The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KenWalker | Talk 07:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 21:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The artice has been heavily edited & expanded by Tal's son, Etan Tal, which is obviously a major WP:COI violation. The full list of compositions seem rather excessive and over power the article..perhaps they should be a standalone article - created by someone rather less close to the subject.78.86.25.78 (talk) 11:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Please see WP:COI I believe that you are editing this article to promote your father. regards 78.86.25.78 (talk) 03:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article on behalf of the Composers project. While the article is B class, I find it has issues, especially in the musical commentary, with balance and sourcing (and the above-mentioned peacock term). My detailed review is on the comments page. Magic♪piano 14:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
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;Composers Project Assessment of Josef Tal: 2009-11-25
This is an assessment of article Josef Tal by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.
Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?
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Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?
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While I am aware of the discussions about conflict of interest, I have tried to keep my review above those accusations. I believe that better sourcing and citation of things that are clearly opinions is needed in this article for Mr. Tal's son to stay clear of those accusations. The first sentence ("Josef Tal is considered among the founding fathers of Israeli music.") is a good example of such a sentence. Who considers him such? Later in the article is a harsh critical comment -- does that reviewer think this? The whole section on his musical style is significantly lacking in sources to clearly unbiased third parties. While the quotations by Tal are generally interesting, they ought to be balanced by more commentary from third parties. (For example, a quick search of Google Books turns up =hHdSNJ1a45sC&lpg=PA7&dq=Hirshberg%20Josef%20Tal&lr=&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=Hirshberg%20Josef%20Tal&f=false this source among others, which might be useful.) The basic bones of the biography are adequate. A little more could be told about his childhood musical environment, but we know where he lived, and when, and what his professional positions were. The lead (per WP:LEAD) is deficient -- it should summarize the article, and it should also note his professional roles beyond composer (pianist, conductor, teacher), even if they were not what he saw as his avocation. I found the footer material to be somewhat confusingly organized. There are standard names for footer sections (see WP:LAYOUT) that make it clear what materials were used as sources in writing the article, and inline notes and citations ought to be separated (especially if there are a significant number of notes as opposed to citations, as is the case here). Lastly, the list of compositions is long, taking nearly half the article length. It should be moved to List of compositions by Josef Tal and summarized here. I give the article a B rating, but the article needs work to improve WP:MOS adherence as well as sourcing and balance in the musical commentary. Magic♪piano 14:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC) == Discussing Comments by Magic♪piano ==
Other references to support my editing (although in a different phrasing) are:
I looked at Arnold Schoenberg article where the 2nd paragraph states: "Schoenberg was also a painter, an important music theorist, and an influential teacher of composition" (my underscoring). It does not seem to me that one will ask for references to support these adjectives. It will belittle Schoenberg if one does, because it is a common knowledge by the professional community, and does NOT require any support. It might also be considered as redundant "overciting" by Wikipedia standards. Now comes the comparison issue: One might say both figures (Tal and Schoenberg) are not to be compared. This is not for me to answer but for the professional musicologists. Since several of them (cited above) already answered the question, it seems to be logical (for me, anyway) to assume this is definitely NOT a peacock phrase. On the other hand, it is now clear to me that some of these references should be included in the article's Further Reading list. This will hopefully balance our POV regarding this issue. I ask you to reconsider this section of your review. Some of your other recommendations are already performed (without hesitations!), others will be discussed here later. Etan J. Tal 22:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Etan J. Tal (talk • contribs)
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