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FYI, there is a Regina elementary school, M. J. Coldwell School, named for Coldwell. Didn't see this mentioned in the article, my apologies if it is. See http://www.rbe.sk.ca/. BigNate37T·C 03:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The article may be improved by following theWPBiogaphy 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Abebenjoe 18:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. Most editors believe that "M. J. Coldwell" is the common name of this individual. — Newslinger talk 21:28, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Major James Coldwell → M. J. Coldwell – Per WP:COMMONNAME (the ngram, e.g., shows 0 hits for the existing title). 142.160.89.97 (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 19:27, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Misplaced/improperly bundled discussion ... not properly bundled almost two weeks later. See Talk:Abraham Albert Heaps#Requested move 8 June 2019 for the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:27, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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-- Abraham Albert Heaps → A. A. Heaps – Per WP:COMMONNAME (the ngram, e.g., shows 0 hits for the existing title). 142.160.89.97 (talk) 04:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC) |
The n-grams analysis is flawed and does not establish what you say it does ("shows 0 hits for the existing title") since it has a threshold for 3-grams that is not met in this case. Could you clarify what you mean here, Dicklyon? Does it pertain to the smoothing of 3? If so, reducing that to zero doesn't appear to affect the result.
and you didn't even consider "Major J. Coldwell". What leads you to believe that I didn't consider that? I merely didn't include it in the ngram because it isn't a name by which the subject has ever been known, as evidenced by the fact that "Major J. Coldwell" receives only 20 Google hits, half of which are false positives.
and this kind of change from name to initials always deserves discussion.I certainly don't object to discussing this if you have concerns (though the idea that changes from a full personal name to initials uniformly require the controversial RM process isn't consonant with the relevant guidelines or the RM instructions). I merely object to your characterization of the initial request as not "technical" in nature (despite the consistent way in which the term is used on Wikipedia in the context of moves) and your having listed the discussion as "contested" without providing any other basis for contestation. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 02:08, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
The point is that absence from the n-grams database does not imply no occurences in books; it just means it's below a cutoff threshold (something like 30 occurrences, or 30 books maybe, I think).I haven't suggested that there isn't a number sufficiently insignificant such that it isn't registered by the ngram. Rather, I said that there were 0 hits registered by the ngram.
And if you search books, you certainly do find him known as "Major J. Coldwell" in some of them, too.I was already well aware, despite the suggestion that I hadn't considered this. Google Books does show that name used once in Hansard, once in a footnoted citation in a book, once in a magazine, once in a directory which appears to uniformly use that name format, and once in a reference work listing article abstracts (in addition to one false positive). Of what relevance do you think that is here, given that the proposed title has nearly 12,000 hits in Google Books, Dicklyon?
And generally, commonname arguments that go against previous title decisions should be discussed, with reasoned arguments and evidence.Like I said, I'm happy to discuss the matter, but there is no standard that technical requests are impermissible if they pertain to WP:COMMONNAME. In fact, it's a pretty regular occurrence. And I'm not sure what "previous title decision" you're referring to. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 03:56, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
The presented argument was too weak to accept, imho.Well, I trust you'll be engaging with the fleshed out argument now.
Generally, use the most common format of a name used in reliable sources: if that is with a middle name or initials, make the Wikipedia article title conform to that format. Examples: John F. Kennedy, Thomas John Barnardo, George H. W. Bush, J. P. Morgan.In both cases here, the subject's full name is used rather rarely in the literature, sufficiently infrequently that the full name is little more than a piece of historical trivia. For those unfamiliar with the literature, this can be seen in the ngrams for their respective names (here and here).
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It’s his proper name, Major James. M.J. Is more a nickname like FDR. Abebenjoe (talk) 06:50, 16 June 2019 (UTC)