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I feel that this article could benefit from mention of some of Joachim's accomplishments. Drearwig17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree, but where should we start? He obviously was a good survivalist because he lasted on Celti Alpha V for so long and he was strong because the Ceti Eel didn't kill him. also what I think makes him cool is that he stepped onto the bridge of the Reliant and he just figured out how to pilot it right away. Maybe I'll write up something about that.
TenaciousT 17:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
His wisdom for starters, he was the sole voice of opposition against pursuing Captain_James_T._Kirk. He was also the only one with the wisdom to know that their shields would not work in the Mutara Nebula and that they would be at a disadvantage. Although along with his accomplishments, we should also mention his failure to locate the override button. (Drearwig 17:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC))
Joachim had a quite honorable death and deserves mention. Drearwig17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
he died serving his Master. That DOES deserve mention. TenaciousT 17:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is littered with non-npov, speculation, uncited assertions, and in general is just poorly written. It is entirely plot summary with no material at all related to the significance of this character. I tried doing some editing to clear the extraneous junk out until this thing can be nuked, but really removing the tangential, insignificant, and/or inappropriate material would leave...just his name. --EEMeltonIV 02:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I am happy to say that the article has undergone a complete turn-around since the above comments were made. It even passed an AfD debate. Fuck, yeah! Shaundakulbara 19:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
EEMeltonIV, I find it frustrating that in the wake of your failed efforts to get this article deleted you have made extensive non-helpful edits. In at least two areas you removed citations and then added the dreaded ((Fact)) tag to question material that was verified by the citations you removed. I respectfully request that you make edits more carefully and avoid edits which might be construed as sabotage. Thanks. Shaundakulbara 03:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I asked you to avoid edits which might be "construed as sabotage". While we are on the subject of good manners, referring to my work as "generally poor grammar" would not fall under that category. I welcome your attempts to improve this article. Please don't remove the blockquotes -- they aren't copyright violations -- and be especially careful when removing citations. Rather than even hint at some sort of edit war, I will let you have your way with the article for the rest of the night and will make edits myself at a later time. Please, just be thoughtful. Shaundakulbara 03:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Does this book identify the TOS character as Khan's son and the TWOK character as the TOS character's son? --EEMeltonIV 13:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Aesthetically, it's kinda hanging lose beyond the death scene pic. Can anyone argue that its presence really adds a whole lot to the piece, other than to show the exact shade of gold? Delete it? --EEMeltonIV 17:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Chop the article down. Take out two of the pictures. Nominate a 3rd picture for deletion. Why don't we just nominate the article for deletion again and have it done with? Now that I understand how much the movie this guy appeared in really sucks I have a hard time caring. I'd rather turn my attention elsewhere. There are some more interested in winning petty battles than making improvements. I'm not one of those. If I was I would have gloated when a few dozen articles MatthewFenton wanted to save were deleted because of my efforts. Thanks. Shaundakulbara 02:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
EEMeltonIV, you made me laugh. No, I was not gloating about not gloating. I was gloating while saying I wasn't gloating. That is the eminently Wikipedian way to do things. But yeah, I'll confess since I love being honest and hope to never become eminently Wikipedian. EEMeltonIV, you made some good edits. But editing out the quote I specifically asked to be kept? It may not surprise you that strikes me as contentious (I was going to say "inflexible and jerky" but I said contentious instead. Civil, huh?). As for taking it up with MatthewFenton on his talk page, I'd rather not. HEY...does anyone remember the good old days when we spent most of out time dealing with real problems? Reverting vandals, fixing articles that were a total fucking mess, etc.? I remember that as being more satisfying than bickering about whether a Star Trek article has two pictures or three. Shaundakulbara 02:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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