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If I recall, JT threatened wikipedia with a "lawsuit" because the information on here wasn't correct. I find it strange that it is conveniently ommited in the article about him, about how Jacky boy threatened wikipedia.
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/228672.html?mode=reply
in the eighth paragraph under section 4.1 (Litigation) is this: "He also participated in a protest at Rockstar’s office that also included students from Peaceaholics, a Washington, D.C. mentoring organization. One must wonder, though, at the credibility of an organization whose name is based on the term for a debilitating and life-threatening addiction." that last sentence does not seem to be very neutral language. i'm not sure if it should be reworded or removed all together, so i thought i would just point it out here.
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There is a new article up now. Everything in it comes from reputable mainstream sources. I would say that the weakest sources here are either a small local publication like the Toledo Blade, or perhaps a paper like the New York Post, depending on what you think of it. In any case, this level of sourcing will be the minimum expected for the article henceforth.
If a proposed source is not as good or better than these sources, it must be discussed on the talk page first. Without a strong case to specifically use one and general agreement on its inclusion, a lesser source will not be allowed - no LiveJournal. All additions and changes must provide a reference. Anything that doesn't will be summarily reverted. --Michael Snow 14:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/police/2924321.html
He apparently told police to search a suspects house for video games, due to his belief that games make killers.
Minton, James (2006-06-03). "Video games seized from teen's home". The Advocate. Retrieved 2006-06-03. ((cite web))
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(help) Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 23:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow. Just when you think he's already lost his last marble, he throws out another one. If this won't stop the media from taking him seriously, nothing will. user:-SA-
This guy isn't going to go down easily, meaning he'll cause as much disruption as he can before something or someone shuts his power function off, like telling him to stop while he's ahead for example. A walking tank that can't be slowed down oddly enough. That's for sure. 24.188.203.181 22:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Normally I'd agree, but I've done research. If the ESA wanted, they have an estimated 130 counts of Liebel in print that he could be hit with. I think shutting him up with a Slapp complaint might be letting him off easy by comparison! But thats just my opinion.
Thompson hopes retailers end up in court so often, that they will choose to stop selling violent games altogether.[1]
I know he said it, but the line is completely out of place where it is, and is just inciting a POV. I removed it for now but wanted to open debate.--Tollwutig 15:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe down in lobbying?
As reasoning behind his push for legislation to penalize retailers, Thompson has said he hopes retailers end up in court so often, that they will choose to stop selling violent games altogether.[1]
Jabrwock 15:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree with it there but not in the second paragraph. It didn't fit in. Also this should be changed to a quotation so that it lacks POV. --Tollwutig 15:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
After reading it the entire second paragraph could use work. I am going to take out: "This includes filing lawsuits on behalf of the victims of crimes committed by juveniles allegedly inspired by violent video games and lobbying for legislation restricting distribution of these games." Again doesn't fit in with the introduction of the article and is extraneous. Really the article covers his activities to render this sentence pointless. Not to mention it doesn't work in the paragraph.
So I rewrote the 2nd paragraph. If someone can figure a better way to reword it please do.--Tollwutig 14:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Line was re-added by FatherTime89. I invited him here to discuss the line. I also removed the line. Placing it where it was makes the article POV. I know he said it, but needs to be quoted and placed in the activism subheader if anywhere.--Tollwutig 16:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Well someone did post it in the second paragraph and apparently micheal snow was fine with because it was up there for quite a while. I think it does deserve a place somewhere. Father Time89 02:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
A freeware game inspired by Thompson called I'm O.K. is available at http://imokgame.com/index.html
The game idea is that after his son is killed by a gamer, his father seeks vengence against the video game industry and others that led to his son's death.
Old news, and it is included sort of in the Modest Proposal section...--Tollwutig 14:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be one, since there are many critics of his views and his tactics? --165.124.162.170 02:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
After all this trouble that he's been causing, it should get put up, so long as there's links to back up the criticism, like who's criticising him for example. 24.188.203.181 05:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem is this article is nearly POV as it is adding a criticism section would only worsen it. Not to mention it needs some trimming as its getting long again.--Tollwutig 13:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
You people fear litigation too much, many other biographys of high-class political and legal members have criticism sections on their bios, Ann Coulter for one, George Bush is another. A litigation fairy like Jack Thompson requires one as well, considering his is an outspoken member of the Florida legal system on a one man crusade against video games. He has garnered a lot of enemies and criticism alike, and they should be mentioned. This sanitized article makes him look like he's an angel, rather the showing both sides of the equation. - 59.167.36.35 07:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
As long as the criticism is well sourced and phrased in a NPOV way then it should be perfectly fine. Konman72 07:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
"The problem is this article is nearly POV as it is..." - Well, that's inevitable on a JT article. I mean, how many JT-POVs can exist? Everyone seems to have the same one: "Idiot." --Effectively amused, Falos 19:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't there anything on his conflicts with PA and refusal to pay a charity 10,000 dollars if someone made his game?
Having done extensive external research on Thompson's history of litigation, I can say that he would more likely than not threaten litigation (though not proceed with it) if it came to his attention that Wikipedia posted criticism of him and his tactics. Thompson has threatened to sue several individuals and websites in the past, though has only done so in the hopes that fear of legal action will silence his critics; that having been said, though a criticism section might invite people to post about him in a negative fashion, some legitimate (verifiable) information is bound to be posted as well. For that reason, a criticism section should not be ruled out; POV information is bound to be posted when it comes to any individual who seeks to actively antagonize another individual or group, but it does not mean that those individuals should not be allowed to comment about it. --PeanutCheeseBar 00:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've only seen one or two pieces of criticism that do not sink into hyperbole. Jump back into the history to see them. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Here is the straw man criticism article. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 00:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Proof? Read any of the hundreds of harassing e-mails he's sent countless people!!
[1] Is a good, professional photo. I don't know about licensing, but thought I'd bring it up in case someone wants to fiddle with it. President Lethe 04:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Let's just be careful, we don't want Mr. Thompson to attack us (Wikipedia) and start yelling about copyright infringement. :P Havok (T/C/c) 14:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
There's his image at the Lousiana hearings. http://media.2theadvocate.com/images/250*183/leg+video+games+051106.jpg http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/2782806.html?index=1 Jabrwock 20:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
"Only hitmen or video gamers shoot people in the face."
Well, what about jealous ex-husbands or wives or employees? What about mentally unstable people?
Take a look at what he's saying: video games make every child a violent killing machine.
Puh-lease. I'm a minor; I play Silent Hill and Halo. Yet, you don't see ME going around shooting random people or mutilating them with a katana, do you?
Yes, there ARE people who have killed, claiming to be inspired by video games. But, compare that number of people to the number of people who PLAY videogames in the USA alone: it's comparing an anthill to a mountain. It's only people with some sort of mental problem that do the killing, usually; the casual gamer doesn't randomly want to shoot people because of a violent game they've played. Video games provide outlets to most people, not training devices!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003049735_policefoundation09m.html
As chairman of the Seattle Police Foundation, Michael Malone has helped raise money for life-saving gear for city cops. He also sits on the board of a software firm that sells blockbuster games in which gamers try to elude police and kill them.
Florida attorney Jack Thompson, who testified in Olympia in 2003 in support of the law, found Malone's name among Take-Two's board members Thursday and sent an e-mail to the Seattle Police Foundation and local media.
Malone cannot take money from Take-Two and "portray himself as a friend of the officers who lay their lives on the line," Thompson said. "I think it's unethical, hypocritical and duplicitous. The Seattle Police Foundation and the men and women they represent should be pretty upset." Jabrwock 15:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Please discuss here if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks! Kasreyn 18:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
'...Thompson rejected this overture and forwarded the flowers to some of his industry foes, with such comments as “Discard them along with the decency you discarded long ago. I really don’t care. Grind them up and smoke them if you like.”'
I'd just like to take a moment to unerline this.
What an ignorant, arrogant, self-centered little dweeb this man is. A community of people that he has outright attacked and slandered without any logical justification make an absolutely mature, civil and beautiful gesture to approach him and ask him to put the daggers away for just a minute, and his reaction? Throw the (expensive!) goodwill gift into the garbage, right before slinging-off yet more insults and condescension. If he didn't WANT the flowers, he could've at LEAST followed-through on the advice and DONATED them to a local HOSPITAL (...in all hope, perhaps the 'industry opponents' he forwarded them to will have a better appreciation for them).
And HE wants to start throwing-out the accustations of human indecency, anti-social behavior and moral ambiguity? The man needs to arrange a date with his own reflection.
You're not really telling us anything new, but this is Wikipedia so in the article itself we have to keep that Point of View out --Tollwutig 14:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Being a NPOV format, that part needs to be corrected, since the "Flowers For Jack" article refutes the statement, and there is no link validating it. Anonymous September 6 2006 (UTC)
What degree does he actually have? LL.B., LL.M., J.D., S.J.D.? --Mr. Orange 62.168.125.219 22:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe under the See Also section should be a link to Hypocrisy.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.10.143 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 15 July 2006
I took out the "internet troll" link because Wikipedia has very strict guidelines for biographies of living persons, so without very heavy evidence we can't put anything on here that could possibly be construed as offensive by Jack himself. Konman72 04:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
To quote Michael Snow above, "If a proposed source is not as good or better than these sources, it must be discussed on the talk page first. Without a strong case to specifically use one and general agreement on its inclusion, a lesser source will not be allowed - no LiveJournal." Yes, every Wikipedia article should be completely, 100% verifiable. This is not the place to argue for or against this policy. And if you find an article that is not as such, feel free to edit it. Also, as Mr. Thompson is a living person, we should be extra careful. --Maxamegalon2000 01:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I question the objectivity of this phrase; I have heard it used in a disparaging manner. It should be replaced with "radio personality," "radio talk show host" or some other variant. Also, after reading the Stern article and its inclusion of the negative connotation, I am further puzzled by its use in this article.
Varmintx 10:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Varmintx 21:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been looking everywhere, google video, you-tube, but I can't find any videos of him on the air. Like that picture of him on the Wiki. Anyone have a video of that interview? I'd really like to see this guy in action.
There is a video of him on G4's Attack of the Show here: http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/AOTB/cat/84/The_Loop.html UnreferencedVariable 17:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/10/g4-jack-thompson-yell-at-each-other Maluka 04:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Not for nothing, but shouldn't there be some sort of counter point in this article. Not along the lines of "He's a nut" or anything, but shouldn't there be some sourced, verified counter points to his statments in the article, that is, if were trying to make it truly encyclopedic, then shouldn't counter views be presented as well, or is Wikipedia to affraid of legal action to put anything that is critical of thompson in the article? Just a thought.
I believe there should be counterpoints to Thompson and his comments as well. You can't say the article isn't about his ideas, as his ideas are what define him as a person; if he didn't have ideas and forcibly impose them on the rest of society, Thompson would not be notable, and thus would likely not have an article on Wikipedia in the first place. A section for counterpoints would serve much of the same purpose as a criticism section; since we don't regulate criticism on Wikipedia, why should we prevent people from issuing counterpoints that can serve to balance out Thompson's ideas, and possibly prevent bias? --PeanutCheeseBar 19:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Thompson's website has been vandalised in the last few months, i dont think anyone noticed or cared, but it still does contain his "public rant" about his actions against the florida bar, perhaps this should be included on the main page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.36.35 (talk • contribs) 05:24, 2 August 2006
Jack Thompson wrote and registered the web page, the DNS information is accurate and JT himself on several occasions boasted about it. The vandalism that's occured is the "douche" theme that's playing on the page when it loads now. - 59.167.25.150 07:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Although we can verify that Thompson registered the DNS of flabar.org, and that it is more than likely his website (it's has tell tale signs of his writing plus his normal lack of formatting on a website. I think the vandalism is too minor of an event to cover in this article. If we covered every bit of vandalism or enraged gamer act to annoy thompson this page would quickly become the size of the rest of wikipedia. --Tollwutig 18:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Not like i have to mention it on this website, but since Gamepolitics.com just put a new article up about Thompson in Louisianna, they'll start to come in force once the article gets around the web.--Tollwutig 18:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I take offense to being called a vandal just because the latest new came from Jack HIMSELF.--67.164.215.114 05:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Um, it's already started, sourced changes to the article is fine. Adding in the opinion of a 14 year old on the man isn't. Thanks to SHANE for protecting the article. --Tollwutig 15:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Rockstar has dropped support for the Xbox for Bully, which is now a PS2 exclusive. Keep an eye out for a reputable news site mentioning it. GTA:IV is still coming out for the 360, it just looks like R* is reducing the number of older console titles it's releasing. If the PS3 was out I imagine they would have dropped PS2 support as well... Jabrwock 19:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Better from the horses' mouth than a 3rd party, eh? Jabrwock 16:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
this artical needs a new picture look at AOTS (hes being interviewed now) that picture looks really outdated 67.35.181.14 23:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC) Deuxhero 23:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
"His Excellency Yuri Ushakov Russian Federation Ambassador to the United States Embassy of the Russian Federation 2650 Wisconsin Ave., NW Washington, D.C. Via email and fax to 202-298-5735
Re: Knife Attack in Moscow Synagogue Allegedly Inspired by Violent American Video Game, Postal 2
Dear Ambassador Ushakov:
I am an expert, recognized as such in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Spain, and elsewhere, as to the disturbing nexus between violent video game play and real-world violence.
I have been repeatedly interviewed as to this nexus by the BBC and by major news media in this country.
As you know, a young person in Moscow just went on a knifing spree, allegedly inspired to do so by the incredibly violent PC video game, Postal 2.
In this game, by the way, a player can place his virtual gun into the anus of a cat to use the feline as a silencer. That is how depraved is Vince Desi, the head of the company that makes this game. He is a sociopath.
This game is being distributed around the world by Mr. Desi’s US company, Running with Scissors, whose corporate slogan is “To kill or not to kill? What a stupid question.”
We have had a large number of killings in this country linked by law enforcement to these types of murder simulation games. Our US Defense Department actually uses virtual reality killing simulators like this to break down the inhibition of new recruits to kill, so of course it has this same effect on civilians.
Running with Scissors has recently entered into an arrangement whereby it can distribute its murder simulators via the Internet, thereby bypassing various nations’ restrictions on the distribution of such harmful material to minors. The Russian Federation must stop this practice.
I am a Republican who can tell you that United States President George W. Bush has direct financial ties to the violent video game industry—such as Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., through massive campaign contributions by the political lobbying firm of Blank Rome—so there is a collaboration of sorts between the US government and the violent video game industry to export this dangerous garbage around the globe. In fact, our Defense Department has actually subsidized the creation of some of these virtual reality killing games at an agency known as the Institute for Creative Technologies. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is this program’s chief enthusiast.
I appeared on ABC World News Tonight blowing the whistle on this nonsense, which also extensively involves the Sony Corporation.
Please feel free to contact me for additional information as soon as possible. I think at the very least the Russian Federation should lodge a formal protest with the United States government regarding the importation of Postal 2 and the mayhem at the Moscow synagogue that it may very well have caused.
Regards, Jack Thompson" http://www.myth-games.com/news1003.htm
Jewish leaders soon dismissed this link (http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2006/01/12/jews_demand_russian_action_after_synagogue_attack/) Does this deserve a section in the article?
I picked 100 articles at random from Category:American lawyers and not a single one has appended "Esq" at the end of the name. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Honorific_prefixes does not seem to support the use of this particular honorific for an American lawyer. I have removed the "Esq". —ptk✰fgs 17:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
In my assessment, this article clearly meets the guidelines at WP:WIAGA and as such I have passed its nomination as a Good article. It is well-referenced and well-written, and is broad and neutral in its coverage of the topic.
I do think that more images might help to improve it further, although I admit that I am not sure what sort of images might be helpful. It might be possible to condense the "Rap music", "Litigation", and "Activism and lobbying sections" — I am not sure if that level of detail is necessary.
With some more work, this could be a featured article. I would recommend a copy-edit — Wikipedia:Peer review may be a good place to ask. —ptk✰fgs 17:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Because editing has been disabled, I thought I'd point something out. Jack is quoted in this article as stating "Murder simulators are not protected free speech". However, it should also be noted that 7 courts have stated, in writing in Judical ruling that "Games are 1st amendment protected speech, inseperable from there interactive elements" Thats taken from the michigan decision. It might be nice to show that there are those, espcially judges, who disagree with him, rather then giving his ego a blow job by quoting him without counterpoint. After all, how can you claim to be encyclopedic if your only showing his view of something?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.244.227.194 (talk • contribs)
[2] He's threatening to go to court if he doesn't get one from his congressman. I think this definitely merits inclusion, but does this mean we should move the Bully paragraph to the litigation section? --Maxamegalon2000 14:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Lawyer Fighting To Ban 'Columbine Simulator'
Thompson, who has also targeted rappers like N.W.A., is seeking a congressional subpoena for an early copy [of Bully]. He said he is prepared to file suit Friday in Miami if he does not gain help from U.S. Rep. Cliff Stearns, a Florida Republican. Jabrwock 16:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Well do you think we can still put in the article that he called it a Columbine simulator?Father Time89 19:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Thompson bullies Take-Two Ars Technica 139.142.43.31 16:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Thompson incorrectly predicted that the perpetrator of the Beltway sniper attacks would be “a teenaged boy, who plays video games” and speculated incorrectly that he “may indeed ride a bicycle to and from his shooting locations, his gun broken down and placed in a backpack while he pedals.”[64] Saying that the shooter, Lee Boyd Malvo, had "trained" on Halo, Thompson later claimed credit for this on The Today Show: “I predicted that the beltway sniper would be a teen-aged boy that trained on a game switched to sniper mode. And three months later, NBC reported that that’s exactly what Malvo did. And Mohammed had him train on the game to suppress his inhibition to kill.”[65][66]
Shouldn't it be pointed out that whether or not you can br trainede off a video game is highly debateable and that Halo has no sniper mode? Also I couldn't find any mention of video games in the main article about the sniper attacks so I need some verification on it.Father Time89 19:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok I added a little note at the paragraph saying John Muhammad was a gulf war vet, and I found a very good source for it (CNN) Father Time89 20:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Maxamegalon reverted my edit stating he filed suit to get an early copy of Bully, because Gamespot, is not a reliable source. Can anyone tell me why it isn't? On face value, it seems to meet the criteria of WP:RS. Ramsquire 00:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link for someone to write up the Lousiana Law which Thompson drafted being enjoined: http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060825/APA/608250712 and from what can be considered a reputable source too. --Tollwutig 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I know the idea is not to leave up permanent locks but the web is going to cover Thompson a lot and everytime someone puts a new article somewhere the Vandals flood in. Ideas anyone? I think after the Louisiana Law battle is over, and Bully is released things will slow down.--Tollwutig 15:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that will work. Locks are used to prevent vandalism when it happens not to stop potential vanadaism. --My old username 04:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Sprotection is never supposed to be used to pre-empt possible vandalism unless we have an extrodinary case like George W. Bush (the most heavily edited and vandalized article ever). Hbdragon88 04:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is POV in certain sections, and contains inaccuracies and inconsistencies. The biggest problem is the lack of linked references. There are numerous cases, but I suspect that this may be do to the work of a vandal. Aside from that, here are some problems I have noticed that keep this article from being POV.
"Thompson admits to having a “colorful disciplinary history” as an attorney."
--This is a blatant misrepresntation; Thompson did not admit it. The term was someone else's description of his history. Proof: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:6_aqGnTnYKkJ:www.gamepolitics.com/images/moore.doc+%22Jack+thompson%22+%22colorful+disciplinary+history%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4
"Luke Skyywalker Records, the company of 2 Live Crew’s Luther Campbell, had previously released a record supporting Reno in her race against Thompson."
--There is no source cited that verifies this statement.
"In his campaign, Thompson cast himself as a Batman-like character, a solitary figure helping law enforcement when it was unable to protect the public on its own. He portrayed 2 Live Crew frontman Luther Campbell not as Luke Skyywalker (his stage name), but as the Joker “peddling obscenity to children.”"
--Jack Thompson did not make this comparison; the person who wrote the sourced article made the comparison. Stating opinions as facts are not consistent with NPOV stances.
"Thompson also said, "the "social commentary" on this album is akin to a sociopath's discharging his AK-47 into a crowded schoolyard, with the machine gun bursts interrupted by Pee Wee Herman's views on politics.""
--It appears that Thompson was not the one who made this statement, according to the source cited. The source is vague on who actually made the comment (it seems to me to be Robert Perry who made it), and until a source accurately attributes this statement to Thompson, this should be removed from the article.
"Thompson was looking to have Time Warner, then being criticized for promoting the Ice-T song “Cop Killer,” prosecuted for federal and state crimes such as sedition, incitement to riot, and “advocating overthrow of government” by distributing material that, in Thompson's view, advocated the killing of police officers."
--The actual quote fom the source is, "advocating overthrow of government ... by the assassination of any officer of such government." Cherry-picking information to fit a viewpoint is not consistent with NPOV stances.
"He also went after MTV’s advertisers and urged the U.S. Army to pull recruiting commercials, citing the Army’s recruitment of women and problems with sexual harassment scandals."
--It should also be mentioned that his problem with the recruitment commercials was that they were aired in conjuction with MTV programs that objectified women, which in his opinion, made the Army appear to be condoning such actions in its own institution; rather than specifically the problems associated with Army scandals. This was mentioned in the same cited source, and should not be ommitted from the article. Again, cherry-picking information to fit a viewpoint is not consistent with NPOV stances.
"However it should be noted that John Muhammad was a gulf war veteran and earned a expert marksmanship badge in the U.S. army."
--The fact that Muhammad was a war veteran does not go against the Halo training accusation, as this statement implies by "However, it should be noted"; it could just as easily be stated that Muhammad's military experience led him to believe the gaming was consistent with the training. The phrase beginning that sentence should be removed, as it is supporting a POV, and the sentence should start with, "John Muhammad was a..."
"Thompson rejected this overture and forwarded the flowers to some of his industry foes, with such comments as “Discard them along with the decency you discarded long ago. I really don’t care. Grind them up and smoke them if you like.”"
--This is disputed in the "Flowers For Jack" Wikipedia article.
"In 1999, Thompson represented the parents of Bryce Kilduff, an 11-year old boy who committed suicide by hanging himself. Allegedly this was in imitation of Kenny, a character from the Comedy Central series South Park, which Bryce, according to his parents, had never watched."
--Since the source is not linked, this statement is confusing and unverifiable. Who made the allegation, Thompson or the parents? The context leads one to believe it is Thompson's allegation, and leading by context without verification is not consistent with NPOV stances.
"Curiously, he later spoke in defense of Stern during the latter’s legal dispute with CBS over promoting Sirius on-air before his switch to satellite radio."
--Use of the word "Curiously" to start the sentence is presenting a POV.
(I've accidentally removed a section of this Talk page dealing with the references, and my noob-ilities are not capable of restoring it. I would appreciate it if someone who knows what they're doing could correct my error, and I apologize to the Wiki-community.)Anonymous September 7 2006 (UTC)
1) Did Whacko Jacko charge files against any more chavs, other than 2 Live crew? 2) So, since James here threatened to sue, we can't revert back to the old page?
Perhaps a little too opinionated a title?
Anyhow I beleive that a cirtain quote should be added to jacks profile...
[source:http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2004042112.html]
"The Bible doesn't promote killing innocent people," Thompson said. "Grand Theft Auto does. Islam does."
When asked to elaberate -
"Islam promotes the killing of innocent people," Thompson said. "The Quran requires the infidel, whether Jew or Christian, to be killed. ... That's a core essence of the religion. ... Muhammad was a pirate who killed infidels and who advocated the killing of infidels. Not a nice guy. Osama bin Laden is in keeping with his fine tradition."
Firstly here is an extract from the bible disproving this:
Deuteronomy 13:7-11: “If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying. “Let us go and serve other gods,” … you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death, since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God.”
And a counter point where 2 lawyers tried to ban the Bible from schools:
"Two lawyers said that they had written to German Family Minister Christine Bergmann asking her to officially class the Bible among books considered dangerous for children because of its violent content.
The Holy Book contains passages of "a gruesomeness difficult to exceed" which are glorified as the will of God, the Bavarian lawyers Christian Sailer and Gert-Joachim Hetzel said in their submission to the minister on behalf of "some parents of minors." "It preaches genocide, racism, enmity towards Jews, gruesome executions for adulterers and homosexuals, the murder of one's own children and many other perversities," Sailer and Hetzel said. The book should therefore be kept on the "not for children" list so long as the "bloodthirsty and human rights-violating passages" were not removed.
A spokesperson for the Roman Catholic Church in Munich, Adelheid Utters-Adam, described the demand as absurd. If the Bible should be put on such a list, then so should every history book and practically every newspaper edition, she said."
Source: http://countdown.org/end/apostasy_05.htm#apo_vatican_eus_ungodly (5th entry downwards) On the surface it seems Off Topic but considering the majority of Mr Thompsons alegations are coupled with religious backing (Including posting on a tribute to a gamer that commited suicide: "There is a void in every heart. You can fill it up with the things of God, or the things not of God. This unfortunate soul chose to fill it up with combat games." (Source: http://game-eaters.blogspot.com/2006/01/now-jack-targets-mgs-how-low-can-he.html)
Anyhow please advise - is it worth adding just the quote or include evidence that it is false. This is the first time I have ever written for Wikipedia so please go easy on me :)
If we're going to include something as incendiary as these words, we'll honestly need better sources than random blogs. --Keyne 23:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Is http://news.neilrogers.com/news/articles/2004042112.html a random blog? I thought that it was the origional article? Targetweightneo 00:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought this was originally from the sun-times or something. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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Text removed. --Maxamegalon2000 02:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
THOMPSON IS GUILTY OF:
1. SLANDER 2. LIBEL 3. CRIMINAL HARASSMENT
WHY IS THIS NOT IN HIS ARTICLE???
Because it's original research and not verifiable. --Maxamegalon2000 02:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Sadly depite this being common beleif amognst many people - it is still only a point of view and not a fact. The best that can be added is if somone has filed a law suit against Jack for these reasons Targetweightneo 07:25, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Wait, like "has been guilty of" or "shoulda been guilty of"? If these charges have run and passed, they oughta be around. Which I doubt, as (A) He's a lawyer and should know where dangerous territory is, and (B) He's a lawyer, and should be able to dodge better than the usual Joe. --Falos 19:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
"Sims 2 contains full frontal nudity." He said it himself, on live TV. If I said that, I could be sued. Why not him?
http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1526&Itemid=2
Miami attorney Jack Thompson today was expected to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Cody Posey and the makers of "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" saying the video game taught Posey how to fire a weapon and turned him into an "extraordinarily effective" killer Jabrwock 19:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it HAS to be said that the Codey was severely abused by his parents and that the night before the trial his father demanded he have sex with his step mother and when he refused his father burnt him with a heated rod.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Father Time89 (talk • contribs)
I've skimmed through the article twice, but I don't see anything on which one he is. Could anyone clear this up for me?
J-Guy 20:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
City says Biltmore golf course is below par
I don't think this is close to notable enough for inclusion in the article, but I thought I'd just mention it here in case he decides to sue someone about it. --Maxamegalon2000 22:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I am wondering how we can make this article more consistent with the Flowers for Jack article that it links to. The more I look at it, the more I wonder if the link to that article should be removed until the Flowers for Jack article is completely made over. In the "Flowers for Jack" article, some of the information is sourced to chat forums where people claim they got emails from Jack. That is unverifiable, to say the least. About half of the article is made up of a news article which refers to chat forum posts made by Jack Thomspon. If you follows its sources, you'll see that many on that forum do not even believe that the poster is actually Thompson. Through my previous discussions regarding this article, I know that painstaking effort was put into finding the best sources to cite. It seems that linking to such a suspicious article isn't going to reflect well on this article. Any thoughts? Anonymous September 30 2006 (UTC)
It's just a brief mention on GamePolitics.com, but it says that Thompson claims he's back in court with Neil Rogers, and just recently attended a hearing. Can anyone with access to court documents in Florida verify this? 139.142.43.31 17:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Let's remove all his pictures. If people don't know what he looks like he'll stop molesting the rest of the world because his ego won't be able to deal with being unknown.
Just a proposal.
Washington Post Miami Herald Jabrwock 17:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I know it's just a web journal, but it's a heads up to keep an eye out for the proper news sources. The judge ruled that Bully is ok for teens, told JT to shush (JT insisted HE had to be able to play the game), and said JT could appeal if he wanted to, which JT declined. Jabrwock 18:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Their is a file dump of Jacks documents including his (expected) reaction to the NRO being denied at game Politics:I beleive the letter to the Judge is the Most entertaining. Also my reaction to the verdict w0000t!!
Seeing as how he actually went through with filing the public nuisance suit, shouldn't this be under litigation? Jabrwock 18:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
This page is >64KB. Recommending Archive12. --32.60.78.135 06:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I am new to this but is it worth notingf that following his tirades against the sims 2 several memebrs of the online modding community emailed him explaining the nature of the game and the fact that nay nudity was not photorealistic. They recieved rude responses (if any) one of which said "I refuse to be intimidated by a group of gaming thugs" and antoher one of which threatened to sue the sender, despite the fact that the sent email was not in any way rude or threatening.
Bias? Are you kidding me? CUT IT WITH THE SUBJECTIVISM!!!
Its about time someone stood up and fought back against this idiot's slander, libel, harassment, and flat out LIES!!
^^True, but it's worthy of being added to the article http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11370
"If this court in any fashion proceeds toward issuing a show cause order, given its utter baselessness and the bad faith goo in which it slithers, then Thompson will add whatever judge should do so as a defendant in the aforementioned federal civil rights action," he said, referring to the case he brought to halt Bully's sale. (Emphasis in the original.) "Plaintiff has seen arbitrariness from judges before in his thirty years of practicing law, but nothing close to this. If the federal judiciary must restrain this Court and punish it, then so be it." SirFozzie 05:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, GameSpot isn't considered a reputable source either. The way I see it, if anything actually happens, it'll certainly be covered by at least one newspaper, and if nothing happens, it isn't notable enough to mention. At this point, all the sources are quoting GamePolitics.com; I think we can safely wait until Wednesday and see if anything actually occurs. --Maxamegalon2000 05:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)