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Mr. Bolton has denied in many interviews that he is a neoconservative, so please stop including "neoconservative" in his Bio. Having his foreign policy views does not automatically make him a neoconservative. Thank you. Well, he stop stop acting and talking like a neocon.
This article just reeks of liberal bias all the way through. The over emphasis on the confirmation hearings, for instance. This section is much much longer than the summary of his actual time in the job. In the veiw of liberals the most imporatnt thing about any conservative is the mud that far-left political partisans were able to throw at them, all lovingly footnoted as if this somehow makes it true or balanced. Wow, we get a whole section some form he filled out incorrectly. Yes, boys and girls, it is WATERGATE II, THE SMOKING GUN, The PROOF we have been waiting for to IMPEACAH BUSH.
The leftis bias is only a little more subtle, than the anti-semites who claimed that Boulton is Jewish (a hidden crypto-Jew no doubt).
Accusations of false statement On July 28, 2005 it was revealed that a statement made by Bolton on forms submitted to the Senate was false. Bolton indicated that in the prior five years he had not been questioned in any investigation, but in fact he had been interviewed by the State Department's Inspector General as part of an investigation into the sources of pre-war claims of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. After insisting for weeks that Bolton had testified truthfully on the form, the State Department reversed itself, stating that Bolton had simply forgotten about the investigation.[65]
Oh, yeah, that's really important! Well done. He may have cheated on a sixth grade math test too, who knows.
It's articles like this that bring Wikipedia down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.224.23.32 (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
"Several shouting matches broke out between audience members, including Amherst College president Anthony Marx and sponsoring faculty member Professor Hadley Arkes, and the hecklers." Does this mean that it was the president and professor versus the hecklers, the president versus the professor and the hecklers amongst themselves, or what? Just want to be clear. OneGyT/T|C 01:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The information belongs because Flynt raised it in good faith as a comment on the content of John Bolton's character. If right-wingers are at all sincere when they say that a man should be judged not on the color of his skin (or his goddamn mustache for that matter) but on the content of his character, then unresolved testimony which is public record needs to be part of a truly neutral biography.
Bolton could have but did not produce his ex-wife to deny the allegations, therefore the text belongs in a neutral article, because it was an important question raised during the confirmation hearings. It belongs for the same reason Anita Hill belongs in an article about Clarence Thomas.
Anita Hill is mentioned 8 times in the wikipedia article about Clarence Thomas, therefore this article, to be NPOV, has to mention Plato and his famous retreat.
I have restored the section and rewrote it.
Spinoza1111 22:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Hell with it if you guys are physically afraid of John Bolton's wrath. I could reinsert the section but for now I shall content myself with correcting the entry concerning his doubtful nomination for the Nobel prize and gathering info about Lynne Finney...whose treatment by Bolton is of a piece with his probable behavior at Plato's Retreat. John Bolton is a cheap thug with deep control issues, especially around women.
Spinoza1111 06:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)I have rewritten my comment to remove references to "pussies" per your admonishment re civility. I agree. Let the Boltons of this world be "blunt" and run their mouths.
Just because public figures cannot prosecute such libel or slander as the Flynt and Finney comments does not make them true. They were partisan shots that first appeared in anti-Bolton blogs, of the sort "let's just say something and see if it flies, let's throw something from the barnyard and see if it sticks." They were based on no credible evidence, and Bolton and the State Dept. properly declined to respond. It is inappropriate to print them in an "encyclopedia" article. Bolton has made some clever quotable quotes and sometimes spoken bluntly, but he has never shown the incivility and crudity in language of these anonymous comments here. Sompdimp 09:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
"I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost," but he loves his children at his graduation in 1970, while other "student speakers compared the United States to pre-Nazi Germany" Bolton "sounded a contrarian theme."
Does this make sense to anybody? And if I'm not crazy, then what is it supposed to say? Mrmctorso 22:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
John Bolton was not an idiot, and saw that growing anti-war sentiment was winning the people and government over. He supported the war, but did not want to fight since by that time the war was winding down and withdrawal was inevitable.
Spinoza1111 10:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Well, he'd get a Nobel Peace Price when hell freezes over. But, then again, Henry Kissinger shared the prize with Le duc Tho of North Vietnam, so thugs can get this bauble. But based on the unsourced nature of the claim, if this clown gets a section labeled ooooo Nobel Peace Prize, then he also deserves, in the interest of being Fair and Balanced, a section on Plato's Retreat.
Spinoza1111 10:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Oliver Cromwell famously told the limner, paint me, Sir, warts and all. John Bolton would do well, if he reads his own section in Wikipedia, as many of these big shots do late at night when the porno pages pall and satiety sets in, NOT to gnaw his white mustache, and to reflect that a Great Man, to which status so many neo-cons aspire so that they can be in histree books, would, like Cromwell, rise above mere vanity and admit that he heard chimes at midnight, and dragged his first wife to Plato's Retreat, where in the scummy pool she beat on his hairy chest in protest against whatever unspeakable acts he made her perform.
It is claimed that Bolton has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. While this has been cited by many websites (the article links to yahoo news) it has not been discussed in ANY reputable news organizations. Even a simple google news search yields no resutls; a lexis search similarly shows no major papers reporting this. I did not completely remove the addition made, though I qualified it significantly. I do not know if it should be deleted or not since it cannot be verified completely (the Nobel institute does not officially reveal nominations until 50 years have elapsed). But that it has not been touched at all by the likes of the New York Times or Washington Post implies that not much stock is placed on this claim. --Ampersand
--Ampersand 07:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
--Ampersand 20:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Not only do "leaks" happen, but those who do the nominating are free to talk about their nominations as Per Ahlmark had done the day before I inserted this item in the article. Because it was in my print version of the WSJ, I knew it would never fly here so I provided the 4 other sources. Laughably, despite their credibility, and all the crap I've seen on Wikipedia from Daily Kos, the 4 were still not accepted. Then, I hit upon a free reprint of the WSJ Article.[1] If you'd like to see the original primary soure version, you're going to have to cough up some Jake. But here is a link that will get you there [2] ---Kirby Morgan
--Ampersand 19:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
There has been some conflict (and a lot of invective) over the paragraph about Bolton being Jewish is anti-semitic, or simply false. The issue seems to now be resolved, so I've deleted the flame war. Davemcarlson 08:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
A Google search turned up many claims that he holds dual US-Israeli citizenship and could therefore be qualified as a Zionist supremacist, including one MSNBC blog entry from June 2008, which has not been censored/deleted [boards.msn.com/thread.aspx?ThreadID=706111]. As Joe Biden said in his obsequiously fawning speech to AIPAC, a rigmarole that all US politicians have to submit to to ensure selection to any elected or unelected position in the US (despite the fact that around 1% in the US actually subscribe to this aberrant creed), "You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist." If true, and the evidence certainly confirms his undying support for Israel and what it represents as the planet's "roguest" nation, this merits mention in the article lead. On a personal note, after watching many interviews (especially the one with John Pilger when some US army dolt intervenes to declare the interview over when Pilger brings up civilian fatalities resulting from US imperialism), this gent is the very worst that that sad yet once proud nation has to offer to the international stage. I stand corrected: how could I forget George Walker Bush! The stuff of legend, to be sure, and an idiot by any (sub)standard! 86.101.109.156 (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
John Bolton's Religion is Lutheran Is there a source for Biography he is converted to Judaism ?
There is no proof that he is Jewish. I work for the Public Relations department of McDonogh School, his high school alma mater. We interviewed him for McDonogh Magazine mere weeks before the nomination (after which point, as is customary, he did not give interviews) and nowhere in his biography did Judaism come up. I also edited the wiki article and linked to a story from the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs that specifically refers to him as not Jewish (it comments upon the irony of his pro-Israel stance given that fact).
Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity/culture. Just because prominent figures such as Robert Novak converted to Christianity, does not mean that they gave up their Jewish identity. The State of Isreal was founded as a secular movement to benefit the Jewish people (like the American people, French people, ..., which is irrespective of the stated religion of the person.) This is a common misunderstanding of Judaism to think it means the same thing as saying I am a Lutheran or Catholic, etc. It means identifying with a culture.
While Bolton may not be ethnically Jewish, he "identifies with the culture." He is affiliated with the the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA); and as a neo-con he is part of Richard Perle's American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (Perle worked with Douglas Feith in Israel in 1996 for Benjamin Natanyahu).
I've removed reference to Bolton being Jewish. It should stay that way unless proper sources to the contrary can be found. Rd232 12:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I corrected the introductory sentence, which continued to call Bolton "a Jewish American". Where are the impartial editors? Do we say a "Lutheran American"??? Why was this allowed to stick for over a year? What point was someone trying to make? Sompdimp 01:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Advice and consent simply means confirmation. The two terms are interchangeable.
Sometimes a filibuster is used to block a confirmation.
When a confirmation is blocked through a filibuster, advice and consent is blocked as well, because the terms (confirmation/advice and consent) are synonymous.
The appointment of ambassadors is a presidential power, by Article II, Section 2 of the US Constitution. US Constitution Article II
Many believe that means that Advise and Consent, must be given or not given by vote. The use of filibuster blocks this vote, and violates the meaning of the constitution and the separation of powers. Please show a ruling by the supreme court to the contrary or list your statement as opinion. Vince 17:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The article references an article that J Bolton wrote for his 25th class reunion. It states: He wrote in his Yale 25th reunion book [["I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy. I considered the war in Vietnam already lost." [1]]] The reference is to an article that quotes from his writings. I would be very interested if anyone could directly link to the reunion book. I would love to read the actual text.
I did a Google search and saw similar references, but not the reunion book statements. http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/02/26_witness.html http://www.uh.edu/~jrosin/John%20Kerry%20Vietnam%20Speech.htm http://modelminority.com/article682.html While the statement seems to be commonplace reference of the times, and probably an apt evaluation of the situation, I would rather have a primary source, that a secondary one, so that the statement can be read in context.- Vince 02:32, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Here is a link to a picture in the campus directory, in uniform, but no such statement... http://www.amcneil.com/OC70/pages/Blum.htm Vince 02:44, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Correct, but thought it interesting that his picture was in uniform. Obviously, despite the sentiment of the time, http://www.yalerotc.org/Protest.html ,he was proud of the uniform. Vince 03:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Here is another reference to this same statement, again without context. http://slate.msn.com/id/2117827/ Here is my problem with this technique. In court hearsay is inadmissible. And while Gamaliel referenced it properly, this Slate reference does not. It sounds like a '70 article in the Yale Daily News. To have a statement like that, without proper context could be misleading, borderline so in the Wikipedia entry.- Vince 01:12, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
I have reinserted the NY Times reference. here is a direct quote: "At commencement, student speakers compared the United States to pre-Nazi Germany and called for an immediate end to the war in Vietnam.
But one student sounded a contrarian theme."
This is a direct reference to the contemporaneous situation -Vince
The biography section appears to be in complete disarray. Is there any organizational theme there at all?
In the interests of this article being NPOV, we should really have links to the same number of critical commentary external links as favorable. (Wikipedia guidelines) I suggest that we limit it to 4 of each, so this doesn't get out of control.
Any objections? --BaronLarf 22:46, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
That should be fine, although I don't think we need to be particularly draconian about enforcing it. If there are five distinct arguments on either side, that's fine with me. I do think that article trimming should be done by someone that supports that particular side (i.e. that "bolton-ites" should manage the pro-bolton articles and "anti-boltonites" should manage the anti-bolton articles) so each side gets to present its best arguments. That's just a guideline, though. I doubt there's a way of enforcing it. Dave 03:40, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
Fox News does not count as NPOV. This article is being cooked with propaganda.
Why should there be an equal number of pros and cons about any issue? Suppose we had to do that for: murder, heroism, child abuse, fighting for freedom, or against tyranny? In an open discourse, if the pros outweigh the cons or vice versa, then you come to a clear conclusion. If you stack the cards so that only X number of pros or cons are allowed, then you're assuring that there will be no winners and no losers. And no decision will be made. If you really want an open discourse, let all the parties express their pros and cons. It's called freedom of speech. Is that so hard? JohnMarkStrain 12:12, Apr 28,2005
This article is in pretty shabby shape considering that Bolton's nomination is front-and-center in the news right now. Parts of the structure are very unclear- the "Other" section under "Undersecretary of Arms Control" reads like the section was meant to be "Other criticisms of Bolton while he was in this position". Praise and criticism, although sometimes well sourced, are mixed into sections that ought to be simple listings of happenings and accomplishments. This has the effect of giving individual sections and the article as a whole an appearance of non-neutral POV.
It's likely worth reorganizing the article to simply list chronology, happenings, etc for each of his roles at the top as an extension of biography and include subsections for criticisms and defenses under the confirmation subsection. I hesitate to make structural changes that drastic without some guidance and support (or at least go-ahead) from more experienced Wikipedians. In the mean-time, I'll at least try to clean up individual POV issues and shabby sourcing. Suggestions?
I think this article is impossible. Left-wing editors remove facts that they disagree with; Right-wing editors remove facts they disagree with. Maybe Wikipedia should avoid current politics altogether? I don't see how the removal of facts can be repeatedly sanction because of "NPOV". Facts are by definition NPOV.
Facts are hypothetically NPoV. In practice, selective phrasing and structuring can emphasize some facts while underplaying others, without making any actual omissions. Nonetheless, this entry would be incomplete were we not to include both sides of the controversy. I agree with the second of the above users: Split the article into a streamlined "just the totally undisputed facts" section, and a whole bunch of "controversy/critiques" subsections.
I propose that the word "ironically" be stricken from this entry. It implies that the authors perspective is perfect and that the entry's presentation of Mr. Bolton's behavior takes into account the true reasons for all of his actions. The author would have to be a mind reader to do that.
"Ironically" could easily be replaced with "Some find it odd or concerning that....", and any claims to neutrality would remain unscathed.
As is, this entry on John Bolton is a political hit piece. It will affect both ends of the political spectrum by energizing the left's warpath and reinforcing right wingers' belief that the left is out to get anyone and everyone who is conservative or neoconservative. For those of us who want to know what all the fuss is about, and are critical thinkers who don't buy every attempt at character assisination we see without having an establishment of credibility first, this entry provides almost no useful information whatsoever.
This entry proves that the left hates John Bolton, but it doesn't rationally explain why. It merely repeats talking points. If Mr. Bolton does something that doesn't quickly make sense to me, I question it. I want to know why, in case he had a good reason for doing something that at first glance might appear to be hypocrisy or unethical. Any political hack can smear any public official. It takes patience, not talent to watch somebody and catch them doing something that they can use against them. Wouldn't wikipedia be great if it was a place where you could find out why, and perhaps avoid a rash judgment by being programmed by propagandists?
"This entry ... merely repeats talking points." Facts, mostly well-sourced, not talking-points. Dispute specific ones, or point to the omission of others. Light a candle, don't curse the damned darkness. Rd232 13:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to remove these tags (hence collecting these comments together). Can those who have objections to doing so without changes to the article please make or propose such changes. Rd232 12:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't be too kind to Bolton, there is nothing NPOVish about his extremely controversial history and appointment and that is being kind.
Be that as it may, the idea is to let the facts speak for themselves, not drive the conclusions home. Even if said conclusions are agonizingly obvious.
What information in this article supposedly isn't factual, and when can we fix it so as to eliminate the tag? T-mccool 15:35, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
I apologize for modifying this article without primary sources.
As a pathetic justification, I shall add that John Bolton is a neo-conservative and should not be confused with a paleo-conservative (why should paleo be necessary). John Bolton should not be referred to as "conservative" as the term conservative implies a history that the neo-conservative movement does not possess, as they themselves admit. One belief of neo-conservatives is that lying to the people is not only acceptable, but is desirable. For this reason, I feel that it is balanced to mention the criticism of cooking the WMD intelligence, leading the US into war.
In response to "how is lying acceptable," from: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/08/29/071022.php
The Neoconservatism movement is built upon the notion that it's better to get people to believe in "noble lies" than have them unsettled by the truth. The father of Neoconservatism, Leo Strauss, argued that:
"Contemporary liberalism was the logical outcome of the philosophical principles of modernity, as practiced in the "advanced" nations of the Western world in the 20th century. He believed that contemporary liberalism contained within it an intrinsic tendency towards relativism, which in turn led to the nihilism that he saw as permeating contemporary American society." -- Wikipedia on Leo Strauss
Thus, for Strauss, overcoming relativism was of primary importance.
"Strauss noted that thinkers of the first rank, going back to Plato, had raised the problem of whether good and effective politicians could be completely truthful and still achieve the necessary ends of their society. By implication, Strauss asks his readers to consider whether "noble lies" (Plato) have any role at all to play in uniting and guiding the cities of man. Are certain, unprovable "myths" taught by wise leaders needed to give most people meaning and purpose and to ensure a stable society? Or can society flourish on a foundation of those "deadly truths" (Nietzsche) limited to what we can know absolutely?"
Where is this from? It sounds like any lecture on ancient philosophy or political philosophy or any other subject that would study the Republic, one of the first works of political philosophy. Strauss, as a political philosopher, can study the Republic and pose thought experiments without them becoming tenets of his own philosophy. If not, everyone who earnestly studies the Republic is an adherent. Read Fukuyama's "America at the Crossroads", if you really want to know what a neocon is.
If Bolton is a neocon, it's because he distrust the ability of institutions, like the UN, to bring about real "engineered" changes in society.
But if you want to prove he's a neocon, point to his own words in his own writings about the nature of government. Neoconservative is an ideology, simply acting like a neocon will not make you a neocon. One must be an adherent to the ideology. So even if lying is what neocons do, lying does not make a person a neocon.
I would like to know more about what Bolton did to stop the recount in the 2000 presidential election. -QuestioningAuthority
Now that we've established some of your superior grammatical skills, what about his role? I'd like to add a bit of info I just came across:
"I'm with the Bush-Cheney team, and I'm here to stop the count." Words John Bolton yelled in a Tallahassee library on Dec. 9, 2000, where local election workers were recounting ballots cast in Florida's disputed presidential race between Bush and Gore. Bolton was a lawyer for the Republican presidential ticket that sought to shut down recounts before those counts revealed that Gore had actually won the state's electoral votes and the presidency.
For more go to [3]
This characterization is innacurate and prejudicial. John Bolton was a lawyer/observer for the Bush-Cheney team in the recount effort in Florida. He spent most of his time with the recount as an observer in West Palm Beach. There was also a representative of the Democratic party observing there. He announced the stop to the count when it had been announced for all of Florida, not just on a whim.Sompdimp 05:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
http://web.archive.org/web/20001117150400/http://www5.cnn.com/ HERE'S A PIC OF HIM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.25.172 (talk) 07:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
"Bolton is known as "Old Yeller" in the world of diplomacy because of his distinctive mustache." Sure, this seems feasible...
"...scientists are still studying the phenomenon of why it's so drastically different from his hair color." They are??.. And regarding "fake", I'm sure some people think the entire man is a fake for that matter. Perhaps this could be reined in a bit. Mashford 12:33, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
got milk?
I mustache him a question about this.
I've been reading and there is rumbling of Bolton or his office in the State Department being the original people to provide the identity of Valerie Plame to Lewis "Scooter" Libby. [4]
Should be interesting to see where this goes. I guess we'll see on Friday October 28, 2005.
--waffle iron 03:24, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Outside of malicious innuendo, this went nowhere. The investigation seems complete, and outside of the Libby conviction on lying under oath during the investigation, it was much about nothing (read politics, and in some cases dirty ones.)Vince 17:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
So, we can't say he's a twat, but can we say he has twattish charactersistics??
I saw Bolton speak last night (10 April 2006) and he said a few interesting things. Firstly, he called the Seymour Hersh article about nuclear bunker buster possibility "fiction".
Also, when asked about "moral authority" over Iran when we made deals with India he said something along the lines of like it or not, they didn't sign the NPT and countries like like Israel, India, and Pakistan have gotten weapons outside of the NPT. It just seemed surprising that someone at his level would be that open about Israelly nukes... or... maybe that would have been uncommon decades ago.
We obviously can't use those in the article (although... I think UD will release a podcast here) I just thought it may be interesting and somewhat surprising... and if it's notable and in other sources... maybe we could include? gren グレン 07:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
It's in the criticism section:
Yet despite that, the IAEA's Board of Governors "Expressed serious concern at the 1 August 2005 notification to the IAEA that Iran had decided to resume the uranium conversion activities at the Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) in Esfahan, at the Director General’s report that on 8 August Iran had started to feed uranium ore concentrate into the first part of the process line at UCF and at the Director General’s report that on 10 August Iran had removed the seals on the process lines and the UF4 at that facility." [37]
John Bolton is being looked upon more favorably now, due to his recent handling of both the North Korea missile launches and the Israel-Lebanon conflict. It would be nice to find a Gallup poll or something tracking his approval rating in the last month...I seem to recall catching a blurb recently that his approval was much higher now than at this point 6 months ago. 128.84.139.122 16:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Does Mr. Bolton speak any foreign languages? Does he have any significant experience in living in a non-English speaking country?
He has travelled extensively, involved in diplomacy and foreign aid since 1980. He has not lived in a non-English speaking country. He speaks "politics" and "lawyer" very well. I have removed inappropriate language from this section. Defamatory sexual or scatalogical references have no place in an Encyclopedic discussion--they are the last refuges of scoundrels. Wikipedia is greatly diminished by their participation in writing articles.Sompdimp 18:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This article has many possibly irrelevant passages all portraying Bolton in a negative light...
Spinoza1111 10:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)Awwwwww dats too bad. Hey, chump, I have an English language DVD called Hello Xiao Peng which is a biography, made by the Chinese, which doesn't mention Tianamen square. Is that what you want?
Spinoza, that's the mature attitude that makes this site the joke it is. Well done.
The only joke here is Bolton's mustache. It's hard to not to portray some people in a bad light, especially if they do and say "bad" things.
I have moved most of the embedded citations to footnote style. It is particularly important in the case of online newspaper articles to include byline, headline, newspaper, and date of publication not just a link, because many newspapers keep stories online only for a certain period before transferring them to the archives. With a full citation, readers will be able to find the article easily even if the link doesn't work. The remaining Embedded citation are either links that I did not know how to reference correctly, were dead, or linked to content that I could not see how it was related to the article. A more knowleadgeable editor should take a close look at the remaining embedded citation for reliablity and correctness. Jon513 21:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I find this article to be completly balanced AND fair
So that we can clear up any neutrality problems - and get that God-awful warning off the main article - could one of the critics of this article please outline, point by point, which sections of the article need repair and why. MojoTas 02:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I have in the past month corrected a number of biased statements and noted that more needs doing. There certainly have been objections--it is not a neutral article in many sections. Bolton's answers to the controversial accusations at the hearings in 2005 have not been included. Bolton's many writings and nuanced explanations for his positions have not been included. His accomplishments at the UN have not been included. An accurate explanation of his redlining of the reform document in September 2005 has not been included. Only cherry-picked simplistic criticisms. Bolton's hearing in the summer of 2006 has not been included. Even the language used in defining his recess appointment and his resignation was inaccurate--poorly written newspaper reports rather than the actual documents have been referenced. Just because it may be a monumental task to edit and reorganize this article completely does not mean that it is neutral as it is. I am not certain how to reinsert the tag on challenging the article's neutrality, but the tag should be reinserted.Sompdimp 05:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
How would people feel about creating a new page for the issue and debate around his confirmation? The discussion here is LONG. The section heading that now reads "Nomination for Ambassador to the UN" actually contains some stuff about Bolton's record in the UN. For parallelism with the heading above, "Undersecretary of State for Arms Control" this following section head should probably be changed to "Ambassador to the UN" and after summarizing and linking out to the confirmation stuff should discuss Bolton's actual UN record. What do people think? Elizmr 18:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there any unbiased participant ready and willing to undertake such editing and rewriting? It is sometimes easier and more time-efficient to edit what is there than to do a complete rewrite. Of course Amb. Bolton may soon have an opportunity to write his book and set the record straight himself. This article certainly illustrates the limits of the Wikipedia concept!!! Unedited, rambling and riddled with prejudicial, unsupported statements and allegations. More likely to quote opposition than supporters. Does not include a list of Bolton's numerous publications--both op-ed pieces and legal analyses. Sompdimp 18:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
It's the Wikipedia, Sompdimp. You can do it yourself, or are you excluding yourself as you are clearly not unbiased.
Also, can we *not* have a list of John Bolton's op-ed pieces and legal analyses. That would just bog down what is already an overlengthy article for someone who amounts to a bit player in the great game.
"Of course Amb. Bolton may soon have an opportunity to write his book" - as of 9am New York time tioday he has plenty of tiem to fix his Wikipedia article. I've already baked him a yellow cake to celebrate his retirement.
--217.39.185.185 15:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I see that the description of Ms Townsel's accusations against Mr. Bolton has again been edited, in a manner that sounds self-serving to Ms Townsel. I have checked the record again and tried to repair the damage without going into the matter in great detail. If she indeed edited the comments herself, Townsel is not providing accurate information concerning her own interview with Senate staffers nor concerning her employment with a USAID contractor (not "as a USAID contractor" herself) in Moscow and the former Soviet republics, nor the accuracy, importance and relevance of her accusations, which were contradicted at the time by her actual employer, IBTCI. It would be better to leave out the information on Ms Townsel entirely, since it has never been verified and was not considered credible enough by Senate staffers to be published on the website. Information contradicting her remarks has also not been published, which should satisfy Ms Townsel, who seems to have a personal or political vendetta against Mr. Bolton. Ms Townsel was also known to be an activist for the Democratic Party in Texas, although she seems not to want that point published, since it has been cut from this piece twice. Sompdimp 21:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
He's resigned - this article is about to get very busy - be alert for POV pushers. --Charlesknight 14:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
He WILL step down when his appointment expires, which is "when Congress formally adjourns, no later than early January."[5][6] He didn't leave his post today. —Tokek 15:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
There is nothing about this period of his life Brettr 14:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Clearly, they have forgotten that this is the same guy that once said that there is no United Nations. Yet the Bush Administration wants to send him where? To the United Nations. Is this not worthy of filing under "stupid things the Bush administration has done or tried to do" when cast in this light? Stop the war!!! Stop the madness!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.158.120.7 (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC).
"Yes, that was me, just so you know. It was no prank; I just forgot to log in before I went to post. For future reference, I have the memory span of a goldfish (well, OK, not literally, but you get my point!) and I have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast. It doesn't help that I haven't slept well at all for the past two weeks, either. --Odin of Trondheim 20:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)"
Why should it be on the talk page? It's opinions, not discussion to improve the article, and therefore it is feasible to erase it from the talk page.--Gloriamarie 07:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Seems like a very generalized statement to me. 129.2.231.123 15:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I think Bolton's two nominations to be ambassador to the U.N. should each get their own articles - something like "Nomination of John Bolton as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, 2005" and "Nomination of John Bolton as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, 2006". The current article is too long and unwieldy. Anyone agree/disagree? Yaron K. 06:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
There was an interesting interview with Bolton today on The World (radio program) where he said that the only solution to the North Korea problem is isolation and ultimately regime change. Theshibboleth 21:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
This is valid content. It is Wikipedia editors' own opinions that are prohibited by the neutrality policy, not verifiable, well-sourced, authoritative opinions. This is not just "one person's opinion." A Wall Street Journal op ed packs some weight. And it is good evidence for its being a reasonably widely held point of view, a "fact about opinion."
Given the relative sizes of the "criticism" and "praise for Bolton" sections, I don't see that this is a case of piling on too much weight on one side, either.
This should remain in the article.
Oh, by the way, I don't happen to agree with it. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
As the article states, Bolton was never an Ambassador to the UN; he was a representative to the UN. It may seem like a small detail, but it is an important factual distinction. The content in this article adheres to this fact, but there are a few places that erroneously refer to him as an ambassador, like the little box under his picture, and the table at the bottom of the article. Is there any way to get these changed so that they accurately reflect the factual information in the article? Sabian220 23:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Bolton was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize along with Ken Timmerman on February 7, 2006 by Sweden's former deputy prime minister and Liberal party leader Per Ahlmark "for their repeated warnings and documentation of Iran's secret nuclear buildup and revealing Iran's 'repeated lying' and false reports to the International Atomic Energy Agency."[1][2][3][4]. An American intelligence estimate made public at the end of 2007 concluded that Iran ceased its nuclear weapons program in 2003 but continued "to refine its abilities to enrich uranium"[5].
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According to the Nobel Foundation, Nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize are made by nominees who are invited by the Nobel committee, and the details are kept secret for 50 years.
There is therefore no way to know before the year 2056 whether or not Per Ahlmark actually was invited to make a nomination or not. If he was not invited, then his "nomination" of Bolton has no more reality then my announcement, here and now, that I hereby nominate Jimbo Wales to be President of the United States. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
While Jimbo may be impressed by your friendly nomination, the difference is that the Nobel nomination is based on reliable, third-party, published sources and yours, shall we say, doesn't seem to be. Most readers accept sources such as the Washington Post and New York Times as reliable. The standard is "reliable, third-party", not "authoritative, first-party", so it really doesn't matter that the nomination wasn't official by the Nobel committee. Let's try this the other way... should reliably-sourced information critical about the U.S. Government from the NY Times and Washington Post be removed because the U.S. Government won't declassify related official documents until 2056? The right balance would be a sourced comment that it was reported but unconfirmed that Bolton had been nominated. ~PescoSo say•we all 21:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Apparently George Monbiot's attempted citizens' arrest of John R. Bolton in Wales in May 2008 was the first-ever attempt at an arrest of one of the architects of the Iraq War.
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