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According to the Wiki style manual, the lead "It gives the basics in a nutshell" and "a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs". The lead, in this current form is extremely lengthy and covers, in detail, subjects that are again covered in the main body of the article. The lead lacks brevity, and delves into too much detail.
There is just too much information for someone to glean what the article is about, and if it isn't moved down to an "overview" section, then it needs to be slimmed down significantly.
Maxq32 (talk) 20:04, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 3 October 2022. The result of the move review was overturn close. |
The result of the move request was: moved. While "Myth of [the] x" is not forbidden (we have several articles by this title other than articles about works by this name format), we definitely have a prominence of article titles in the "X myth" format. I don't find either format more or less in keeping with NDESC, so that doesn't apply. On the otherhand, "Myth of [the] x" does seem popular as the title of a work, while "X Myth" does not. Odd that. I'm going to pick moving this article as it aligns better with more of the articles we have about myths. Also "the" is avoided only at the start of an article title, not within the title. (Ie. no "The x myth", only "X myth".) UtherSRG (talk) 11:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Myth of the clean Wehrmacht → Clean Wehrmacht myth – More idiomatic WP:NDESC. No change in scope or nature. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:08, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
The result of that discussion was clearly not move, @UtherSRG: what the hell is going on? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 13:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
OK, admin intervention. I moved the article back; there is no consensus to move it, and the close was controversial. UtherSRG, I hope you understand that I am sort of putting a lid on it since leaving this undecided will just cause more heat when we have plenty of light. User:Brigade Piron, if you want to start this all over again, you are welcome to do so, but I think you'll have an uphill struggle that's probably not worth your time. Horse Eye's Back, I get your point, and thank you for opening up the review--but let's not get too personal please. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi Firefangledfeathers, I removed Kramp-Karrenbauer's quote because it doesn't have anything to do with the myth; if anything, it feeds into it by emphasising the Wehrmacht's bravery. Killing civilians isn't brave, so I don't understand why you believe the comment is relevant here. Stara Marusya (talk) 02:31, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
I don't see the need to spend three paragraphs and a whole subheading on repeating the arguments of a single source, especially when it's not one that's become common in the scholarly discourse. Eldomtom2 (talk) 22:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)