In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing is currently an Albums good article nominee. Nominated by SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) at 21:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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A fact from In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a song from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, written in response to the cancer diagnosis of singer Mark Foster's uncle, was played for him before his death?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing.

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Foster the People's EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing was recorded remotely during the COVID-19 pandemic, with the band's members sharing files via Dropbox?
Source:
- American Songwriter Quote: "The Grammy-nominated group’s forthcoming, six-song EP [...] was recorded musician-by-musician during quarantine"
- Variety interview "Basically, we set up a band Dropbox. We would send the session around and everybody would put [...] their mark on it."
- ALT1: ... that Foster the People's EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing was recorded remotely during the COVID-19 pandemic? Source: American Songwriter Quote: "The Grammy-nominated group’s forthcoming, six-song EP [...] was recorded musician-by-musician during quarantine"
- ALT2: ... that the song "Lamb's Wool" from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which is about Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was able to be played for him prior to his death? Source: Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
- ALT3: ... that a song from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, which was written in response to Foster the People singer Mark Foster's uncle's cancer diagnosis, was finished and played for him before his death? Source: Ladygunn "He describes the mood of the song as tangible and that when his uncle’s cancer diagnosis came, the lyrics naturally did too. [...] The beauty in the piece is that Mark was able to play the finished song for his uncle before he passed."
- Comment: I'm not completely sure whether or not you are allowed to include two sources for one hook. I added a second hook with only the key information and one source just in case.

Created by SupremeLordBagel (talk).

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SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 09:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

It's allowed, although if you really do need both I recommend making it clear what comes from what.--Laun chba ller 14:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting article about an EP (I had to look up what that is) with a title that attracted me, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I was a bit disappointed never to have the title explained, nor the interesting cover art. - Of the hooks, I prefer ALT2 as more emotional, so will discuss that. The EP title is long, - do we really need the song title also, vs. simply "a song"? Do you expect people to know who Mark Foster is, or might we add "lead singer" or band member, perhaps with a piped link to the band? Having read the article, I know now that only the text was inspired by the cancer diagnosis, and "which is about" may be a bit to colloquial, no? How about "written in response to". "was able to be played for him" sounds needlessly complicated. So please reword ALT2 and I'll check again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Thank you for your feedback! I've added a third alternative hook with the changes you've suggested. Does it look good to you? (Please note I may be late to reply to your feedback, due to school.) SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 20:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I like it better! I'm not yet happy with the double possessive. It may be a silly question: Do you think the name of the band matters, I mean makes it more interesting? If not, could we shorten it to

ALT3a: ... that one song from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, written in response to the cancer diagnosis of singer Mark Foster's uncle, could be played for him before his death?

I approve both ALT3 and ALT3a but am open to better wording. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's definitely better - I was thinking ALT3 was just a little long! I've made a few tiny wording edits, but otherwise I think it's good.

ALT3b: ... that a song from the EP In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing, written in response to the cancer diagnosis of singer Mark Foster's uncle, could be played for him before his death?

Thanks, SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 22:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry about my leftover for uncle ;) - the reason why I used "one" was that I tried to clarify that not the whole album was written in response - perhaps you have a better idea - English is not my first language. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that saying "a song" makes it clear enough that it's only referring to a single song (that being "Lamb's Wool"). It's also a little shorter than "one song", so I think that it will work.

Thanks, SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 01:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Do you think the nomination is ready, or is there anything else that could be improved? SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 22:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was already marked ready by the green icon, but I can repeat it for clarity. ALT3b preferred. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This review is transcluded from Talk:In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: SupremeLordBagel (talk · contribs) 21:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: The Sharpest Lives (talk · contribs) 03:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! It's me again. I'm excited to be working with you again – this time as a part of the GA Review Circles! I'll get started on the process soon. The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 14:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm doing a check for inline citations, and the article looks excellent so far! Also, there is clearly no edit warring so I'll check that off. I did a copy vio check and there are no copyright violations detected- so I'll check that off too. The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I've taken so long to keep you updated. I have been busy. I'll try to review this ASAP. I must say, it is well-written. The tone is neutral, the sections are adequate length and keep on-topic. It's overall an interesting read! I don't think I knew anything about FtP except for "Pumped Up Kicks", so it's cool to hear about their writing process and inspiration. Anyways, time to do that source spot-check I said I'd do. The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 23:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements

Album cover rationale: The non-free use rationale for the album cover could be improved. I'll go ahead and do it to show you an example. Next time use ((Non-free use rationale album cover)) The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 14:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done - notice how little you need to type in this template! The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 14:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reception template I'm checking through the reviews, and it looks like only one ( The Daily Californian) provides a score (2/5). You should put this in a ((music ratings)) template. The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 16:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 08:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing: sources from the band are ok, per WP:SELFSOURCE, (see also WP:PRIMARY), so long as the article is not mostly based on these sources. 8/30 references are from insta/facebook/reddit, which is hardly "mostly", but you still need to be careful. On top of that, there are 2 YouTube videos cited. Not that this is a problem, I just need to double check on what the other sources say and if they are reliable too. The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 23:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SupremeLordBagel Apologies for the wait, I have been very busy and I hope this is of no inconvenience to you. I would like to say: the article looks excelent to me, but I am unsure whether it qualifies as a good article per the criteria. I am going to request a second opinion for feedback. Again, apologies for the wait and we'll see where this goes. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 21:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer checklist

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Second opinion from IanTEB

(this is my first time delivering a second opinion so I apologize if anything is weird). Since the original reviewer hasn't given a specific issue to check for, I'll look over the article and give any comments I have.

Background and development

I would try to paraphrase more in the first paragraph; I can give specific pointers if you would like
"Of the split, Foster said" - I would change Foster to "frontman Mark Foster"
I think the second paragraph is very good!

Release and promotion

These sections should be placed after composition
I would specify the exact release date within "The EP was released the following month"
I would also specify that the Wiltern Theatre shows were in December

Composition and songs

Link Julia Garner
"when Isom Innis" - "when keyboardist Isom Innis"
Link trip-hop

Critical reception

The Daily Californian should be italicized in the Music ratings template

Lead and infobox

The release sentence should be moved to right after the first sentence.
Assuming that at least a few sources in the body use the abbreviation, citations aren't required for In the Darkest of Nights. If no secondary source uses it, I would remove it
This lead should be expanded; there's no content about the title/artwork or critical reception, despite both having sections in the body
The lead says that multiple songs revolve around Foster and his wife, but the body only mentions one such track
"It produced three singles" is maybe a bit inaccurate since they were are released before the EP. Maybe "it was promoted with three singles" is better?
Mark Pontius should be mentioned in the body

This is a very surface-level opinion, but if all is fixed I think the reviewer should be able to make a decision on the article. I would like to ask, though, was a spotcheck performed? If not, I would advise doing so; just checking around three sources per section is usually enough for GA. IanTEB (talk) 10:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]