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the overwhelming majority of "sources" are israeli, not credible ones, partly from government institutions! --Severino (talk) 18:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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of course, and the "global news service for jewish people" is a credible and neutral source as well, isn't it (you counted it to the sources which are not israeli)? ynet and haaretz are (of course) not as credible as NY times or quality newspapers just because they're mainstream in israel. --Severino (talk) 08:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
ynet even for israeli norms is right wing and sometimes they make it vividly clear [[1]] how biased they are.--Severino (talk) 11:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
what i rethink is to exchange arguments with you as the purpose of this discussion should be to improve the article. the sources on which this article is based are clearly one sided. oh, and the cited ynet article is indeed about a group that supports israel, but it's the way they report about it (for example: "they decided to help balance the results").--Severino (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
No.--Severino (talk) 20:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
"No." is not an argument that is likely to impress many people. NoCal100 (talk) 01:13, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Ha'aretz reports frequently on Israeli government mistakes, contradictions, lies, etc. As a pro-Palestinian person, I am pleased with the openness of its journalism. Just recently, Ha'aretz revealed that the current Operation Cast Iron was being planned for the past six months. I can understand being suspicious of certain sources, but casting aspersion on a source simply because it is Jewish or because it is Israeli goes beyond the normal need for caution in using sources. We really need to check ourselves for our own racism. PinkWorld (talk) 07:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
found an IMEMC article describing homemade rocket not listed in the article Homemade shell fired at a Kibbutz in the Negev http://www.imemc.org/article/55802 July 03, 2008 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies Israeli sources reported on Thursday that one Palestinian homemade shell was fired from the Gaza Strip at a Kibbutz in the Sha’r Ha-Negev Regional Council; no injuries were reported. So far, armed groups in Gaza have not issued any release claiming responsibility for the attack. ... The sources added that the shell landed in an open area in the Western Negev area, causing no damages or injuries. This is the second time a homemade shell has been fired since the beginning of this week. A homemade shell was fired earlier this week by a group calling itself the Hawks, one of the armed groups of Fateh movement. PinkWorld (talk) 07:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I'd say, that we should look for alternative sources to Jewish Telegraphic Agency and the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, which I wouldn't call unbiased on this issue. --Raphael1 20:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
what is the total death tall? can that be given? does it compare to the 300 palestinians the demons killed? Great Gall (talk) 13:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Can we remove this, seems like propaganda
He may be biased and wishes the information for propaganda purposes, but the total death toll is a useful fact that should be included. Is anybody aware of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.171.129 (talk) 00:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I do not have it. But I strongly suggest someone to go and have a look at this: it looks very unprofessional this way. I'll re-add my info: you fill out the blanks. Great Gall (talk) 17:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Qassam qassam kassam What's correct? Lastdingo (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
To my knowledge the terms are interchangeable due to the fact that we are translating from Arabic. There are also multiple versions of Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.171.129 (talk) 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I propose changing the title of this article to "List of rocket, missile and mortar attacks on Israel in 2008". This is a more accurate description of the article as at the moment it does not only feature Qassam attacks but also mortar attacks, general missile attacks, and A Katyusha attack.Directionless (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
English: http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/ipc_e007.pdf
Hebrew: http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/Hebrew/heb_n/pdf/ipc_007.pdf
Flayer (talk) 06:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reciprocal article anywhere (List of rocket and mortar attacks BY Israel in 2008)?
It seems to me that in the interests of neutrality there should be (tho' the list would sadly be rather long!)
I think on here it's only expected that articles are written from a neutral point of view. This does not mean that any article that might be seen by some to show one side in a conflict in a bad light needs to be balanced by an equal and opposite article about the other side. Neutrality and balance are not the same. However if you want to create an article naming every Palestinian killed by Israeli forces in 2008 please go ahead... it'll be quite a task: there were 225 killed in just one day in December. 80.176.88.21 (talk) 12:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
The article has the sentence "According to the Israeli military's count on December 27th, 3,000 rockets hit Israel since the beginning of the year." But if you add up the number in the "visual summary" table provided, you get 1704 rockets. Maybe this discrepancy should be explained. Perhaps the number is derived by adding rockets and mortars, or because there have been rockets fired from somewhere other than Gaza. It's unclear from the article.
The graphic table of rockets provides numbers that are inconsistent with the "visual summary" table. For example, table lists January as 136, but graphic as 241; February table 228, graphic 257; March table 103, graphic 196. Most of the numbers fail to match.
The heading of the "visual summary" says "Rockets and Mortars Launched from Gaza May-Nov '08." Yet it provides data from January to December. This may frustrate some readers concerned with accuracy.
There are other inconsistencies. The paragraph describing August lower down in the article lists numbers different from those in the tables at the beginning of the article.
pete212 (talk) 17:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
From the paragraph on Dec. 19th: "During the six month cease fire 329 rockets and mortar shells were fired."
Counting the rocket attacks against Israel in relation to the six months of cease fire seems to me to be a dubious move for wikipedia. This number comes from the source "The Six Months of the Lull Arrangement," produced by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Israel Intelligence Heritage & Commemoration Center.
This number is accurate. But it would also be accurate to write that between the beginning of the cease fire in June, and the Israeli operation against Hamas members on November 4th there were less than two dozen rockets fired.
If one is not reading carefully, it makes it seem that 300 plus rockets where fired over a six month period equally dispersed across those months. In fact, the vast majority of those attacks came after November 4th. We could be accurate and yet still be even more misleading if we said, for example, "3000 rocket and mortar attacks occurred during the year in which Hamas pledged a cease fire." That would also be true. And of course, we could count up the tonnage of munitions dropped on Gaza by Israel from November 4th to December 19th, and write, "during the six month cease fire X tonnes of bombs were dropped on Gaza."
I think this statement should be removed. Also, I don't advocate putting in anything regarding the lull between June 19th, and November 4th. Just provide the numbers in a clear way.
pete212 (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Looking at this article it seems to me that it mostly complies with WP guidelines and policies. However I am concerned that some of the dead are named, making those small sections able to be criticised as a possible memorial. WP:NOTMEMORIAL is important, the more so since this article has been cited in an AfD on a substantially different article as being "deletion fodder" too.
Is there a reason why some names have been left in? And might they be removed? Fiddle Faddle (talk) 00:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
In line with [Talk] discussions under the umbrella article Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel NPOV needs to be restored in these one-sided articles focussed solely on rocket attacks on Israel, without any context, motivations, response reasons or other balancing data. I will embark on a correction of this unacceptable NPOV imbalance. Erictheenquirer (talk) 09:03, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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