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I'm not sure what to make of or do with that "For many years..." text. I don't think it quite fit the flow of the old text either.
These are fairly significant revisions to what I viewed as a stale introduction. I'm particularly interested in feedback from previous editors. CleffedUp 12:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you add pronunciation for both the first name and the last name. Is Modest pronounced with a long o or a short o?
Should we rather use the full portrait in this article? [1]? --Irpen 06:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I just killed a "dead link" --- coded for a portrait that does not seem to exist. I wasn't logged in at the time. No political or artistic intent ... just though we should not have a dead link. Renaissongsman (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
There has been recent vandalizing of this page. Please keep an eye on this article. Itzcuauhtli 18:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Some morons are vandalizing this article. Please look out for their IP addresses and give sanctions to these guys. thanks. 61.9.74.19 20:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Модест Петрович Мусоргский Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky | |
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Birth name | Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky |
Occupation(s) | Composer Civil Servant |
In view of the strong developing consensus against using popular music style infoboxes for articles about composers, I am moving the infobox here for discussion, comments etc., while retaining the photo on the article page. --Kleinzach 00:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Why the double "s" in his name? In Russian there's only one "c(=s in English)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.10.234.15 (talk) 19:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
There were rumors about Mussorgsky being an antisemite. Yet, Considering his "jewish song", "Samuel Golndenberg" and such, it seems that he was quite interested in jewish music. Moreover, I think his friend, Hartmann, was jewish. Are there evidences of any kind? 132.66.234.222 19:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. The article is B-class; it needs attention primarily to reception of his work over time, and to inline citations; read the detailed review on the comments page. Questions or comments can be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 20:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this is not an opera, and most certainly not "operas". I'm going to correct it AdamChapman (talk) 22:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Why we don't move them to wikiquote? It's a nonsense to keep them here. User:Albus severus (talk) 05:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
The fact that some of Mussorgsky's works are most generally known in the form of orchestrations by others is mentioned in the introduction, but, unless I missed it, this is not developed in more detail later in the article. For the general reader, the fact that Pictures at an Exhibition was originally a solo piano piece, later orchestrated by Ravel, would be useful to know. Put it this way, until very recently, I had assumed that Mussorgsky was responsible for the orchestral version of that piece. Boynstye —Preceding undated comment added 23:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC).
All quotes require sources, and if you are going to pick and choose criticism from primary sources, you need to show that it is notable with secondary sources. Viriditas (talk) 00:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
On a separate question, it appears to me that the Lyadov quotation is very favorable. He says that Mussorgsky's music should not be "regularized" because it has unique good qualities. Anyhow, why is there a "Criticism" section and not a "Reception" section with criticism and the many favorable remarks about Mussorgsky? Zaslav (talk) 18:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Is Karevo "south-south-east of Saint Petersburg" as the article claims? Shouldn't the direction be southWEST? Check it out. Rammer (talk) 02:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
The following was inserted in the article by SingingZombie, I'm moving it here...
I disagree per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people): this is the English wikipedia, so we use English spellings by default and cannot go beyond what the referenced works use. All the cited refs spell with a "g" so we need substantial cites of comparable quality to change it, or at least reliable sources to support mentioning this alternate spelling. DMacks (talk) 02:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi, is there a good reason why pictures at an exhibition is represented in audio on this page as an arrangement for 2 pianos? I feel this piece should be represented on this page in the format that Mussorgsky wrote it for, which was solo piano. --James dude2000 (talk) 08:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
"Yes, Mussorgsky is little short of an idiot."
I don't know whether this quote is real, or if it was made up by a random guy to mislead people. If it is real, can you please site your sources? If it is not real, THE POSTER OF THIS QUOTE ON WIKIPEDIA SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EDITING WIKIPEDIA! Can you please help us? And by us, I mean everybody in the world that will read this splendid article. Just help the world. OK? Shizzlecraft1 (talk) 21:42, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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==Composers Project Assessment of Modest Mussorgsky: 2008-12-9==
This is an assessment of article Modest Mussorgsky by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?
===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)
===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?
===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)
===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review=== ===Summary=== This is a fairly nice biography of a composer. It covers his life, personally, professionally, and compositionally. The style and influence of him and his music are covered well. Where the article lacks is in covering public reception of his works, and some historical perspective (how his music has been received over time, and possibly geography as well). The lead mentions that his original scorings are being recovered; this should be elaborated in the body. The article appears to contain use adequate reference material. There are insufficient inline citations for a GA or FA review; whole paragraphs are uncited. There are also direct quotes that are uncited, which would quick-fail any formal review. The gallery of photos at the bottom is not particularly helpful, due to their similarity (to each other). One of them should probably replace one of the Boris Godunov images. The article will need to be copyedited, especially to get consistency in the spelling of some of the names. Article is B-class; content and form both need a little work. Magic♪piano 20:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC) ==Comment== I confess! - I have just deleted the awful melodramatic 2nd para of the header section, which was a typical Volkov flight, fine in its way but absurdly POV for an encyclopaedia! Tather duisturbing that the only source apart from Volkov in the article bibliography is Brown - there are many others.....--Smerus (talk) 12:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Let's cut it short. Practically all major (and lesser) pianists have played Mussorgsky during the last 100 years. This can be documented ad nauseam. One of the most famous concert of one the most famous famous piano players (Sviatloslav Richter) main piece is Pictures of an Exhibition. You can go a long way, and beyond, with his music. The article is bland as is. Mussorgsky is a major composer. Period.
And sorry, but "Mussorgsky's single-movement orchestral work Night on Bald Mountain enjoyed broad popular recognition in the 1940s when it was featured, in tandem with Schubert's 'Ave Maria', in the Disney film Fantasia." is too US-centric. Can we think and assess music independently of Disney (even if tasteful) usage? Even if we can acknowledge the positive influence of the diffusion of that music by Disney.
Again, Mussorgsky is a major World composer, regardless of what Russians (who never forgot him) and Americans (who think they rediscovered him) think of him. Can we agree to that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frederic Y Bois (talk • contribs) 21:22, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Why is the child portrait AI-enhanced? The original is good enough. Let's not invent history. 2603:8000:F201:2879:988D:8D9C:2A62:D13D (talk) 05:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)