33 wineries in Garden State Wine Association.

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There are 33 wineries in eleven counties, not 17 wineries in 8 counties as previously stated.

http://www.newjerseywines.com/wineries.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodentjk (talk • contribs) 02:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Objection to merge

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I thoroughly object merging this encyclopedic entry about the wine industry of New Jersey into the WP:ADVERT, mega-list Wineries, breweries and distilleries of New Jersey articles. We have encyclopedia articles about every US states (see Missouri wine, Washington wine, Texas wine, Delaware wine, etc) and on Wikipedia we strive to keep these articles focused only on the encyclopedic aspects because Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a wine guide. This new article is pure advertizement and incredibly inappropriate to merge. AgneCheese/Wine 16:59, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed revision

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July 2012 comments

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I envision a format similar to New York wine or California wine with the following sections:

Discussion/suggestions? --ColonelHenry (talk) 17:03, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note to self: Add a link/mention under fruit wines section to Laird & Company even though they are a distillery because it requires fermenting apples into wine that is later distilled. And since the list article is likely to reformatted or deleted and leaving it an orphan. --ColonelHenry (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's pretty much the format the article has now, with some additional sections. I say your proposal is fine, if those sections can be fleshed out to a size that merits separate sections. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Content outline (July 2013)

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Outline for facilitating ongoing revision--ColonelHenry (talk) 15:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Needs

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Infobox: Why I removed it from this article.

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New Jersey
Wine region
Official nameState of New Jersey
TypeU.S. state
Year established1787
Years of wine industry1767-present
CountryUSA
Sub-regionsCentral Delaware Valley AVA, Outer Coastal Plain AVA, Warren Hills AVA
Total area8,729 square miles (22,608 km2)
Size of planted vineyards1,043 acres (422.1 hectares)
No. of vineyards192 (2007)
Grapes producedAurore, Cabernet Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon, Catawba, Cayuga, Chambourcin, Chancellor, Chardonnay, Concord, Fredonia, Gewürztraminer, Horizon, Ives noir, Landot, Lemberger, Marechal Foch, Merlot, Muscat Ottonel, Niagara, Norton, Pinot gris, Pinot noir, Rayon d'Or, Riesling, Rkatziteli, Rumenika, Sangiovese, Sauvignon blanc, Seyval blanc, Syrah, Touriga Nacional, Traminette, Vidal blanc, Vignoles, Villard blanc, Villard noir, Viognier[1]
No. of wineries46 (2013)

On 4 February 2013 (server time 07:51 5 February 2013), I removed the infobox for this article (seen on right). A copy of how the article looked before I removed the infobox can be found here. Note that I am not partisan on the issue of infoboxes...I am neither for nor against them and tend to lean toward using them when appropriate and functional. I do not think an infobox is appropriate for this article, and lay out my reasons here.

  • repeating that the state was founded in 1787 is an event in political history that is largely irrelevant to wine and wineries. In fact, it's technically incorrect, as 1787 is only the date of admission to the union under the Federal Constitution approved by a convention in Annapolis and submitted to the 13 states for ratification beginning in 1787. New Jersey became independent under the state constitution of 1776. Not that it's really important.
  • the infobox says that the "years of wine industry" were 1767-present...which ignores that 1767 was just the date two colonial planters were recognized (they likely planted before 1764), and ignores that the industry was largely a failure and not revived until the 1870s. Prohibition killed the industry again, 1919-1980, and only in the last few years has it experienced real growth. This parameter doesn't cover that nuance at all and implies that we've had a healthy industry for 250 years when it wasn't the case.
  • Type parameter: U.S. State does not equal wine region. AVAs do, but this infobox would be more appropriate on the AVA article.
  • Total area: 8,729 square miles (22,608 km2)...the entire area of the most urban state in the country doesn't give a fair idea of the wine region that the state is not.
  • Grapes produced...there are about 40 varieties listed. This could better be discussed in the article, as the infobox isn't able to fit a discussion of varieties and quantities grown. There's much more Cabernet Franc grown than Fredonia...by orders of multitude...but the infobox gives them equal time and one could take the impression that Fredonia is a popular grape. it's not, and neither are many of the listed "grapes produced". Accuracy implies not giving false impressions.
  • Why is "number of wineries" at the extreme bottom of the infobox? This actually is more important than most of the information above...save acreage and the three AVAs.

As for Wikipedia policy issues regarding Infoboxes, the decision to not place an infobox here is because:

Other considerations:

Please consider this, and try not to put an infobox where one doesn't belong or doesn't improve the article. Thank you. --ColonelHenry (talk) 04:30, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Appellation America (2007). "New Jersey: Appellation Description". Retrieved 14 November 2007.

Just want to say

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Pretty outstanding article. Very impressed with the referencing and amount of work that has gone into this. AgneCheese/Wine 23:09, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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