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Created hopefully non-copyvio version of page in Manila_Massacre/Temp. --Pikhq
With the definition of Holocaust, it seems not suitble for this event. Poo-T 05:01, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Delete a link. Comparing other two references, it is not a kind of reference, as many photographes are disputed in Japan about it's explanation. Additionally, the website seems far from NPOV. For ex. http://www.kimsoft.com/2004/go-chosun.htm 'Chinese dynasty has its root in 9000 years old Korean Dynasty' --Poo-T 05:26, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It is true that Rear Admiral Iwabuchi's troops entered into street fighting with the U.S. in defiance of Gen. Yamashita's order, and their desperate act are known. But it is also known that the U.S. shore bombardment destroyed large portion of the city of Manila. Unless someone proves the attribution of the death toll is fair, I keep the ((disputed)) tag. --Nanshu 00:49, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The sources I have read--such as Robert Leckie and Max Hastings--say that the 100,000 figure includes those killed by both sides. Max Hastings says that possibly 60 percent were killed by the Japanese.
I did a basic cleanup of the entry. I tried to remove some of the more emotionally weighted stuff to make it more encyclopaedic. It still needs proper sourcing and more detail. I don't have my books in front of me, but I'll try to add more details to the entry and sourcing this evening when I have them available. --Lendorien 20:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Am the author of Warsaw of Asia:The Rape of Manila. It is based mostly
on the accounts of seventy-nine survivors, including American soldiers.
It is the only book about the Battle of Manila with the most number of photographs, most of which have never been published before and the close up photos of those Spaniards and Filipinos who were killed.
Some of the photos that have been published before now contains the names of those in the pictures.
you can contact me through boni_escoda2005@yahoo Jose Maria Bonifacio Escoda I will share some of the gruesome details. The 100,000 death toll of unarmed civilians was just an estimated number made by the American Forces. It might ran between 50,000 to 75,000 The population of Manila then was just around 800,000.Many of them left for their provinces before the Battle of Manila. All the remaining survivors lost aquaintances and relatives to the uncessant shelling of the Americans and Japanese bullets, fires and bayonets. The southern part of Manila suffered. Intramuros, the anciant Walled City, was ninty-five percent destroyed.Almost all the males, including Catholic priest were murdered by the Japanese.Around five thousand of the civilians who were held as captives in Fort Santiago and hostages held in San Agustin and another churches and hospitals were killed.
The remaining districts like Malate and Ermita whihc was the seat of the social and intellectual elite were ninety-percent leveled to the ground by the American shelling and JApanese arson squads.
The civilians who were trapped in the city were either killed by American shells or Japanese grenades,fire, bayonets or bullets. The gardens became shallow grave yards.
Around four hundred women who were living in Isac Peral and Padre Faura were gang rape by the Japanese marines for three days iside the Bayview Hotel and Alhambra Apartments. The males were all killed.
Article has the IJA special research units category list at the bottom - article needs to explain why. Tempshill 06:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Many Filipinos told me the death toll was 200,000. I know the Japanese literally destroyed the city to the ground. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.245.58.40 (talk) 22:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
This article would be clearer if some more was said about the context. Can someone please fill in some background information: Why did General Tomoyuki Yamashita have to withdraw from Manila, was it because the Americans were coming? Did Vice Admiral Sanji Iwabuchi make the decision to disobey Yamashita's orders, or was it a failure of the marines to follow the chain of command? Were the marines part of the army, or a separate branch? And when there were lulls in the battle for control of the city, exactly who was fighting for control of the city, was it the IJA and the Americans, or the marines against the Americans? Which started first, the Battle of Manila or the Manila Massacre? How did the massacre come to an end? I suppose I could read the whole article on the Battle of Manila to learn more, but if this article just had a bit more explication, I wouldn't have to. Thanks in advance!--Brambleshire (talk) 04:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Ya this has bothered me for awhile. This article need more information. 100000+ Filipinos died here I think there is more to tell about the massacre. Anyone here up to the task of adding more data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.178.205 (talk) 03:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
To answer your questions, Brambleshire: 1. General Yamashita believed he could tie up a larger number of American forces for a longer period of time if he conceeded Manila to the Americans and moved the Japanese forces into the mountains (as he did) rather than expending them in an futile battle-to-the-death in Manila. Yamashita and the IJA (Imperial Japanese Army) units did in fact tie down American forces in the Philippines until the end of the war. 2. Admiral Iwabuchi chose to disobey Yamashita's orders even though Yamashita was the senior commander of Japanese forces in the Philippines. Once the American forces surrounded Manila it became impossible for individual Japanese to leave even if they wanted to obey Yamashita's orders. 3. The marines referred to were part of the Japanese navy. 4. The Japanese forces trapped in Manila were under the command of Admiral Iawbuchi so technically it was the IJN (Imperial Japanese Navy) fighting the Americans. 5. The Battle of Manila started first. The mass killing of civilians took place after it started. 6. The massacre come to an end when the Japanese forces in Manila had been exterminated and the Battle of Manila was over.
Although I can't give you page-by-page cites this is not "original research." I hope one and all will agree that the information in written in an objective and neutral tone. However, since I don't have the cites and don't want to flamed for committing "original research" I will not add any of this information to the entry. {06:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)} — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.47.232 (talk)
The massacre was in response to the firebombing of Japanese cities by the US air force. (5.81.222.174 (talk) 14:14, 28 March 2016 (UTC))
I have removed the section regarding Max Von Schuler. As far as I can tell, he does not appear to be a notable scholar on the subject. Per WP:UNDUE and WP:RS, I don't see any reason that his opinion warrants inclusion in an encylopedia article. Gnome de plume (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure of your definition "notable scholar", however, as I've researched, I detected some further books of which contents are similar to that of Max Von Schuler.
Philippine daily inquirer) Author: Nick Joaquin ISBN 9718635009 Eddal (talk) 15:32, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
This article lacks neutrality and thus, should be more neutral, in my opinion. Eddal (talk) 14:45, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I revised text and cited the book by Allan Ryan, Yamashita's Ghost- War Crimes, MacArthur's Justice, and Command Accountability. The book deals in detail about Yamashita's actions and the trials leading to his execution. Additional Wikipedia articles about Yamashita's role is available at the pages for Tomoyuki Yamashita and Allan Ryan (attorney). Bryantbob (talk) 18:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)