re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox#Knox_and_Queen_Mary
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== Knox and Queen Mary ==
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They did fuck at one time Queen Mary returned to Scotland in Aug., 1561, thoroughly predisposed against Knox; while he and the other Reformers looked upon her with anxiety and suspicion. Fundamental differences of character and training made a keen encounter between the two inevitable. Five personal interviews between Knox and the queen are recorded (each at Mary's invitation).
I am having trouble understanding this phrase: The last time he stood in her presence, Knox put it to her if he had ever spoken an offensive word in any one of their interviews. The Queen, thus appealed to, could not, and did not say that he ever had.
Can someone with a better knowledge of what their relationship was like, please re-write this passage? Thanks --Julien Deveraux 17:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand this line: "whom John Calvin described as suavissima". I can't find the term "suavissima" in my dictionary and a google search only reveals scientific (bird species) or several non-English usages. A link to a definition should be given.
I created an opening paragraph which tries to follow the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) - in particular I spelt out what he did and therefore why he is significant. I moved most of the existing opening paragraph - discussion of date and place of birth - to Early Life.
Overall I find the style of the article dated and somewhat non-NPOV. Consider this description of his final illness:
"all the noblest and best men of Scotland hung about his house for tidings of the progress of his malady, in the vain hope of his being longer spared."
Is there someone with a better knowledge of Scottish and Presbyterian history who could update it?
--Cje 08:49, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
A line in the first section read "It that in 1543 Knox had not yet divested himself of Roman orders;". I have taken a guess at the intended meaning here and changed it to "It seems that in 1543 Knox had not yet divested himself of Roman orders;". Anyone with better knowledge of the topic please correct if necessary.
A sentence under "Conversion to Protestantism" reads "According to Calderwood, Thomas Guillaume, a native of East Lothian, the order of Blackfriars and for a short time chaplain to the Regent Arran in 1543, was the first "to give Mr. Knox a taste of the truth."" Should this instead read something like "...a member of the order of Blackfriars..."? I have no idea what the "order of Blackfriars" might be, but it doesn't sound like a title given to a single person.
Lastly, in the section "Knox and Queen Mary," the last sentence is rather mystifying to me. It currently reads: "Later his heart became wholly hardened toward the adulterous accomplice, as he believed, of her husband's murderer." I have read over the entry for Queen Mary, and am guessing this is just referring back to Queen Mary in regards to James Hepburn, 4th Earl of Bothwell possibly killing her husband. --Jarsyl 03:06, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
I have made a stab at updating some of language, it was very 1911EB I'm guessing. If nobody objects I'll try and do the same with the other sections, over time, eventaully. Grinner 12:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
It is somewhere written Wishaw instead of Wishart here - why? --193.179.187.70 08:53, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
What was the source for this section? It disagrees with a history of Scotland I've recently read. It's called The History of Scotland, and was published in 1888 by T. Nelson and Sons. Here is what it has to say:
Of course, this is hardly written from a neutral point of view; the author was The Rev. James Mackenzie, who wrote in the second paragraph of the preface "The religious element in Scottish History, from the Reformation to the Revolution, is well-nigh everything. It is hard to understand how any man not sympathizing with the religion of Scotland could write her history fairly."!
However, it should be noted that he doesn't claim Knox never upset Queen Mary. Later, the book talks about Knox denouncing Mary's plans to marry Don Carlos, son of Philip II. of Spain, allegedly to secure a foothold for Spain in Scotland, so that Scotland, Spain, and France could invade England and put down Protestantism there. The Queen summoned Knox, and clearly expressed her anger.
Also, as I think someone else mentioned, there is still the problem in the current article of the unintelligibility of the last sentence of the section on Knox and Queen Mary. T J McKenzie 10:25, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
I note that some people seem to have assumed that the "old encyc" from which the original version of this article was copied was the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica. However, as you will see here, the EB entry was much more comprehensive, and bears little resemblance. It was, in fact, copied from The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge; specifically, this page, as far as I can tell. This gives us at least one thing to attribute opinions to when making this section (or, indeed, any of the rest of the article) NPOV. T J McKenzie 04:46, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Was Knox an influence on the CovenantersThere does seem to some overlap in time but neither mentions the other , either of support or opposition -- Paul foord 02:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The link, in the early life section, to his pupil John Cockburn is incorrect. It leads to one of his descendants (1700s).
Many articles state that he was very very close to Thomas Guillaume before he died and also George Wishart and tales that he was infatuated with Richard Ballantyne,also that he hated women and that he regulary insulted the Blessed Mary and also Queen Mary. Was he an out Homosexual? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.70.113 (talk • contribs)
AJ Balmforth (talk) 11:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)