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Is the 'list of Portuguese colonies'(located extreme below) needed in Mumbai's page?Its just taking up space. (mahawiki 14:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC))
I am not sure abt what u said?How do we hide it?? (mahawiki 06:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC))
Can I add a link to मुंबई of Marathi wikipedia? mahawiki 21:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is Savai Raja's comments removed?I dont think there's anything offensive in it.There's no need to buy his views,but I am sure those are the depiction of what Maharashtrians think.I strongly suggesr to revert his views as I dont see any violations of Wiki's rules.mahawiki 19:17, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Few users have edited out the 'Name' sub-section of article.The name Mumbai is derived from Mumbadevi and not from any Portuguese name.They have also removed the mentions of 'Marathi influence' on the name of Mumbaimahawiki 16:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
This is the famous and wonderful city for development of tourism, it has a wonderful beach with ideal view of the sea. that attracts people verymuch , a few days back the sea water changes into drinking water as the romur comes most of the people come to the sea and drunk water and tasted it. some of the people take the water home with the pot but later it was explained by the concerning authority that the water is changed due to some deliver of compounds from various organisations, and they advised people to heat the water and drink You can't just say that. courtesy : sathya kumar
It also has very bad infrastructure and a corrupt Municipal corporation.--Johnhardcastle 10:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I have mentioned this before, but I feel that this is an error that needs to be corrected, and deserves to be brought up again. Basically, it is impossible for the Portuguese to have called the place "bom bahia" because that expression is incorrect in Portuguese. This seems to be a folk etymology based on the realisation that "bom" means "good" in Portuguese without paying much attention to the subtleties of grammar. For the time being, I have added a "citation needed" to the statement that the Portuguese coined the name "bom bahia", but I think we need a proper reference based on Portuguese historical documents (and not on the oodles of websites that take their information from Wikipedia). For those who do not understand Portuguese, "bom" does indeed mean "good", but it is the masculine form of the adjective whereas "baia" ("bahia" in old spelling) is a feminine noun (and, as far as I know, always has been). This means that for a Portuguese speaker to name a place "bom bahia" would be similar to an Englishman calling it "the islands very beautifuls". Gelo 11:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Whoever doing secret reverts are requested to give proper explanations. Mrtag 04:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC) 04:28,
Why is it that in the English-language part of Wikipedia we simply accept that the city that is called in Bombay in English is now called Mumbai ? By way of contrast, the article on Sweden's second largest city is called Gothenburg not Göteborg, because this is the normal English-language name for the city. For consistency we should either use the common English names, or the local names, but not a mixture. Or is the policy to use English-language names in Europe, but local names in Asia for some sort of misguided 'ethnic sensitivity' reasons ? --Mark 08:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
As someone who lives in the city, I can assure Wikipedians that the name of the city overwhelmingly predominate in English usage is "Bombay." Mumbai is the city's name in the Marathi language. The object of changing the "official name" of the city was clearly an attempt by Maharastrian populist politicians to appeal to the nationalists among their voter base. As such, it is also considered an attempt to promote divisions among Bombayites, most of whom take pride in the cosmopolitan character of their city. Using the English name is thus often a way of voicing support for Bombay as a multiethnic, cosmopolitan, worldly megalopolis, and rejecting hegemony of any one ethnicity. DG
I believe a section needs to be added on contemporary affairs in Mumbai. The city has undergone unimaginable transformation in the last decade. It is a social and economic trendsetter for the rest of India, and is the most well known city of India across the world. Therefore, a section on some of the positives and negatives from current affairs of Mumbai could well be considered worth adding. Some points are proposed below for discussion, since Wiki is a public domain encyclopedia, and it is best if people concur (or differ) on the talk page itself, before one actually makes any changes to the article itself.
1. Society and Lifestyle The current article does not reflect the current Mumbaikar's mindset. The growth of disposable incomes and wealth, manifesting itself in malls, adlabs, proliferation of restaurants, partying destinations, pubs, large retailers and the general consumer boom. The growth in private owned vehicles (paralleling that of Delhi, Bangalore and other cities), the explosion of media (written in the media section), the growing importance of the fashion industry (so far controlled by Delhi based designers), along with that of the entertainment industry. These are events that are significantly shaping the changing face of Mumbai. While these factors are not unique to Mumbai, Mumbai still is a trendsetter for the rest of India and therefore, deserves a mention.
2. Mumbai Tourism - how the city presents the latest and the best available for global travellers, business and pleasure alike. The availability of hospitality options. How international corporations like McDonalds have become an integral part of the Mumbaikar's lifestyle in the last 5 years or so, and present a closer-to-home lifestyle alternative for the international traveller.
3. The growth of the booming service industry in Mumbai - the BPO and IT-enabled services, banking, finance, life and non-life insurance that have provided jobs for so many, including international employees. Add to that the growth in media, entertainment and hospitality industries mentioned above.
4. How Mumbai is India's American Dream - how one can realize one's teenage dream, which might not always be possible in the rest of India.
5. The melting-pot culture of the city - how Mumbai is a fine example of national integration and tolerance - giving a good cosmopolitan background to the city. (The city has beeen absorbing significant waves of internal displacement from the overcrowded areas of the Gangetic plains - and that has influenced more than just the face of the city - as more and more politicians are drawn from different demographic backgrounds than that prior to 1995.)
And a look at the negatives :
1. A look at India's most popular terrorist destination - At least 15 bombs have hit Mumbai in the period of 2003-2006.
2. A note on this city-of the rich - how unfettered real-estate growth has nearly destroyed traditional living and families in Mumbai. A typical new house in midtown Chicago costs $150,000. The average salary for a white collar worker in America is $60,000. So a house costs 3 times his yearly income. On the other hand, a typical new flat in midtown Mumbai (not suburbs) costs around $135,000 dollars - almost the same as in America. But the average yearly salary for a white collar worker in IT or Finance is $8,000. So a house costs 17 times his yearly income, sending him into a lifelong debt trap, if he needs a house! This is indicative of the growing capitalist greed in Mumbai - a city which is a trendsetter for the rest of India. It also means that the good honest working class must either leave the city or be kicked out.
3. Problems besetting the city - Mumbai suffers from a lack of space for horizontal expansion due to various factors and therefore, fosters a rat race for living within the city limits. This, coupled with overcrowded trains and traffic ridden roads full of transport trucks, auto rickshaws, private vehicles and water tankers - that hinder road transport - is one of the prime drivers of high real estate rates in Mumbai. This overcrowding has not affected real estate prices and transport hassles alone. It has resulted in significant power cuts across the city and its suburbs. It has resulted in water shortages and drainage systems that cannot cope -leading to annual monsoon flooding, and an increase in petty crime. There are few open spaces or green areas left in the suburbs, except where they are sponsored by some large corporation or the other. The huge national park is the last refuge, and is fast being encroached upon by slums.
4. The explosion of illegitimate, dangerously built housing and slum areas. How internally displaced people from across India live 8-10 to a room in squalid conditions, surviving on their micro businesses.. preparing the way for the growth of petty or organised crime in the city.
5. Simmering ethnic and religious tensions in the city - that often surface in angry retorts in the bazaars, trains or buses and in ethnic newspapers.
Artaxerxes07 14:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments: Some of them are valid, so I'll make a brief note on what is good, and what is not so good.
I invite you to go ahead and add the stuff on booming economy, but please WP:CITE credible sources (media reports) while doing so. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Artaxerxes07 02:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
There are far too many images on this page and few are relevent to the section that they are placed in. I am removing. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 14:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Guys, how about starting a new 'picture gallery' section. I have recently shot very high resolution (2MB each) images of mumbai (mostly night images) and want to upload it. Tell me if you all are in for this section.
spacejuncky 05:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Using the Mumbai map, i have created a mumbai specific locator infobox. See it in action at Bandra (Edit infobox). Code was copied from the Indian infobox and i unsuccesfully modified it :P Requesting help of coders to set it straight -- PlaneMad|YakYak 18:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I am wondering where is the list of sister cities of Mumbai? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nirajrm (talk • contribs) 15:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC). --Nirajrm talk ||| sign plz! 15:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Does it have any? It should twin with La Ceiba, SqueakBox 15:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Well La Ceiba doesnt, I see, have a chance as it alrerady has the maximum permitted 6, SqueakBox 04:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Some heavy modifications are performed on this article. Many unnecessary pics are added, please revert this to some acceptable previous version. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mayur.thakare (talk • contribs) 05:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
spacejuncky 05:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
All major cities on Wikipedia have an intro pic illustrating their skyline. Since its one of the world's most populated cities, Mumbai needs one such intro picture as well. It's imperative to have such a pic because a skyline defines a city and also because Mumbai is experiences rapid growth
Below are some other cities that have similar intro pictures Shanghai, new york city, dubai, london, paris, beijing, taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore City, frankfurt....i can go on and on!
Please do not delete the skyline pic — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nikkul (talk • contribs) 19:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
What Nikkul said (on Mumbai's talk page) is not invalid. I don't know why we should not have an intro pic. Maybe not skyline but some landmark that identifies Mumbai, like pic of taj and gateway taken from sea. As far as i know that had been an identity of Mumbai.
spacejuncky 04:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I totally agree with the point of view that a skyline desperately needed. In my view images, in general, in this article need a major overhaul. For example, the images from climate and geography section are redundant and do not provide information proportional to the real state they eat up on the article page. Also the hiranandani complex is in no way a representative of the city's upwardly mobile people. I think a picture from a larger region like peddar-road would better fit here. The adjoining text never talks about the prosperity in the city rather mentions the slums so if we plan to be in line with that, we should get a pic from dharavi slums which, unfortunately, is a better landmark than the hiranandani complex. Even CST can be shown in better glory than the one in present picture. These are some of my thought, if we agree on an agenda regarding picture, we can actively work on it. http://www.answers.com/topic/bombayatnight-gif --Rakov 05:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I have made several reverts to the article. The main reason is that Mumbai is a featured article, one of the best on wikipedia. Mumbai leads other city articles, not the other way around. Please keep the following in mind when making edits:
=Nichalp «Talk»= 16:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
In the fourth sentence of the History section, it is stated that in the 3rd century BCE, the islands were part of an empire ruled by a Buddhist emperor. However, Buddhism did not begin until the 5th century BCE.Joedrennan1 17:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Can an established user please add the following code? It adds an intro picture and conforms to the rules laid down by the administrator nichalp.
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Why is the picture of Samyukta Maharashtra Smarak removed? Please add it back.Maharashtraexpress 07:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I feel that because this article is a featured article, it is limiting us from making it better.
I am totally for an intro pic. I want a picture gallery. I would like this article to look much better. It has so much potential.
Better Images needed under: Economy Transport- CST can be better
-Bus pic
Demographics People and culture- maybe a pic of a mall because A LOT of people go there. Media Sports
Look at Beijing, the article has sooooooooo many pictures. And some dont even relate. In History instead of showing a pic of the Tienanmen Square protests, theyre advertising the tienanmen square and what it looks like today. And im not saying that we should try to emulate them, but I think we should look at them and learn to make our city be more user friendly on wikipedia (more appealing to the eye)
Why cant we add more pictures and add better pictures? The article on Mumbai makes it look very hackneyed and old and unrevised for a long time...and i feel that a lot of people agree with me that we need to make the Mumbai page look better. Unfortunately, a few internet...nazis...are limiting this because its a featured article.
I would have taken some pics myself, but I live in the US, so its quite a drive to get to Bombay
Please submit your images here:
Nikkul 14:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)Nikkul
I disagree with your original statement that is you are restrained from making it better. What is a featured article? has clear guidelines as to how such articles are written. To gain featured article status, an article must conform to the mentioned criteria, before gaining community support in WP:FAC. Standards are high, and getting one article featured is not easy. I don't see any reason to compare Mumbai with Beijing, this is a featured article, Beijing is certainly not. This article conforms to a standard set of publishing rules, Beijing does not. In other words, it is a baseless comparison. There is nothing stopping you from adding better, more appropriate pictures, but what is appropriate is given in a section above. Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, not an image gallery. And please refrain from calling people "nazis", it's poor taste. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
In an effort to attain featured status, I feel we are loosing out. Still lets look at Vancouver, a city which attained featured status on Feb 8. Vancouver has an intro pic, which Mumbai does not Vancouver has 3 Geography pictures It has 4 Demographic pictures 2 Economy pictures, both which do not relate to the economy. 2 Government pictures A whole Architecture and Cityscape section which Mumbai could do well with and 2 pics in that And 2 Sports pictures Obviously, we can do soo much to make it more appealing. I can't change anything, as I am not an established user, but obviously, we can add more pics and still attain featured status. User:nikkul 21:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I also noticed that San Francisco, California is a featured article and has EIGHT pictures in the History and Geography column alone! Johannesburg has 5 pics under transport. Both are featured articles
Obviously, its time to look at Wikipedia:Featured articles and realize that going tight on the pics is not gonna get us featured status. User:nikkul
So as per my observations, having only one or two images per section is not a requirement to gain featured status, but rather a preference set by the administrators and editors of the wikiproject indian cities work group. Nikkul 16:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I dont see why it would be such a bad idea if we were to incorporate a picture that a city is known for in the infobox. The wikipedia city infobox makes space for this as does almost every other wikipedia city page. An infobox without a defining image makes the city page look dull. since wikipedia recommends this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_City) and since most other cities have this, then why cant we? I also feel that most people are for this. Nikkul 00:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
So it can be done? how about incorporating it into the info box? and what about cities without skylines? I think we should have an image that defines the city, sometimes this is not the skyline. also, if we incorporate the image into the info box, the map wont be pushed down as much. - nikkul
And who's going to be the judge of that? look, this is not your personal myspace, its an encyclopedia. Additionally, this is wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Its not run by one person. So you cant just keep deleting stuff that others try to add. If you scroll up and care to read wut others have said, you'll find that you are the only one who opposes an intro pic(I, spacejunky, rakov, etc are for it). You decided the rules about revisons, and I followed them, but we are not here to satisfy your tastes about which image is too hazy for you and which is not. I have a cybershot, so its not my camera, its the city. Like I said before, this is an encyclopedia, which means that articles relating to cities should stick to the infobox given by WIkipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_City And if you read through the lines, you will find that an intro pic that defines the city (like a skyline) is suggested. And if you do not like the image, then please help make Wikipedia better by adding a better image yourself, but do not detract from it. And if the Wikiproject India editors have come to the decision years ago that a intro pic was not needed, its certainly time to vote again, because of the people who have commented here, the ratio is 3 to 1. I do not see any reason why an intro image should be deleted, even after it has passed the rules that you, yourself made up. Everyother city has an intro image...even baghdad and kabul, and remember, our bombs took out their skyline. And therefore, mumbai should as well. Please use your creativity on facebook, xanga, or myspace. This, unfortunately, is not your myspace, its the free encyclopedia.Nikkul 01:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
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Calm down Nikkul. Please do not claim to say that I have *opposed* a skyline picture. I have never opposed having the picture. I've clearly mentioned the guidelines that govern adding a skyline image to the page. Please do read what I mention above. The image in the infobox should be a skyline image (Please see the meaning of skyline), and read the statement above on the technical reason on why a panoramic image is chosen, so that the map is not pushed down too low. I also don't believe that you need to be so condescending and lecture me on what wikipedia is. If new members to wikipedia aim to just do as they please the encylopedia will be a pure example of anarchy. And it's quite clear that you are acting unlaterally, without discussing the proposals in the appropriate forums. Some of the images you seek to place have been taken out by me, and as author of those images, I don't think that they even merit a page on a featured article. So, please quit the histrionics. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Nichalp, if you scroll up, u might find a section that says "Intro Pic desperately needed" where the concept was discussed. I have even been so kind as to paste it below for you.
Intro Picture Desperately Needed All major cities on Wikipedia have an intro pic illustrating their skyline. Since its one of the world's most populated cities, Mumbai needs one such intro picture as well. It's imperative to have such a pic because a skyline defines a city and also because Mumbai is experiences rapid growth
Below are some other cities that have similar intro pictures Shanghai, new york city, dubai, london, paris, beijing, taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore City, frankfurt....i can go on and on!
Please do not delete the skyline pic — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nikkul (talk • contribs) 19:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
A skyline should be a panoramic image, and it is optional, not imperative. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
What Nikkul said (on Mumbai's talk page) is not invalid. I don't know why we should not have an intro pic. Maybe not skyline but some landmark that identifies Mumbai, like pic of taj and gateway taken from sea. As far as i know that had been an identity of Mumbai. spacejuncky 04:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The reason why a skyline was chosen is that because it has a higher width:height ratio and is something unique to a city. A snapshot of Nariman Point from Marine Drive or Malabar Hill could very well be highlighted. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I totally agree with the point of view that a skyline desperately needed. In my view images, in general, in this article need a major overhaul. For example, the images from climate and geography section are redundant and do not provide information proportional to the real state they eat up on the article page. Also the hiranandani complex is in no way a representative of the city's upwardly mobile people. I think a picture from a larger region like peddar-road would better fit here. The adjoining text never talks about the prosperity in the city rather mentions the slums so if we plan to be in line with that, we should get a pic from dharavi slums which, unfortunately, is a better landmark than the hiranandani complex. Even CST can be shown in better glory than the one in present picture. These are some of my thought, if we agree on an agenda regarding picture, we can actively work on it. http://www.answers.com/topic/bombayatnight-gif --Rakov 05:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
And yes, I have read all the comments on this page more than once. And I definately know what a skyline is and i've probably seen more skylines than you have. And just like you said yourself, wikipedia is not run unilaterally, so please respect the opinions of those who have pasted their comments above and please notice the consensus present and follow the consensus decision-making guidelines of Wikipedia. Thank you. --nikkul
Sometimes Wikipedia:Consensus means that one might not get his way every single time.Nikkul 15:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Bollywood reaches almost twice as many people as Hollywood, releases many many more movies than Hollywood, and is known all over the world. Indians watch more movies than any other group of people and Bollywood has had a great impact of Indian society.
And all the magic happens in Bombay. Hence, we need something about Bollywood (and a pic) under the media section. Nikkul 15:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
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