The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Image #1 (current lede image)

Image #2 (suggested replacement)

Should the lede image be changed from Image #1 to Image #2? Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral pointers to this discussion have been placed on the talk pages of the WikiProjects listed above. Notification of individual editors is to be avoided per WP:CANVASSING. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

• No - The current lede image shows the full front facade of the mansion, presenting this primary architectural aspect to the reader. In contrast, the suggested replacement is shot from the side at an oblique angle, which necessarily foreshortens the building and does not give a true sense of its size or its architecture. It serves neither the reader nor the mansion well. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• No The full front-view of the building is most appropriate for the lead. The other one, according to the caption in the galley (where it is currently), is the rear facade. Schazjmd (talk) 00:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• No The appropriate image is the current image of the formal front, not the rear, informal terrace, obscured by an awning. Acroterion (talk) 00:03, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Partial Yes Image 1 is of poor quality. It should be changed to image 2 or another image like File:Marble House, Newport RI.jpgFiletime (talk) 00:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 as best view and highest resolution. ɱ (talk) 00:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 as the best compromise between perspective and quality — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 as the best available. Edwardx (talk) 09:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3. I don't see that the direct front view is always necessarily the best? In fact, the off-center view of #3 gives a better sense of how the front portico extends forward, and thus "resembles the White House" as mentioned in the lede as a distinguishing feature of the mansion. Also, no offense intended here, but Beyond My Ken ... you would be well-served to get a better camera. You're doing a lot of work and spending your valuable time and that camera is letting you down every time. - Kzirkel (talk) 13:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3. The 3/4 view is normally superior. Additionally, in the current photo, there are no leaves on the trees and the shrubbery looks dead. Image 3 has nice green trees and pink lawn flowers. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 The view of the image is better and has a good resolution. Sea Ane (talk) 22:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• No or Image 3 Per many comments above, the front or otherwise most characteristic part of the house should be shown, though I do agree that Image 3 is aesthetically nicer. Arathald (talk) 07:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 The image has a better resolution and gives a better view of the front and its surrounding . BristolTreeHouse (talk) 08:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Image 3 - Well framed, high quality photo which depicts the facade of the building, combining the advantages of the first two options. PraiseVivec (talk) 16:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• 1 - 3 - 2 ((sbb)) 1 gives a better overall sense of the building IMO but is a bit 'flat', 3 has better detail when you 'expand' it, but slightly distorts wall angles beacause of the effect of the lens and 'crops' the building. The back of the building (2) would be a strange thing to show unless it was especially noted for that, but is a clear crisp image. Pincrete (talk) 07:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• No, The front view is well captured. Idealigic (talk) 13:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 yeah, I think this pic is better. YOu can see the side of the building Deathlibrarian (talk) 04:09, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3, showing the frontal view in detail with a better resolution. BristolTreeHouse (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 I like the look of it.Thelostone41 (talk) 02:42, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 It has the best parts of 1 by being the formal front showing the mentioned resemblance to the White House - and of 2 by being a 3/4 view. Plus the benefit of the foliage is in bloom. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 11:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 image #2 is not great because that white canopy obscure the building and does not look good.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 15:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support image 3 - ticks all the boxes, in my view. St★lwart¹¹¹ 04:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

• @Acroterion and Schazjmd: See this option, which provides the same facade of the house, but is not of such poor technical quality. Filetime (talk) 00:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  

• @Kzirkel: Pinging Ken given his robust contributions to related subjects. Filetime (talk) 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Typical of Filetime to CANVASS other editors despite being warned against it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Let's look at the WP:CANVASSING page, shall we? The page explicitly permits the notification of "editors who have made substantial edits to the topic or article." Ken has uploaded thousands of files, the vast majority of which are photographs of Rhode Island. Not to mention his thousands of edits to pages directly related to Rhode Island. If thousands of images and edits don't meet the threshold for "substantial edits," I'd like to know how many do? Should I wait for hundreds of thousands? Millions? Please let me know. Filetime (talk) 02:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• It's not automatically canvassing to ping someone to a discussion -- only if you do so because you think that person will vote a certain way. That said, the appearance of canvassing can matter, too, and in this case it's ultimately unnecessary because I'm fairly sure Kzirkel watches the WikiProject Rhode Island page (as do I), and a neutral notice there should make it unnecessary to ping. In other words, I think it's unlikely Filetime's done anything wrong in this regard, but if it's not ultimately necessary, there's no need to further inflame these threads (which already run rather hot). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]