Former good articleHistory of the West Indies cricket team was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 3, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
November 7, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
February 10, 2006Good article nomineeListed
September 21, 2007Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Collaboration of the fortnight

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Comments made during nomination for COTF status were:

  1. Support Probably the team pages that is closest to FA status, jguk 12:19, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support At this stage, I think we should only do the really big topics. Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 15:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hesitant There is a lot of rework to be done. The list of the batsmen and bowlers and summary of decades need a lot of beefing up - too many numbers and not enough data Tintin1107 18:20, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support -- the tour events have to be delinked from the page.  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 19:16, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Suggestions

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This can do with a lot of beefing up.

1. The 'notable cricketers' include just statistics and they are not always relevant (see for instance, Lawrence Rowe and Frank Worrell)

2. The decades also could do with more descriptive stuff.

3. A general outline of WI cricket history, which could be part of 'decades' or a seperate section. I am not very clear about what this could be. Highlights could be the events that preceded Worrell's selection as the captain, Lloyd's team, all the mess that has happened in the last 10 years etc. Tintin 10:13, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some re-ordering, and also expanded the "early tours" section. I myself am not looking at the Intro and Overview bits yet until the rest is tidied up/written.
I think the article should mostly be chronological, and I don't think it should cover junior or women's teams (at least not other than in passing). We can have a separate article on those, if there's demand for them.
I've moved the "important dates" and "notable players" sections to the end - mostly for reference as I envisage these being removed as the relevant bits get written into the chronology. And I don't envisage including references to all of those players in this article either! jguk 13:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Early tours

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--> NEED EVIDENCE FOR THIS In 1900 Arthur Austin led a touring side to England, but none of these matches was first-class <--

Aucher Warner - brother of PF. Short of books at the moment, so have to rely on the net :

Cozier : The first representative West Indies team to England toured in 1900 under the captaincy of Aucher Warner.

[1] I don't know about this book but this passage is borrowed/copied from CLR James' Beyond a boundary. Jessop scored 157 in one hour !

Constantines : Lebrun's career was an inspiration to his son. At the turn of the century (1900) Lebrun, by public subscription, went on the first West Indies tour of England and scored the first West Indian century at Lords of 113. Tintin 14:01, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jguk, the 1900 captain was Aucher Warner - not Austin Tintin 16:54, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

flag

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added Image:West Indies Cricket Board Flag.jpg to infobox. Original image was Image:West Indies Cricket Board Flag.png but I didn't know how to link to that as the infobox expects a jpg file. Perhaps a clever person can fix. - Iantalk 03:00, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get a maroon flag and not a RED one


Important dates in the history of West Indian cricket

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The 1930s

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Test tours

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West Indies had their first test tour of Australia in 1930. They also toured England twice during the 1930s. They played 19 tests, most of them against England, winning 4 and losing 9. Most of the test matches had 6-ball overs but 3 of them had 8-ball overs. The test matches played had different formats (3 day, 4 day, 5 day, timeless).

West Indian captains

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Most of the matches were captained by G C Grant.

List of top West Indian runscorers in the 1930s

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  1. George Headley 2135

List of top West Indian wickettakers of the 1930s

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  1. L N Constantine 53

The 1940s

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Test tours

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The 1940s were affected by World War II. In 1948, West Indies toured newly independent India for the first time for a 5 test tour. The tour was preceded by a non-test tour of Pakistan and followed by a similar short tour of Ceylon. West Indies did not lose any of the 9 test matches it played in this decade.

West Indian captains

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Most of the matches were captained by JDC Goddard under whose captaincy the West Indies won 3 test matches.

List of top West Indian runscorers in the 1940s

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  1. Everton deWeekes 1072 at an average of 82.46
  2. Clyde Walcott 585

List of top West Indian wickettakers in the 1940s

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  1. W Ferguson 33

The 1950s

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Test tours

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During the 1950s, West Indies toured England and New Zealand twice and Australia, India and Pakistan once each. West Indies played a total of 48 test matches in this decade, winning 18 and losing 17. It won just 1 of the 10 test matches it played against Australia, losing 7 of them. Thus, Australia was the only test side against whom they had a poor record. Both their batting and bowling failed to click against Australia in this decade. 1957 was an especially bad year when they could not win a single test match which they made up for in 1958 by winning 5 test matches. These were the days when the side winning the toss used to bat 90% of the time. Most of the matches had 6-ball overs and were either 5 or 6-day matches with 6 of them being 4-day matches.

West Indian captains

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List of top West Indian runscorers in the 1950s

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  1. Clyde Walcott 3,129 runs at an average of 61.35 with 13 centuries and 11 fifties
  2. Everton deWeekes 3,383 runs at an average of 54 with 10 centuries and 17 fifties
  3. Frank Worrell 2,397 runs at an average of 48
  4. Sir Garfield Sobers 2,213 runs at an average of 56.74
  5. JB Stollmeyer 1,520 runs at an average of 40
  6. Rohan Kanhai 1,317 runs at an average of 44

The 1960s

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Test tours

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In the 1960s, the West Indies-England test series came to be known as the Wisden Trophy after John Wisden and the West Indies-Australia test series came to be known as the Frank Worrell Trophy. West Indies toured England thrice in this decade, Australia twice and India and New Zealand once each. West Indies played 49 test matches in this decade winning 18, losing 13. Only 3 of the test matches were against New Zealand compared to 23 against England. It did not lose a single of the 8 test matches against India. The matches were a mixture of 6-ball overs and 8-ball overs. Most of them were 5 or 6-day matches with only 3 of them being 4-day matches.

West Indian captains

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Most of the test matches in this decade were captained by Sir Gary Sobers. Some of them were also captained by Frank Worrell.

List of top West Indian runscorers in the 1960s

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  1. Sir Garfield Sobers 4,563 runs at an average of 60 with 15 centuries
  2. Rohan Kahnai 3,739 runs at an average of 50 with 10 centuries
  3. Nurse 2,523 runs at an average of 48

List of top West Indian wickettakers in the 1960s

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  1. Lance Gibbs 184
  2. W W Hall 146
  3. Griffith 94

The 1970s

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Test tours

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During the 70s, West Indies toured England, Australia and India twice and Pakistan once. The West Indies played 63 test matches in this decade, winning 18 and losing 15. It was only against Australia that they lost more test matches than they won. Most of the test matches they played in this decade had 6 ball overs while 8 of them had 8 ball overs. Most of the test matches were 5-day tests whereas only 5 of them were 6-day test matches.

West Indian captains

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  1. Gary Sobers
  2. Rohan Kanhai
  3. Clive Lloyd
  4. Alvin Kallicharran

List of top West Indian runscorers in the 1970s

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  1. Alvin Kallicharran 3956 at an average of 49.45
  2. Roy Fredericks 3809 at an average of 46
  3. Clive Lloyd 3475 at an average of 46
  4. Vivian Richards 2736 at an average of 58
  5. Lawrence Rowe 1785 at an average of 46
  6. Gordon Greenidge 1732 at an average of 47
  7. Gary Sobers 1256 at an average of 52.33
  8. Rohan Kanhai 1171 at an average of 45
  9. C A Davis 1065 at an average of 66.56

List of top West Indian wickettakers in the 1970s

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  1. Andy Roberts 140 wickets at an average of 25.15 taking 5 wickets in an innings 9 times
  2. Michael Holding 65 wickets at an average of 24.55
  3. Colin Croft 52 wickets at an average of 21.53

The 1980s

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The 1980s were the golden period for the West Indies cricket team when they dominated world cricket. The West Indies toured Australia 4 times in the 1980s, England thrice, New Zealand twice and Pakistan and India once each. They played 82 Test matches winning 43 of them and losing just 8. They did not lose any of the 24 Test matches they played against England and lost just 1 out of 19 Test matches they played against India. They even dominated Australia in this decade although they won just 1 out of 6 Test matches they played in New Zealand. As many as 52 of the 82 Test matches they played in this decade were on foreign soil. They also lost just 1 out of the 30 Test matches they played at home. 1984 was a particularly good year when they won 11 Test matches and lost just 1.

The great West Indian captains of this decade were Clive Lloyd and Vivian Richards both of whom had an outstanding record. They were the only 2 captains to have won over 20 Test matches in the 1980s and were far ahead of the competition.

List of top West Indian runscorers in the 1980s
  1. Vivian Richards 5,113 at an average of 49 with 15 centuries
  2. Gordon Greenidge 5,103 at an average of 46 with 12 centuries
  3. Desmond Haynes 5,083 runs at an average of 41.32 with 12 centuries
  4. Richie Richardson 3,320 runs at an average of 48 with 10 centuries
  5. Jeff Dujon 2,884 runs at an average of 36 with 6 centuries
  6. Clive Lloyd 2,881 runs at an average of 52 with 8 centuries
  7. Larry Gomes 2,490 runs at an average of 41 with 7 centuries
List of top West Indian wickettakers in the 1980s
  1. Malcolm Marshall 323 wickets at an average of 19.91
  2. Joel Garner 210 wickets at an average of 20.62
  3. Michael Holding 184 wickets at an average of 23.38
  4. Courtney Walsh 122 wickets at an average of 24.24
  5. Colin Croft 73 wickets at an average of 24.56

The 1990s

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The 1990s were also good for the West Indies but they did not continue the dominance of world cricket that they had in the 1980s. In the 90s, they toured England, Australia, New Zealand and Pakistan twice and India, Sri Lanka and South Africa once. They played 81 Test matches winning 30 and losing 28. While their home record was still good, their away performance waned.

Courtney Walsh did not enjoy the same success as captain as Richie Richardson did. Brian Lara's performance as captain was even worse. As the decade progressed key players such as Ambrose and Walsh were not adequately replaced and it became clear that the West Indies of the 1980s were a thing of the past.

In May 2003, they won a Test match against Australia at St. John's scoring a world record 418 runs in the 4th innings breaking a 27-year-old record of India who had scored 406 runs in the 4th innings to win a match incidentally against the West Indies. It was only the third time in the history of Test cricket that over 400 runs had been scored in the 4th innings to win a match. As of 2004, they are one of only 3 Test playing nations to have played over 400 Test matches, the others being Australia and England.

Notable players

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Notable West Indian batsmen include

Notable West Indian bowlers include:

Notable West Indian wicketkeepers include

Rebels to South Africa

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WICB banned the players for life (which was later revoked), and some were refused entry back home.

Some boards banned the players for life. Guyana definitely refused entry for Kallicharran. But the generic statement above is not accurate. Don't have a source to look up the exact details at the moment. Tintin 14:59, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They certainly would have been banned by the WICB for life - though I admit I don't know about what the local island associations did, jguk 15:39, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

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I was asked to look at the article by Tintin, and already I have to correct many NPOV violations. The style in which this article is wrote at times is unencyclopedic and is biased, and quite colloquial. There is room for improvement certainly.--Knucmo2 22:30, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Hugo

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N. B.

Please note that the reference to Hurricane Hugo on this page: [2]

under the sub-head "Fall From The Top" appears to be erroneous. I do not know which hurricane is actually referred to as there are so many storms each year, but it certainly was not Hugo as that storm was in 1989

Sgd.

Chesil Hamilton Box 557, New Road, St. Kitts, West Indies


Copied from the article space to this page: Posted by 201.220.0.75. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:59, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Changed article to Hurricane Ivan which badly damaged Queen's Park in 2004. -- Iantalk 15:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In use

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I intend to rework this article into two decent articles over the weekend. I'd be grateful for people's patience and ask them not to put through amendments until I remove the "in use" marker tomorrow. Many thanks, jguk 20:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

At the rate I'm going, it'll be in use all this week. If anyone wants to make a significant edit in the meantime, please let me know - but I'd appreciate the extra time, jguk 20:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I didn't see the notice in time and made a minor edit (as CricketBot). Hope that doesn't cause trouble. Stephen Turner (Talk) 13:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

GA removed

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As part of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Good_articles/Project_quality_task_force/Sweeps, I am in the process of going through the GA cricket articles and checking them for quality. At the moment, I don't think the article is in conformity with current GA standards. The main issues are

Unfortunately the main author Jguk is no longer with us and this article has had little improvement in those two years, so I have delisted it, but if anyone wants to fix it up they can simply tap me on teh shoulder again. (Instead of waiting a long time in the WP:GAC queue). Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Cite errors

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I've converted the depracated Template:Ref label system to use ref tags. This has introduced a bunch of cite errors (mismached ref names where refs are invoked but not defined). I want to emphasize that I've introduced no errors that were not in the original text, but my edits have merely made them visible.

While I could fix a few cite errors, some 20 of them remain in the article. They are due to user Jguk (who has retired since 2007) adding content with ref names but no refs in 2005. Perhaps they intended to get back to it, but they never did. Consequentially, most citations from Worrell retired at the end of the series.<ref name="Worrell retires as captain" /> are broken. We're all left wondering what ref Jguk had in mind for the ref name "Worrell retires as captain", and others.

The three solutions are: 1) leave the errors in place, 2) replace the erroneous ref names with ((citation needed)) (since we could infer that Jguk thought these claims need citations and these sources exist), or 3) hide the erroneous ref names as WP:HIDDEN text (since it could also be argued that no one has asked for these citations, see WP:MINREF). – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 12:58, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for cleanup up the references! There's so much material on Wikipedia that's marginally referenced, and I think finxing or exposing it is very important to maintain trust in the material.
To that end, #3 is a non-starter. Hiding unreferenced material just won't work. We can replace the bad references with fact tags as #2, but I doubt they'd ever be fixed. It looks like the errors are all in the second half of the section named "A period of mixed fortunes (1960s)". Why not just delete this content? It's unreferenced and therefore OR, and the article is still pretty strong without it. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:53, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone and done that deletion to remove two paragraphs and a couple more sentences. The section abruptly ends now, but there are no errors and no unverifiable facts. What do you think? -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:07, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]