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In writing about Moscow Metro for the Malayalam Wikipedia, we are finding it difficult to correctly transliterate the Russian place names. For example, do we pronounce Park Kultury as PAARK KALTTARI or PAARK KALCHCHARI (or perhaps something completely different)? Can somebody please help by transliterating the list given in https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/സംവാദം:മോസ്കോ_മെട്രോ. (I am not putting the list here as I don't want to clutter up this page.) Thanks Jose Mathew C (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Due to huge problems with russophobia in this article I would propose to remove it at all. There is a good and detailed article in Russian section of wikipedia, anybody interested can take information from there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.6.1 (talk) 15:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
If you find the article biased and unacceptable, feel free to update it. Remember to include proper sources and references to any additions you make. Janneman27 (talk) 07:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
It is possible that the claim about Moscow being the second busiest underground network in the world needs looking at. The article that it links to uses sources from 2008 and 2009 when quoting figures for Tōkyo's and Moscow's passenger figures. Following terrorist attacks, a report on BBC Radio 4 said that Moscow was the busiest underground network in the world. •• Fly by Night (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
The table says L1 is L1, but it should be sorted as if it were line 12. What if one day a real line 12 is built and we want to know how it should be sorted?? Should it be 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-L1-12 or 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-L1?? Georgia guy (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Let's imagine a next condition: an average of 44-48 trips per month (40 on work days plus few times on weekends). The Transport Card for 90 days cost 3020 rubles. So it's going to be 24 160 rubles per two years. 48 trips per month cost 894 rubles with the bank card. That's 21 456 rubles. Plus you have to pay at maximum 1200 rubles for the card (2-year service in average). So you saves at least 1000 rubles comparing to 90-day Transport Card and over 4000 rubles if you use 20 trips tickets. Not everyone is able to pay 10000 once for a yearly unlim card. And, unlike with bank card you won't get refund if you lose it.
Therefore: in specific popular conditions the statement is dubious. Elk Salmon (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
1080/60=18 (This card is valid for 45 days, so we are easily fit even in 40-days area if you buy in advance before the weekends, for example). Addon: If you override 70 trips, it doesn't stop the charge and you hit 21.14 RUR insted of same 18.
18*48=864 instead of 894+for a card. 91.76.209.103 (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
what about the dogs? I didn't see any of them in london or nyc 81.68.255.36 (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There are dogs that use the actual metro. In Moscow. 81.68.255.36 (talk) 12:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
The article contains a lot of language mistakes, most notably the Russicisms. I have tried to remove or verify the unsourced claims, but still someone unfamiliar with the topic has to place ((citation needed)) templates where appropriate. Artem Karimov (talk | edits) 10:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry but this section is written from single point of view only. Even though well-resourced, the information is presented as the Wikipedia's point of view which is unacceptable. The researchers themselves should be noted as the supporters of the following point of view as other views also present. I think that it is important to correct it. --Tserg (talk) 15:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Agree. Besides, this seems like a stalin rant. GTFO commies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.197.61 (talk) 04:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm actually the poster of this section, as well as the other sections regarding stalinism. It was a final project for my history class (college). Honestly I don't follow how this section is biased because it presents mostly factual information. My source specifically cites the festivities following the opening of the metro. If you could highlight specific problems you have with the section I'd be happy to evaluate them in the context of the piece. Maybe you're having a problem with my calling it a cult? However there is legitimate historical term, the cult of personality, which is used to describe the overall russian population's trust in Stalin as a leader. That trust was there in part because of Stalin's achievements as a leader as well as his charismatic nature. The "cult of the moscow metro" relates directly to Stalin's cult of personality because it is an extension of stalin's image as a leader who promoted "the technological and ideological victory" of socialism. -Jane — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.162.72.31 (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Attempted to neutralize some headings. Wegerje (talk) 14:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC) Neutralized the language and removed unneeded adjectives in section 1 (Glorification changed to Publicizing the metro for example). The next three sections need similar work. - But ultimately I agree that maybe this is not the place for these paragraphs. Wegerje (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I also agree that the part of article is prejudiced. I actually live in Moscow and have seen most of the metro stations many times, and few of them have any Stalin-related symbolism, and half of them don't have any Socialist symbolism in general. Even when there are things like Soviet coat of arms, etc., they are not dominating motive. The style also is not usually some specially "Socialistic", lot of them resemble classical old-fashioned palaces, and different stations have very different styles. Sources familiar to me say that the idea of making the stations' design individual was born so that people wouldn't feel depressed or frightened to be underground. Aranelle (talk) 10:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Aside from neutrality debate, I would like to discuss something about Moscow Metro: its Stalin-era stations were full of decor; something almost not used in not-rich country USSR was. One of my sources: Design.ru studeo creator, Artemiy Lebedev, also has a site designated solely for Moscow Metro design, literally "metro.ru". Uchyotka (talk) 08:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh! And here's something to discuss. I believe "tasteless opulent manors" attributed to Russian oligarchs, actually use the motiffs of both pre-Khrushov's and post-Khrushov's Moscow Metro (as in "one design goes across the whole station, every column is the same, yet every station is designed to be unique, and feel different"). I kno-o-ow there is this synthetic phrase "Stalin's ampir", but I think it is too far-fetched from crimson-rich "ampir" cabinets; the stations were never featuring wood-and-alizarin combinations and almost completely lacked dark wood decorations - something which characterizes ampir design. In fact, I cannot remeber any alizarin-colored Stalin-era station in Moscow's downtown.
I'm not sure this very long section belongs in this article, at least in its present form; at the very least, I'm going to paraphrase it and try to simplify some of the academic language. Apparently it's from elsewhere in Wikipedia; I'd love to know where!--Miniapolis (talk) 02:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
The map near the top of the article says that Line 12 (which I believe is the Solntsevskaya Line) is pink.
But the line template says that it is light green.
Which is correct?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Part of the overview contains detailed specifics and should be removed. It is also written in a highly simplified language which is inconsistent with the rest of the article.Landroo (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I improved the Overview's style. More tomorrow? JeffreyDavidSpeck CtrlAltDel 20:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
The "11" in the current lines table refers to the current line 11. But the "11"s in the expansion table refer to a new line. Can anyone fix this?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
In 2006, there was a long discussion about whether to call Butovskaya 12 or L1. Now, someone changed the line's index used by Wikipedia from L1 to 12. Any thoughts?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
There are 2 line 8's?? The map appears to say so. Georgia guy (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
If there are two line 8's, the total number of lines should be 13. Any flaw here?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
MosMetro now have new logo¹, maybe, it's better to replace one in the article? ¹ www.artlebedev.com/everything/metro/logo/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.69.56.32 (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2014
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Ten years ago, I thought that the Monorail was a separate system that's run by the same business, and thus must be called Line M1. Wikipedia now refers to it as the 13th line, as if it were just another line of the Moscow Metro. Is this true now?? Why?? Georgia guy (talk) 13:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
http://www.mrl.ucsb.edu/~yopopov/transit/projects_moscow.html
Wikipedia itself refers to M1 as line 13 in the line template and in the monorail's article, but as M1 elsewhere. Georgia guy (talk) 18:47, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
@Elk Salmon, Epicgenius, Kopiersperre, SUROK92, AndyVolykhov, Michgrig, Yauza02, Ymblanter, Ingafube, Xenotron, and Theodor Ludenhof:
Just a notice for you guys that I will not longer update the system maps without future plans because maintaining these versions along with the ones with future plans (File:Moscow metro ring railway map ru sb future.svg and File:Moscow metro ring railway map en sb future.svg) is very tiring and could easily lead to errors, after all very few people around are willing to proofread the maps carefully. If you want to create a new one with perfectly round shape of TPK and Central Ring to supersede my maps, feel free to do so. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 13:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Line #1 is already red. What's an accurate description of line 14's color?? Crimson?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:57, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:23, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
– The year-old move was orthographically incorrect. Be it Линия Арбат — Покровка or Линия Таганка — Красная Пресня, they could turn into English Arbat–Pokrovka Line or Taganka–Krasnaya Presnya Line using dash. But those are not two different words indicating span. They are conjuncted into single word proper names. Therefore they use hyphen per Russain language rules, as they could not be broken. Elk Salmon (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 19:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Why does the table have 15 between 12 and 13?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I remember the L1/12 discussion from 2006 about one of the line designations. If my memory is correct, User:Elk Salmon wanted the line to be called 12; while User:Kuban kazak said no; we have to call it L1. (That was back in 2006; it is meaningless today because the line is now called 12; the line Kuban Kazak claimed was going to be the real line 12 now exists as line 14.)
As for the discussion I'm saying we need to avoid, please note that a new user added 2 lines to the lines template; these are D1 and D2. The discussion I'm saying we need to avoid is whether it's okay to call these lines lines 16 and 17. Georgia guy (talk) 02:31, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
@Elk Salmon, Vadiml, Crimson Hades, Michgrig, and ØM:
I am here to inform you guys that after a very lengthy consideration, I won't be updating my Moscow Metro (precisely "integrated rail") map which is expected to include the Moscow Central Diameters. I came to this uneasy conclusion because my new career in a foreign country doesn't allow me to have enough time to handle this enormous project. I need to work harder while studying a foreign language. Incorporating the MCD into the current Moscow Metro+MCC map would mean every current line in my map needs to be realigned. Perhaps my desire to make my map as much as professional (even though it isn't really necessary here) and my purist approach to SVG with only text editor (Notepad++) are to be blamed. This is really my personal opinion, but the most recent incarnation of Inkscape still doesn't convince me that it is a proper substitute of text editor when it comes to basic octagonal rail diagram (using its own "symbols dialog" instead of the "defs" in the SVG specification).
The confirmation of Adobe Illustrator's eccentric handling of text alignment is another discouraging factor. Even if a professional cartographer is willing to contribute their own Moscow rail map in SVG under the CC-BY-SA license, texts of their SVG exported from Ai will always be misaligned and require impossibly tedious realigning work (maybe on Inkscape) to look properly on Wikimedia. And you will need to align every single non-right-aligned text whenever the pro cartographer updates the SVG, every, single, time. I am not kidding. After being able to use Ai CC2020, the first thing I did was to test its SVG export, and the result is just bad.
As someone is to abandon his own work, I will not make any requirement if any of you attempt to make your own new Moscow integrated rail map, with whatever software you prefer. I can still help out with minor revision if my time allows. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 01:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
.. " Брестские крепости " вдоль всей границы с Германией .. или кто там был за.
Можно было ? 176.59.194.112 (talk) 18:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Do we know their colors?? The line template reveals 2 upcoming lines, but not which one is #17 and which is #18 or their colors. Georgia guy (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Can someone update the map in §Network Map to include the new Mnyovniki station and any new lines? Thanks. Electos242 (talk) 04:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Lines 11 and 11A are going to be merged. Lines 8 and 8A are 2 parts of a discontinuous line and the line is going to be a single line somewhere deep along the line (no pun on the 2 definitions of line please.) But Line 4A is a branch of 4, so I doubt it will merge; is there any reason it's called 4A and will still be called such even if it becomes a separate line and not a branch of Line 4?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Metro-1 and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 8#Metro-1 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Pichpich (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/search/Metro
Metro2fsb (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Hey, in the summary, the article calls the Moscow Metro the busiest in the world outside of Asia. What year is this referring to? On the right side of the article, the ridership in 2018 is listed as 2.5 million. If this figure is what's being used to claim it as busiest outside Asia, this is wrong at least compared to the NYC Subway, which had 2.649 million riders back in 2018. Aquamaster255 (talk) 01:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
the history section, in particular the description of the different stages of station construction, is largely uncited, features excessive and at times out of place block quotes, and sometimes includes bullet point lists (and italics) for seemingly no reason. Could someone, preferably the original author, add necessary citations and do some reformatting? I tried improving the layout somewhat, but I'm not familiar enough with the sources used to do any substantial revisions of the text itself. PS: I added a TOC limit to reduce the amount of blank space caused by the long TOC and long infobox, but for some reason the Notable incidents subheadings still appear for some reason, if anyone more knowledgeable could fix that. --jonas (talk)
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