russian-domain sources getting increasingly hacked besides, so goes. Schissel | Sound the Note! 04:47, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
(See VIAF 79812209 e.g.) ELSchissel (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
There have been several issues of the composer's recordings of his own music over the years. Melodiya in 2014 started a series (with volume 1 on MELCD1002200) for example. (On that disc can be found the mentioned recording of the Tragica, Op.39 No.5 - 10 minutes, briefer than most other recordings?... - and a number of other works: e.g. the two tales Op.20 complete and other sets excerpted.) Volume 2 of this series contains the 3 piano concertos and the sonate-ballade (see OCLC 903286497.) At least per Worldcat the Melodiya CD series seems to have not proceeded further as of February 2017. An earlier series on Appian Publications & Recordings (APR, Hexham, Northumberland) of the composer's complete solo recordings - his own music and that of others - reached three volumes, starting with a disc of Beethoven Op.57 (and assorted works of Medtner's own : OCLC 912900128), a second disc featuring Medtner's first violin sonata amidst other HMV recordings from 1936 and 1946 (OCLC 44751053), and a 3rd disc of "unpublished" 1947 recordings (not quite true perhaps, since it seems that according to Medtner.org.uk, some of these performances on disc 3 - eg. the selfsame Op.39 No.5 sonata mentioned earlier- were for example already on (rare) LPs from Melodiya (M10-41169).) ...) Medtner.org.uk seems to have a good (maybe not ultra-up-to-date? but good) discography... Schissel | Sound the Note! 03:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
The section about this is unclear. Especially the sentence "Medtner and Anna were married in 1918." Which Medtner? After what has just been said, it should specify whether it means he or his brother, and further explanation would be helpful.--Ericjs (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)