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What were the available displacement numbers in the V8 engines?
I believe the V8 Esprit was available in 3.5 Litres only.
Yes, 3.5L is the only displacement for the V8 engines.
I was playing the Seattle Circuit from Gran Turismo 4, and it hit me: Is there anyone in the Wikipedia community that has seen or owns a purple Lotus Esprit? I saw this page and I don't believe there are any pictures of any purple ones. Is purple often a rare color on a Lotus Esprit?
Do you think Lotus Esprit Repair needs its own page? Merge? BMan1113VR 03:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it should be merged. It is not extensive enough to have its own article and is more of a parts supplier list. --Mach535 01:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
If anything I feel the repair "article" should be deleted, it's not encyclopedic in content, and despite a couple of dozen edits full of incomplete content and spelling errors. Merging followed by a bit of savage editing should suffice! M100 12:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree, article has no place on Wiki. Adding to this one would change format, you don't get repair sections on ferrari entries on Wikipedia. Just cause its british doesnt mean we need a repair article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.57.227 (talk • contribs)
I've gone ahead and merged the contents anyway. But as I'm not an aficionado of Lts, I'll leave the editing in your hands instead. Ohconfucius 07:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Leftlanenews has an article (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/07/spied-2010-lotus-esprit/) up with spy shots/news of the rumored 2010 model. Wes902 17:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I can catagorically state that no one has any photos of an impending Esprit replacement because it doesn't exist yet. There are always prototypes, demonstration cars etc testing other technologies in old Esprit-looking bucks and these often get confused as future vehicles when they are not necessarily. LewisR (talk) 16:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Proposed new Esprit now cancelled.Mr Tangle (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I have noticed a few discrepancies between this article and some information I found on http://www.lotusespritworld.com at the page http://www.lotusespritworld.com/models.html.
Wikipedia says:
LotusEspritWorld says:
I suppose the HCi follows under the HC so they did not list it. The G3 production dates do not match. Can someone confirm the information on one or the other wesbite?
I have seen pictures of Esprits called NA or N/A for normally aspirated so I suppose that means no turbo. There is no model called NA or N/A. I suppose those NA are Peter Stevens's Esprits from 1987–90. I believe they are called like that to distinguish them from Peter Stevens's Esprit Turbos from 1987–90. Correct me if I am wrong.
I have also seen pictures of Esprits called X180. Wikipedia says that "The Stevens styled Esprit is collectively known as the X180". I would like to know if that applies to all the Esprits from the Stevens era or only to the Esprit Turbos from 1987–90.
LotusEspritWorld lists something called X180R but Wikipedia did not list this model so I added it.
ICE77 -- 81.104.129.226 20:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. However, you did not answer my questions. X180 for the Stevens's Esprit but which one of them? NA stands for Naturally Aspirated: does that mean no turbo then? I do not understand what you mean by efi.
ICE77 -- 81.104.129.226 16:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying the issue, it helped a lot. By the way you wrote it seems to me you've been involved in the development of the Esprit. X180 is used for all Stevens's Esprits and NA is used for non turbo Stevens's Esprits but those are just internal names since no model is officially called like X180 or NA: I got the point now. EFI has never been used by Lotus, probably because the Esprit is something different from other cards ... it is something special!
ICE77 -- 195.212.29.83 12:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
So this section has apparently been removed following a general vote ("pop culture and trivia references, unless particularly factually significant, have been vetoed by Wikiproject:Automobiles and are being phased out - thanks for understanding"). Now the forward reference to it is inappropriate. The Seventh Taylor 16:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone condense the image for the Esprit V8 into a thumbnail as there's no point to having the image in the article. That and I'm likely to break the article if I do it myself... 81.110.245.215 (talk) 12:50, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
We need to come to a decision about these external links. I am for taking them out, and if someone will second me on that, I will take them out. However, if the consensus is that they should stay, I would be fine with that too. Zach4636(Talk) 17:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I have a problem with the approach that is being taken on this particular entry regarding external links; looking back over the history for the past couple of weeks there is a clear feeling that the current links are insufficient, but no consistent editorial policy is being applied.
As an anonymous user, I tried to add links to Lotus Esprit World and Lotus Esprit Forum, to complement the existing link to the Esprit Fact File. Subsequent to this, my two additions were removed, then another user added a different site, again there was a partial clean-up, closely follwed by a purge of the entire External Links section. Subsequent users have then reinstated the same external links, only to have them purged again. This is starting to look a little farcical, wouldn't you say?
I'm trying to understand why the links I have posted are verboten, and indeed why some people see the whole concept of external links as irrelevant.
Let me recap on where this particular car is in its product lifecyle: having been produced for the best part of 30 years, it's now been out of production for over 3 years. As a non-current model, whilst Lotus still actively support the vehicle through parts availability and ongoing development, they (understandably) do not devote any of their public, corporate, website to discussion of the Esprit. Having built up an enthusiastic following over the past 30 years as an iconic sportscar, the support and information resources pertinent to the Esprit are, entirely understandably, now provided by clubs and enthusiasts. There is a diverse range of marque-specific and model-specific clubs and informative websites out there, some more useful or complete than others.
Reading the Esprit entry a week or so back, I was frankly astonished to see that two of the three main sources of Esprit information were not linked to, merely being obliquely referenced in the references section. Hence my additions and where this saga began.
Please do not consider the following as 'advertising'. I feel, having been challenged, that I have to justify why the sites I chose are worthy of inclusion, and to do them justice I need to ensure you understand what they are about.
Esprit Fact File and Lotus Esprit World are broadly similar in their origins and ambitions, and are complementary. Both were started by individuals keen to share and expand upon the information they had accumulated when purchasing and maintaining thier own cars. It's fair to say that Lotus Esprit World has grown considerably in size, but the breadth of content is truly remarkable - full specifications for every model variant produced, pictorial 'how to' guides, an archive of contemporary road tests, a regularly updated news page for information of interest to the Esprit owner, and much more. As perhaps the ultimate mark of a quality information resource, the engineers at Lotus publicly acknowledge that they use the site for reference purposes.
The Lotus Esprit Forum is one of several discussion groups that exist for the model and the marque. What differentiates it and elevates it as a useful resource is the fact that it has over 4,000 members worldwide, amongst them many current Lotus staff, and that it is sub-divided to seperate chat and event talk from technical discussions. It has built up an enviable archive of 'howto' threads which are available for the benfit of all. Mike Kimberley, CEO of Group Lotus, is an occasional but enthusiastic contributor. It is estimated the the Forum accounts for owners of more than a third of all Esprits ever built. This is a resource operated for and by owners and enthusiasts; just two of its achievements in the few short years it has been running were the widely-reported secret rebuilding of an Esprit belonging to a member with a debilitating medical condition, and the organising of the first Esprit-only factory event, which attracted 100 cars and owners from the UK, Europe, and North America.
Reading through wikipedia's guidelines on External Links, I see that any external links should be "restricted to the most relevant and helpful", that sites linked to should be "relevant to the content of the article (useful, helpful, informative, factual, etc.)", and include sites that "cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to ... amount of detail". I believe that both Lotus Esprit World and Lotus Esprit Forum satisfy these criteria.
Both sites could attract criticism: both are supported by either advertising or a paid-membership subsection, and a forum, by its very nature requires a user to register and sign-in to participate. The advertising, where used, is not intrusive, and the paid-membership sectons merely complement the freely-available reference, technical, or 'how-to' information in order to financially support the hosting of these sites. However, weighing these considerations against the wealth of information and appeal that both sites contain, it is clear that they are an invaluable resource for the Esprit enthusiast and owner.
Fundamentally, if Wikipedia is to maintain credibility for its content, shouldn't such useful sites as these be openly acknowledged and linked to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanBasterfield (talk • contribs) 17:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry Greg, with the greatest of respect that comes across as an "it's my ball and you're not going to play with it" attitude. Please quantify why you object to the sites, with specific examples of errors.
If we're being nit-picky about technical details, may I respectfully point out that in your own reply above (under 'questions and discrepancies') you said, regarding the naturally aspirated Esprit "I don't know why we didn't call them efi". Since the engines were all built and sold with twin Dell'Orto DHLA45 carburettors, then it would have been misleading the customer to claim that they had Electronic Fuel Injection (EFI). We can all make mistakes, my friend, so I think a little more tolerance and a little less keyboard rattling might be in order.
If you're implying that the links as typed here had errors, let me assure you I double-checked myself that they led to the intended sites - in fact I've just checked again under the edit history. I wouldn't want a typo in the middle of my edit. Or are you saying that you're concerned about the content of the sites I linked to?
I hope you're not applying the "factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research" guidance to a forum; that would be perverse to say the least - it's a place for discussion, after all. The point is it connects interested readers directly with other owners.
I wouldn't have the confidence to stand up and say that the content of Lotus Esprit World does not add to the Esprit article - in any current or future form. To do that would require the whole of LEF to be replicated into Wikipedia. Why go to all that effort when the Wikipedia entry is a comprehensive summary? All it needs is a link to LEF where the interested reader can delve further, should they so wish.
Upon casual checking, I see that the entries for both the Ferrari 355 and Porsche 911 have links to non-manufacturer sites, broadly similar in scope to Lotus Esprit World, and yet they've not been purged. Both entries have a reasonable handful of useful, relevant, external links, which is exactly what I'm aiming for here.
Please either give some examples where the content at Lotus Esprit World is inaccurate, or accept that it is a valid site to be linked from this entry. Your attitude is coming across as unnecessarily dismissive and defensive, please let's discuss this rationally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanBasterfield (talk • contribs) 00:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I will state my interest up front, I am a donator to LEF/LEW so that the forum and website can be run to provide access to esprit technical help, to people like me who have limited mechanical or engineering knowledge. Thishas been invaluable for me with the running and maintenance of my Esprit. When I first decided to choose to get the car I used all three sites Wiki, LEW and LEF to help me and provide me with the knowledge I was after. The fact that all three provided me with the information to make a good choice shows how they compliment each other in their aims. The Like you Dan, I believe that the wiki is both fair and complete with the links to what have to be some of the most informative internet sites covering the esprit being present. Any reader of the wiki article may wish to find even more detailed knowledge of the marque and model by being able to conatct other web based sites and owners of the car. 3 simple links on the wiki provide the reader with the simple and effortless ability to do that. The arguments stated above for removal of these links just seem petty at best. Wiki is full of links to other sites which are often more comprehensive in their information of the stated topic than the wiki and this does not cause problems for the integrity of the encyclopedia. I would suggest that this problem be resolve by the wiki adminstrators for arbitration as a diplomatic resolution does not seem forthcoming. I have read in detail the Wiki 3Rs rule, vandalism rules etc and I believe that this editing is starting to fall foul of those rules.
I believe a simple solution to the problem would be to add a little text to each link stating in general terms what useful knowledge they would serve the reader if they accessed them. for example the LEF link could come come with a line saying "A source of real fixes for technical problems for all G and S models esprits (but please be minded also contains non technical unrelated info)"
This to me shows a balanced view of what LEF can offer to the wiki reader. This should not be hard to resolve! Alex1200r (talk) 20:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex1200r (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
You do not have a consensus to put those links in, we do not yet have a consensus to take them out. This discussion is not over. I am ambivalent towards LEW, but I do not think that LEF has any encyclopaedic value. If you think it fulfils the criteria of WP:EXT please explain how. Consider the following quotes from that page: "Wikipedia's purpose is not to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic." "Avoid linking to multiple pages from the same website unless there is good reason to do so" "Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links" "Avoid... Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups) or USENET. " Unless you can demonstrate that LEF satisfies ALL of those criteria, it goes. I shall be applying similar logic to other links, later. Greg Locock (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
In my opnion, LEF does satisfy the following wiki criteria
"there is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to an article" LEF is a content relevant link
"The focus of user pages should not be social networking, but rather providing a foundation for effective collaboration." -LEF has provided and still does provide many effective collaborations on Esprits eg restoration projects, technical discussion, mechanical help info for people geographically separated through out the world. LEF has no interest in using wiki as a source of social networking.
In the end the points you cite are just guidelines, in the same way the ones I have cited are guidelines. Some are easily met, others not so. From the links guideline page " in a nutshell: Adding external links can be helpful to everyone, but they should be restricted to those that are most meritable, accessible and relevant to the article." The wiki guidlines themselve do not state that all have to be met, it is what is a sensible balance. The inclusion is sensible and does not detract from the quality of the article already written.
Does LEF/LEW link merit inclusion? Well it has over 4700 esprit related technical topics. This knowledge and information source merits reference. This knowledge is easily asccessible to all, and the bottom line it is relevant to the General Article on the Lotus Esprit. Alex1200r (talk) 00:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I can't see any other better sites then LEW or LEF. Realizing that the information isn't absolutely perfect 100% of the time... neither is your information -- you claim the citroen box is not in the stevens esprit... I have one... with a citroen box. This is a hand-built car with many inconsistency's. I've been working on these cars for about a year and in that time i've completely rebuilt everything but the engine in mine and I've done a lot of work to a 1994 S4 and a 2002 V8... they are all very different cars and you can easily tell they are handbuilt... and because they are handbuilt each one is very unique in the way it is put together. The term "fact" with regards to an "Esprit" is almost an oxymoron. So, those who have spent the time to do the research and collect the data should be regarded as the best source of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.13.157 (talk) 02:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
DanBasterfield (talk) 02:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Zach - please declare the source and method of calculation for the figures you obtained that disagree with mine, and the figures themselves. I declared my figures as coming from the owner of the website being discussed; for instance you can see at the bottom of the LEF home page that membership currently stands at 3816. I'd say that validates the claim of "almost 4000 members". Please provide more detail so I can understand the basis of your disagreement. Thanks! DanBasterfield (talk) 02:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There's obviously something about owning a Lotus and being prepared to waste inordinate amounts of time, judging from the behaviour of a couple of zealots. First read up on the definition of consensus. It is not a majority (although it can be, typically a 75% majority is the best that can be achieved). It is certainly not last man standing. Thus far we have roughly two agin and two for. That is not consensus. Secondly I said "You do not have a consensus to put those links in, we do not yet have a consensus to take them out." How is that prejudging the issue? Anyway, I would rather hear from other editors, I think Dan has made his point again and again and again. and again and again and again. and will doubrtless be the first to respond to this post. Incidentally this article is of only the slightest interest to myself, I have scarcely contributed to it. Greg Locock (talk) 03:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
It too would be interested to see the details of zach4636 statistics calculations. You seem to quote third party sites as the source of your information. Well here is a question for you - which do you think is the more accurate - third party web sites which may or may not have 100% connectivity to the site in question or the web server log files for the site in question? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.1.191 (talk) 13:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
To quote one of the sites you use "We have little data for lotusespritforum.com, so these are rough estimates" and the other has no data at all - hardly accurate figures and this refers to the site that you said the figures quoted were "nowhere near the real figures" so I say again where are your facts?
I also ask again which is more accurate - commercial sites trying to sell a service or the actual web server log files for the site in question??
There is no controversy concerning the links - the posters are simply asking for consistency in applying the rules. If these links go then so should the others quoted (Ferrari and Porche links) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.1.191 (talk) 17:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Firstly let me set out my position I am an esprit owner and poster on LEF (lotusespritforum), and ocasional user of LEW (lotusespritworld), EFF (espritfactfile) and lotusespritturbo but have no further affiliation to any site.
My opinion on this discussion of links is as follows. My first port of call for any factual information on the esprit is LEW I will then ocasionally expand to other sites for further reading or views to sites that include EFF and lotusespritturbo and even sometimes wikipedia its self. On this basis alone I feel that LEW warrents its place as where else could you turn for factual information and find a site that is endorsed by lotus and for full roundness of information I too would include both EFF and lotusespritturbo in any links section.
On the point of LEF is it possible anywhere else on the web to go and seek help or advice sometimes in near real time from, current owners, past owners, ex and current factory employees and people who make a living working on and caring for these cars 24 hours a day? Add to this the depth of knowledge that is offered for free to anyone in relation to the esprit, and I fail to see how any site, page or article that is aiming to be a repository of information relating to the esprit could fail to aknowledge LEF as a leading resource for said information.
Thanks Glyn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.248.98 (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Zach - As I've said already, I do not have a conflict of interest with the sites that I am attempting to post links to. DanBasterfield (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Greg - thank you for your comments, and for taking your obstruction elsewhere. I respect your experience, but not your attitude - this whole dispute has been fuelled by your attitude. All I asked was that valid links be added, or a reasonable explanation for their exclusion be given.
I see from your edit history that you are interested in alternative power sources for vehicles. I note with interest that you have contributed heavily in the past fortnight to pages such as:
I do not therefore understand why you have chosen to apply a 'no external links' policy to this article in particular, nor do I understand your objection to external links to discussion groups, forums, etc. Your position here has consistently relied on two principles, namely that external links are largely unnecessary and that links to discussion groups are excluded by WP policy.
I fail to see how the link to LEW is redundant when every reference cited is held within LEW. In the Compressed Air Car article, for example, there are sites in the external links section which are seperately referenced as citations from within the body of that articles. DanBasterfield (talk) 00:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
@ Zach4636 - you replied above to DanBasterfield that "Thanks, that was all I wanted to know". This sounds like you agreed or at least were no longer against having the link. Why are you still removing the link to the forum? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.17.50 (talk) 00:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Does the 3.5L V8 in the Lotus have any connection at all to the Rover 3.5L V8? Davez621 (talk) 22:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
In the "designers" section, shouldn't Carr also be listed? I suppose he is considered the 4th designer of the Lotus Esprit (V8 from 2002 to 2004).
ICE77 (talk) 23:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Here is a picture of a new Esprit shown on Paris motor show: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcardinal/5094807075/ Gcardinal (talk) 01:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't like the way it is presented. It implies that these people actually did the engineering. It should be said instead "Lotus stylists"
The article represents that all 1989 cars were chargecooled SE cars. This is not accurate at all. The GM Delco fuel injection was introduced on the 1989 North American cars but many were built without chargecoolers. Particularly the early 1989 cars. I think the article should correctly represent the existance of 1989 Delco EFI non-chargecooled cars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tevend (talk • contribs) 06:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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Article updated to reflect cancellation of the Esprit project. Excessive details of the proposed car removed as now irrelevant.Mr Tangle (talk) 19:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I improved the layout since it didn't look so great. I also placed images in such a way they go with the test chronologically.
1. Since there are at least 5 generations, why not call the main sections "First generation" instead of "S1 (1976)" and so on?
2. Is the "New Esprit" considered a sixth generation Esprit?
3. Section "Essex Turbo Esprit (1980)" does not match the image that labeled "1980 Lotus Esprit Essex Turbo". The naming sequence should be consistent.
4. Finally, the Esprit designers should be followed by their generations. Instead of "Giorgetto Giugiaro", they should say something like "Giorgetto Giugiaro (1st/2nd/3rd generations).
ICE77 (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
I read the article and made improvements. I also spent a considerable amount of time comparing the production table (P), the list of designers (D) and this link: https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Models.htm (L). Please note the link does not include GT1 and GT2 models. Also, for some reason, Thomson is not listed along with Giugiaro and Stevens. As I put names of models, dates and production numbers side by side I see tons of discrepancies!
I will use P, D and L for the discussion below.
Giugiaro
1. The "S1" model dates here are given as 1975-1978 (P) and 1976-1978 (D) but I also read 1976-1978 (L). The article states "S1" models started in 1975 but production started in 1976. The box for "Series 1" models says 1976-1978. Dates should be consistent.
2. The "S2" model has dates 1978-1981 (P and D) but I also read 1978-1980 (L). It also has different production numbers: 1061 (P) and 1060 (L). The dates and the numbers should match.
3. The "JPS" model is missing (P) and it's repeated twice under Giugiaro (D). Were there really 2 "JPS" models? Also, the article says 149 "Commemorative Edition" Esprit cars were made (years not stated) but I read the "S2 JPS" model was produced in 1978-1979 with an estimated 147 cars (L).
4. The "Essex Turbo Esprit" model is missing (P). I see 1980 (D) and 1980-1981 with 34+11 units (L).
5. "S3" and "HC" models are not consistently listed which causes a lot of confusion and makes it hard to keep track of them (P and D). "S3" models were built in 1981-1987 (P), 1981-1987 (D - 81-86 for "S3" and 86-87 for "S3 HC") and 1981-1987 (L). "S3" model production was either 732 units (P) or 767 units (L). I read that "HC" models were built in 1980-1987 (P - I believe this should be limited to 86-87 so "HC" and "NA" should be split on two lines), 1986-1987 (D) and 1986-1987 (L). It's hard to tell what's the "HC" production since the "HC" models are lumped with "NA" models with 3155 units (P). The numbers seem to imply that 429 "Turbo Esprit" models were "HC"/"HCi" (L). I infer that "HC"/"HCi" models were built in 1986-1987 (429) and the rest was "NA" models (2726). However, "NA" models are not listed (D) and I don't understand what models are included in the "NA and HC" bundle (P) since "NA" stands for normally aspirated models for 1987-1990 (L). I can only guess "NA" models for 1980-1987 are a combination of "S3" and "S3 HC" models. I find production and designers sections quite out of synch and very confusing.
6. The dates for the "Turbo Esprit" models are not consistent. I read 1981-1987 (P) and 1981-1987 (D - 81-86 for "Turbo Esprit" and 86-87 for "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi"). In terms of production it seems "Turbo Esprit" numbers are 2909 (P) or 1845 (L) and 429 were "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi" models (L). I infer that the "Turbo Esprit" was built in 1981-1986 (2909 or 1845) and "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi" models were built in 1986-1987 (429). I cannot correlate the "Turbo Esprit" numbers (P has 2909 and L has 1845 since I calculate a difference of 1064 - I am comparing apples to apples since "Turbo Esprit HC" and "Turbo Esprit HCi" models are listed separately in both P and L).
Stevens
7. This article lists "Esprit (naturally aspirated) for 1988-1992 with 366 units (P) and "Esprit" for 1987-1990 under Stevens (D). This is certainly the version of the Esprit without turbo. I also read "NA" for 1987-1990 with 290 units (L). Names, dates and production data are inconsistent.
8. My understanding is that "Turbo Esprit" applies to 1981-1987 (Giugiaro) and "Esprit Turbo" applies to 1987-1990 (Stevens). This article shows "Turbo" (Esprit) for 1981-1987 and (Esprit) "Turbo SE" for 1987-1993 (P). This article, under Stevens, also shows "Esprit SE" for 1989-1991 (presumably "Esprit Turbo SE") (D) but I do not see an "(Esprit) Turbo" (just (Esprit) Turbo but not SE) for 1987-1990 period (P). Here's an image of a 1989 Lotus Esprit Turbo: https://img.pistonheads.com/LargeSize/lotus/esprit/lotus-esprit-S3058113-2.jpg. The names and the dates should be consistent.
9. The article lists "Turbo SE" for years 1987-1993 (P) and then "Esprit SE" for years 1989–91 (D). Isn't the proper name "Esprit Turbo SE"? This article has this image for a 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1991_Lotus_Esprit_Turbo_SE_(US_model),_rear_left_at_Greenwich_2018.jpg. I also found an image of an Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (not sure the year): https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Turbo_SE_White.jpg. Here's a 1990 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE: https://www.swva.co.uk/wp-content/themes/salient-child/resize.php?src=https://www.swva.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Espirit-2.jpg&w=1240&h=800&q=90&a=c&zc=1&s=1. In this article I read 1987-1993 (P) and 1989-1991 (D) while elsewhere I found 1989-1993 (L). The names and the dates are inconsistent.
10. The "Esprit S" is listed under Stevens (D) but not elsewhere (P and L). What are the production numbers?
11a. I read that the "X180-R" was produced in 1990 with 2+20 units (P) and that the "X180R" was produced in 1991-1992 (D). Elsewhere I read that the "X180-R" was produced in 1991 (L). Spellings and dates do not match.
11b. The article does not say anything about the "X180-R1" model (it actually says "Three more race cars were built for the 1991 season ... The new cars were designated Type 106, but adopted the X180R name as well"). It lists 3 units in 1991 (P) so I can only assume the "X180-R1" from 1991 (P) is lumped with "X180R" from 1990 (P) under "Esprit X180R" in 1991-1992 under Stevens (D). Spellings are inconsistent and dates do not match.
12. This article lists a model called "Esprit SE HighWing" for 1992-1993 which I don't think it even exists (D) and it probably falls under (Esprit) Turbo SE (P). I presume that is a Lotus Esprit Turbo SE that mounts a high rear wing like some of the Esprits from the Thomson generation (Sport 300, S4s or V8). I believe the model in question would be something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Esprit#/media/File:Schaffen_Lotus_Esprit_01.JPG. However, I'm not sure the Esprit in the photo is an "Esprit Turbo". It may be simply an Esprit (NA) model with a high wing.
13a. The "Sport 300" is listed for 1992-1995 (P), "Esprit Sport 300" for 1993 (D) and as "S300" for 1992-1995 (L). Dates do not overlap. Also, production numbers are different. The article says 50 but I read 64 (P and L).
13b. The "Sport 300" is listed under Thomson (D - 1993-1999) but those cars started production in 1992 (L) so I do not understand the discrepancy. The rims for the "Sport 300" models are distinctively different and fairly unique to the Thomson era so I am confused. Also, the article explains the "Sport 300" model in the "X180" section. I can only assume Stevens worked for a short period on the car and Thomson took from there and developed it. However, if that is the case, it should be stated and dates should be adjusted as well as classification under Stevens or Thomson (D).
13c. The "Sport 300" are clearly labeled as such. Is "S300" an unofficial equivalent?
14a. The article lists "S4" for the years 1993-2004 in the top box. I also read "S4" for 1992-1996 (P) and "Esprit S4" for 1993-1996 (D). Elsewhere, I read "S4" for 1992-1996 (L). The dates of production do not match".
14b. The article says "The S4 was succeeded in 1994 by the S4 Sport (S4s)". I then lists "S4s" for years 1994-1997 (P) and "Esprit S4s" for years 1995–96 (D). Elsewhere, I read "S4s" for years 1994-1997 (L). There is clearly an inconsistency with dates. It's either 1994-1997 or 1995-1996.
14c. Calling the "Series 4" "Lotus Esprit V8" is not correct since models like the "S4", "S4s" and "GT3" models have V4 engines.
15. The article lists "V8" for the years 1996-2004 in the top box. I read "V8" in 1994-2004 with 1237 units (P), "Esprit V8" in 1996-1998 (D) and "V8 (GT & SE)" in 1996-2001 with 1231 units (204 "GT" and 1027 "SE") (L). "V8 GT" dates do not match (P: 1997-2001 and D: 1998-2001). "V8" must be "V8 SE" (P) but numbers do not match (P: 1237 / L: 1027 - the difference is 210). I infer that "V8" (P) must include Thomson's "V8 SE" models (1027) and Carr's "V8" models (210). This is because 1237-1027=210 and 204 ("V8 GT") is a common number (P and L). Therefore "V8" (P) is listing two models with similar names ("V8 SE" and "V8") from two generations (Thomson and Carr). This does not sound right since they are different generations of designers and this is confusing. It makes it hard to keep track of the production numbers from a generation to another.
16. The "Sport 350" is listed in 1999-2001 with 42 units (P), 1999 only (D) and 1999-2001 with 54 units (L). The article mentions 50 units which is contradicting. Years and production do not match.
Thomson
17a. The article lists "Esprit V8" for 2002-2004 (D) which I proved it's lumped under "V8" with 210 units (P). Elsewhere, I read there is a model called "02" with 292 units so I assume "Esprit V8" and "02" are the same model. Production numbers are not available (P).
17b. How can you tell a "V8 GT" from a "VT SE"?
18a. The "GT1" section mentions that 3 cars were built and 2 of them were converted to "GT2" models . "GT1" models are not listed under Thomson (D). At a minimum, there should be a note to explain what I just summarized (P and D).
18b. The "GT1" section says "recently dissolved Team Lotus". I assume this is a reference to the Formula 1 team. If that is the case, it should be stated and the year should be added.
19. In the "In film and on television" section what does ".5" mean in "Silver 1989.5 Esprit SE"?
The evolution of the Esprit is truly fascinating. Although it was interesting to review model names, dates of production and production numbers, I struggled to reconcile labels and figures. I proved that several things are not properly aligned and I hope that somebody with knowledge and experience on the Esprit can shed some lights on the things I contested and correct this article accordingly.
ICE77 (talk) 10:05, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
I spent more time doing research and crossmatching several sources. I found these 3 links:
Reading multiple sources, it appears Lotus built 10675 Esprit models between 1976 and 2004. That appears to be the exact number.
While examining Y I notice that summing the last row the total is 10669 (short by 6) and summing the last column the total is 10676 (over by 1). There is certainly an error somewhere but the number is quite close and I think Y is the best representation for dates and numbers of production.
Z is mostly correct but I noticed these things:
The sum of all the numbers is 11019 (344 extra). Something is not right but it's also clear that the 1988 Esprit Turbo 40th Ann(iversary) and the Esprit V8 "02" are additions that I have not seen tracked anywhere so far. The 1988 Esprit Turbo 40th Ann(iversary) is not mentioned at all in this article. Image: 1988 Lotus Esprit Turbo 40th Anniversary
This article says 2 X180R cars have been built for racing in the SCCA Escort World Challenge series and 20 have been built for the road in 1990 (type 105). It also says 3 X180R were built for racing in 1991 (type 106).
Therefore, this:
should be replaced by this:
The Esprit S model is not mentioned at all so I wonder where it would fall under.
After crossreferencing I noticed that the sum of the models in the production table (P) would be 13400 (2725 extra). This is clearly wrong and this is likely due to overlap of different categories like HC or N/A and so on.
For P I confirm the numbers for these models: S1, S2.2, Turbo SE, S4, Sport 300, S4s, GT3, V8 GT and GT1.
For Y I confirm the numbers for these categories/models: Turbo, HCPI, INTRCL, S300, S4, S4s, GT3 and V8GT. If GMP4 of Y is the same thing as Esprit Turbo (X180) of Z I also confirm GMP4.
For Z I confirm the numbers for these models: S1, S2 "JPS", S2.2, Turbo Esprit, Essex Turbo Esprit, Turbo Esprit HCPI, Esprit SE, Esprit S300, Esprit S4, Esprit S4s, Esprit GT1, Esprit GT3 and Esprit V8 GT. If Esprit Turbo (X180) of Z is the same thing as GMP4 of Y I also confirm Esprit Turbo (X180).
Comparing P, Y and Z I cannot match numbers for these models: S2, S3, Esprit (NA)/Esprit N/A (X180), V8 and Sport 350. Some models are quite close in number like the S2 (off by 1) and the V8 (off by 6) but the numbers do not match. It is unfortunate that in Z the V8 SE is lumped together with the V8. From what I read, between 1981 and 1987 767 S3 Esprit cars were built (http://www.lotusespritworld.com/EModels/S3.html). That is close to the number provided by Z which has 763. P has 732 which appears off.
Also, summing all the normally aspirated numbers in Z produces 3066 which is 147 units above 2919 which, incidentally, is the number for N/A for Y. I don't know if this is a coincidence but 147 is the number of S2 JPS that maybe are unaccounted in Y. This is hard to tell - I don't have sufficient evidence but I am leaning towards Y being more accurate than Z so some numbers in Z may be overstated.
Note that both Y and Z claim to be official Lotus documents (two Lotus unofficial websites). I believe something is clearly out of sync and things are not properly documented. It is at this stage by all means clear to me that P is messed up and that D is mostly wrong. P and D are out of sync and they should be fixed. However introduced the table with the production numbers (P) should be ashamed of himself/herself because it's garbage.
ICE77 (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I am trying to understand/confirm the models/years for the following images. If you know, please let me know:
1. https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Stevens_Red.jpg
Label: 1991 Lotus Esprit (Stevens)
Comments: From the image I would say it's an Esprit (NA) since it says "ESPRIT", it does not have a hole in the front bumper and it lacks the rear spoiler. However, the 1991 tag does not seem right since the normally aspirated Esprit from Stevens's generation were not made past 1990 (unless it was produced in 1990 and sold in 1991).
2. https://www.aib-insurance.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Lotus_Esprit_6.jpg
Label: Lotus Turbo Esprit
Comments: Turbo Esprit? Maybe Esprit Turbo? Notice the bottom of the car is black.
3. https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_Turbo_SE_White.jpg
Label: Lotus Esprit Turbo SE
Comments: What is the year?
4. http://www.lotusespritturbo.com/Lotus_Esprit_S300_NA.JPG
Label: Lotus Esprit Sport 300 NA
Comments: It it correct? It looks to me like an S4s from the Thomson era because of the rims.
5. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/fd/23/bbfd23188ffae7c73f5365a0c481048d.jpg
Label: unavailable
Comments: What is the model? What is the year?
6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Esprit#/media/File:Schaffen_Lotus_Esprit_01.JPG
Label: Lotus Esprit (X180 redesign)
Comments: It looks like an Esprit (tag on the side) and and Esprit Turbo SE (hole in front bumper) with a big Thomson era rear spoiler. What is the model? What is the year?
7. https://www.lotusespritturbo.com/SE%202.JPG
Label: Lotus Esprit SE
Comments: Is it a Lotus Esprit Turbo SE?
8. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/e8/ee/02e8eed72f979736225bfeb94418668a.jpg
Label: Lotus Esprit V8
Comments: V8 (1996-1998), V8 GT (1998-2001) or V8 SE (1998-2001)? How can you tell them apart from each other?
In addition, I would like to make these comments:
The image at the top right is pretty ugly. I believe we can find a more glorious image for such a legendary car.
The image of the 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (USA) is pretty ugly. There is plastic under the back of the car … really? Let's replace the image.
ICE77 (talk) 10:33, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
I see Mr Ludicrous is claiming there is no ventilation in the engine bay. Big clue. Grab a screwdriver, drop it past the engine. Bend down, retrieve it from the floor. Rinse and repeat. That big hole under the engine provides cooling. Greglocock (talk) 06:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Dunno if this reproduction of a magazine article is a good enough source, but I'm going for yes it is. https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/topic/95509-esprit-s1s-that-were-assembled-in-south-africa/ Greglocock (talk) 22:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
German wiki entry on the assembler https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermotormakers . Here's a google translation " Company History Gerrie Steenkamp founded the company in Cape Town in 1976. He began assembling automobiles from Lamborghini and Lotus. [1] [3] [4] A change of legal regulations led to the end of this activity. [3] Altogether approximately 24 vehicles of both brands were created. [3] In 1990 a self-developed vehicle was presented. [2] [3] The brand name was Intermotormakers. [1] [3] In the same year the production ended. In 2010, the company was dissolved.
vehicles The company assembled Lamborghini Countach, Lamborghini Espada, Lotus Éclat and Lotus Elite. In addition, a Lamborghini Urraco is known from 1976, wearing an emblem of Intermotormakers. In addition, a lotus esprit is known.
In 1990, the Caracal was presented, designed by Nic de Waal. This was a roadster. A four-cylinder Volkswagen engine with a displacement of 1800 cc was placed behind the mid-engine seats. From this model emerged four prototypes.
"
Greglocock (talk) 22:54, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#Place_of_assembly_-CKD Greglocock (talk) 05:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
I found an image of a 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE Jim Clark Edition: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-lotus-esprit-5. I have seen other Lotus Esprit Turbo SE Jim Clark Edition on the Internet. Can anybody confirm that only 20 Jim Clark Edition cars have been built and that they are all 1991 Lotus Esprit Turbo SE? The Lotus Esprit Turbo SE Jim Clark Edition should be mentioned in the article.
ICE77 (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
I found images of these 1999-2000 Lotus Esprit V8 on the Internet:
According to this article the Thomson generation V8 models go from 1996 to 1998 and this is inconsistent. It should be corrected.
ICE77 (talk) 01:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Arguments about how to say the name need settling. Is it "espree" or the way its spelled 92.14.181.237 (talk) 09:37, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
"Espree" - it's a french word originally, means spirit. Greglocock (talk) 20:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)