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What purpose do they serve? They are too big and should only be in the Cast section, only right at this time they are quite useless. Rusted AutoParts (talk) 0:53 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Rusted Auto Parts has again removed the photos from the article, with an edit summary of "again, these photos aren't exactly necessary. It's common to add photos after the film is released, but for now set pics are allowed" My request is for a better, policy-based explanation of why these photos should be excluded form the article. The edit summary seems to imply that there is a policy or guideline or some official statement of consensus that photos of cast members shouldn't be included in an article about a film until after the film is released. I have tried to review the relevant guidelines at WP:FILM and have been unable to find any such written consensus. WP:FILMNFI says that "Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, so free images are preferred in its articles". All of the images I have tried to add are freely licensed. It says nothing about excluding cast photos until release. WP:FILMSHOT has a similar statement, "Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia, so whenever possible, articles under WikiProject Films should contain free content." The images I want to add comply with this, and nothing is said there discouraging cast photos before release.
Saying "these photos aren't exactly necessary" isn't a valid argument to keep them out, as no content we add is "necessary" on Wikipedia, and everything we do here is voluntary.
As for the statement that it is "common to add photos after the film is released"; in a few minutes of searching, I found these articles about unreleased films that include cast photos:
If the statement "for now set pics are allowed" is intended to imply that cast photos are not allowed, then I ask Rusted Auto Parts to quote any such policy or guideline or statement of consensus. Otherwise, please leave the photos in the article, because there is no consensus to exclude them. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Will he be in this, considering he was Lincoln's runoning mate. RAP (talk) 4:29 29 November 2011 (UTC)
This is one of the worst articles I have ever seen. What's with the cast section and all the pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.163.151 (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
it was announced on the DreamWorks Studios website that 20th century fox will co-finace the movie with DreamWorks and will distriube the movie internationally while DreamWorks will distruibe the movie Through Touchstone Pictures in the US — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.199.179.94 (talk) 20:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Since this film has many historical figures, I would recommend using a table for the "Cast" section to list the actors, the roles, and brief descriptions. I don't think the article benefits from the bullet format. Any prose (like for Day-Lewis and Field) can be grouped after the table.
I would also recommend removing the track listing per MOS:FILM#Soundtrack: "Track listings for film scores are generally discouraged since the score is usually composed by one person and the score's tracks are generic descriptions of scenes from the film." Track listings are better for identifying and linking to multiple artists (and songs if possible). I don't think this particular listing benefits the readership; if certain songs stand out, they can be discussed in prose. Erik (talk | contribs) 15:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
The paltry 944,000 stated makes it look like a financial failure. Is there some way to state that this is the opening box office?1archie99 (talk) 01:19, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
See also Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter? Seems a bit irrelevant, would suggest removing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildasha (talk • contribs) 20:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
While the article lists raving reviews the reality is that not everyone is enamored with the film. To me "Lincoln" is more fiction told through a single lens and I'm not the only one who thinks this. I'd suggest letting the reader know that this is a film based on the myth of Lincoln and isn't an entirely accurate portrayal of the events and include mixed/negative reviews by people like historian Thomas DiLorenzo. Here are a few articles that may be of benefit A general history, DiLorenzo's take on the film. Coinmanj (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be some controversy regarding the inclusion of [http://www.amren.com/features/2012/11/spielbergs-lincoln/ this] review, written by Alec Ryan in the American Renaissance website. One editor removed the review, categorizing website as racist, and then another editor added it back, categorizing the editor who removed it as racist. Putting aside my own opinions on the whole racism thing, I've removed the review based on general policy, per WP:EL, that individual reviews don't properly belong in the External Links section of the movie's article. Per discussion, the consensus feeling is that such a link might be acceptable if the article does not yet have a substantive Reception section. But assuming a Reception section is available, then individual reviews, if notable, should be summarized and cited there, rather than linked to in External Links. This article, of course, has a Reception section.
With regard to what makes a review notable enough to either link to if there is no Reception section, or summarize and cite if there is one, a simple standard is whether the review's author is a professional movie reviewer. Based on an admittedly hasty Google search, I found no evidence that Mr. Ryan is a professional movie reviewer. Assuming that is correct, my judgment would be that his review is not appropriate for inclusion in either form. If it turns out, though, that he is in fact a professional movie reviewer, then mention of his review should be made by summarizing and citing it in the Reception section. Mwelch (talk) 22:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Seeing as the section covering the opinions of historians on the film is rather small at this point, I just thought I'd point out that James M. McPherson, who wrote the Pulizter prize-winning "Battle Cry of Freedom", sounded off on the movie in an interview with the L.A. Times. He noted some minor quibbles - the worst offender being scene where Lincoln slapped his eldest son Robert after an argument - but overall he praised the film as being "closer to reality. This shows Lincoln's exhaustion, his gauntness — and his storytelling."
Hari Jones, the curator of the African American Civil War Museum, had a very positive reaction to film and posted a detailed review of the film's historicity on the museum's blog. He praised the film as being "an outstanding exploration into how the 13th Amendment got passed in the House of Representatives. The movie followed the historical script so well that it was almost boring... The movie had a documentary quality to it that was complimented by excellent acting. The more familiar one is with the Congressional Globe and Lincoln’s papers, both accessible at Library of Congress websites, the more impressed one is with the historical accuracy of the film." He also took Prof. Kate Masur's review of the film in the NY Times to task, declaring that "Masur’s interpretive choice would have added affirmative action fiction to Spielberg’s Lincoln. Professor Masur’s recommendation that Frederick Douglass be portrayed in the movie is an interpretive choice that would have made the movie less factual. The focus of the movie was on the passage of the 13th Amendment. Douglass did not have a role in getting the amendment passed in January 1865. His monthly had even ceased publication by then. The professor’s review was essentially an admonishment to Hollywood to do what Glory did and make history fiction in order to get the token Negro in the inner circle of the film’s main character. And, of course, when it comes to contemporary Civil War scholarship at our finest institutions, Frederick Douglass is the affirmative action inner circle Negro. Fortunately, Spielberg did not lend his talents to such fiction." 173.172.24.219 (talk) 15:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
In two places in the plot summary, it is stated that Lincoln feared rapid readmission of the southern states to the Union, as this would enable them to block ratification of the 13th amendment. While this is a desideratum raised by Alexander Stephens at Lincoln's meeting with the Confederate commissioners, Lincoln quickly dismisses this by noting that the northern states are unanimous to ratify, and that several southern states (e.g., Louisiana), once reconstructed, would also ratify. Lincoln does not fear the possibility, because he doesn't think it possible. He wishes to eliminate slavery for the reasons noted in the film and the other parts of the plot summary; rapid southern readmission and consequent blocking of ratification is not one of them. I have thus altered both passages. This is all fide the film, of course; how historically accurate the film is is a separate matter.MayerG (talk) 05:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC) (Stephens' name correctedMayerG (talk) 05:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC))
Since the academic section mentions a number of sources that identify historical inaccuracies. A useful (sub)section would be a list/table of claimed inaccuracies, and the source. This film will definitely be used in classrooms, so a list of possible historical glitches would be helpful for teachers and students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ted.strauss (talk • contribs) 00:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Sagamore Online is a high school newspaper. Does this citation really belong in this section? I think not. Jrgilb (talk) 04:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Is it time to split the "Accolades" section into its own article, similar to List of accolades received by Slumdog Millionaire? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:03, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Somebody is harming this page by adding their attempt to find Punjabi subtitles for their torrent. I am not good at wiki editing to find out who it is, report them and to revert the section but I am sure someone on here is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.131.44 (talk) 10:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that the info box does not list the November 16, 2012 wide release date. Disney is a client of my employer, so while I don't edit Disney-related Wikipedia articles, I would like to propose a change to add the missing wide release date to the info box. Here are a few sources supporting this proposed addition: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/steven-spielberg-and-daniel-day-lewis-speak-with-abcs-diane-sawyer-in-their-only-joint-television-interview-about-the-movie-lincoln/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443272/?ref_=sr_1 http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/12-new-lincoln-photos-as-film-heads-towards-wide-release-wide-acclaim-20121115
Thanks very much, please let me know if there is any other way I can help to facilitate this change.
Jbettigo (talk) 22:24, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your response Erik, the infobox guidelines clearly show that the earliest release date is the one to be posted in the infobox so you are 100% right. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
Jbettigo (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
It would be good, considering the film is supposed to be historical, to have a section (like they do with films such as Alexander and King Arthur), a detailed historical section so the reader can know which parts are on the money and which are Spielberg's dreams at work. --Inayity (talk) 11:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
http://www.npr.org/2013/02/07/171413251/conn-congressman-petitions-spielberg-to-change-states-voting-record-in-lincoln — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.15.52 (talk) 22:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Here's an interview of screenwriter Tony Kushner with Bill Moyers, about the film, it might provide some new insights.. "Tony Kushner on Abraham Lincoln and Modern Politics (with Bill Moyers)". Moyers & Company. December 21, 2012. --Ekabhishektalk 09:23, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
This is in the "see also" section, but there are no reviews (scholarly or otherwise) cited in the article which actually accuse the movie of being this type of narrative.
Since this is kind of a loaded critical term, it seems to me we would be better to either 1) remove this link from the "See also" section or 2) actually find a review criticizing "Lincoln" for bring this type of film, and include that review in the article's body under the reaction section somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.166.177 (talk) 09:42, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure I can't do anything to make sure it happens as of now as I don't have the blu-ray yet so I don't have access to behind the scenes featurettes.
But I'm just wondering if this article has a chance of being featured some day? I'd love to see it at the main page some day. The movie is about one of the most iconic Americans after all. Blaze The Movie Fan (talk) 01:29, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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IMO, this article might be appropriate for a fanzine, but is poorly written for an encyclopedia, mostly because there are too many extraneous tidbits included. I will try to improve the article some. AAABBB222 (talk) 19:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
I've removed the link to the film's official site, as it no longer exists. – AndyFielding (talk) 09:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)